President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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boognish_bear
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Danielsjackson114
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So tired of Joe Kent

He's like Massie, got booted out of the spotlight, and now trying to stay relevant
Realitybites
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boognish_bear said:



Trump is being presented with a binary choice:
cut a deal or escalate the war.

At this point, the reality we are in based on the conditions we have allowed means that either way, Trump will be criticized for cutting a worse deal than Obama's or will be forced further into a war worse than Bush's.

But we have a third option, no deal required: just declare victory and walk away.

Until Israel is restrained, they will drag us back into war just like they did after Operation Midnight Hammer. Unless we reset the conditions on our terms, we will ultimately suffer an endless cycle of conflict at the behest of Israel.

Trump should reject the Obama/Bush binary and handle this his waywalk away, pull our troops out, cut aid to Israel, say he won, & quietly deal with the Iranians moving forward.

This way, Iran loses its incentive to choke the SOH, freeing up oil commerce & avoiding an escalation into a war no one wants and which we can't afford.

Persia is an ancient and formidable geographic realitywe must deal with them as such.


He's right.

Simple facts:

(1) We can't beat Iran solely with an Air War.

(2) We can't beat a country 6x the size of Iraq with 4x the population with the geography of Afghanistan with our army (which is half the size of the one that invaded Iraq).

That's reality.

Sunday update:


  • White House still suggesting an electronic MoU deal to be signed with Iran on Sunday, which leaves nuclear negotiations to further date, only with commitment that Iran not pursue a nuke.
  • Trump: new strikes on Beirut's southern suburbs "should not have happened" and given it was on "a special day when we are so close to a Peace Deal with Iran.
  • "A draft of the US-Iran memorandum of understanding included diluting highly enriched uranium within Iran & the release of $25b of Iran's frozen assets" (Reuters).
  • Iranian statements characteristically cautious: Fars News Agency reported earlier that Iran has not made a final call on a potential MOU with the U.S. Iranian authorities are still reviewing the political, legal, and technical details.
The_barBEARian
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Danielsjackson114 said:

So tired of Joe Kent

He's like Massie, got booted out of the spotlight, and now trying to stay relevant

If you are tired of Joe Kent, you are welcome to move to Israel!
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Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Trump is being presented with a binary choice:
cut a deal or escalate the war.

At this point, the reality we are in based on the conditions we have allowed means that either way, Trump will be criticized for cutting a worse deal than Obama's or will be forced further into a war worse than Bush's.

But we have a third option, no deal required: just declare victory and walk away.

Until Israel is restrained, they will drag us back into war just like they did after Operation Midnight Hammer. Unless we reset the conditions on our terms, we will ultimately suffer an endless cycle of conflict at the behest of Israel.

Trump should reject the Obama/Bush binary and handle this his waywalk away, pull our troops out, cut aid to Israel, say he won, & quietly deal with the Iranians moving forward.

This way, Iran loses its incentive to choke the SOH, freeing up oil commerce & avoiding an escalation into a war no one wants and which we can't afford.

Persia is an ancient and formidable geographic realitywe must deal with them as such.


He's right.

Simple facts:

(1) We can't beat Iran solely with an Air War.

(2) We can't beat a country 6x the size of Iraq with 4x the population with the geography of Afghanistan with our army (which is half the size of the one that invaded Iraq).

That's reality.

Sunday update:


  • White House still suggesting an electronic MoU deal to be signed with Iran on Sunday, which leaves nuclear negotiations to further date, only with commitment that Iran not pursue a nuke.
  • Trump: new strikes on Beirut's southern suburbs "should not have happened" and given it was on "a special day when we are so close to a Peace Deal with Iran.
  • "A draft of the US-Iran memorandum of understanding included diluting highly enriched uranium within Iran & the release of $25b of Iran's frozen assets" (Reuters).
  • Iranian statements characteristically cautious: Fars News Agency reported earlier that Iran has not made a final call on a potential MOU with the U.S. Iranian authorities are still reviewing the political, legal, and technical details.



I'm skeptical that anything gets signed today. Hope I am wrong, this conflict needs to end and is a net neutral at best from here on as far as the Inited States is concerned.

I suspect any announcement that the MOU is dead will not come until late Tuesday or Wednesday after SpaceX options go live.
Danielsjackson114
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He's a Thomas Massie 2.0

Always shouting about something
Mitch Blood Green
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Danielsjackson114 said:

Almost 5 decades of aggression doesnt warrant a reset of some kind? Really?

Mitch bleeds blue still living in his liberal DEI fantasy world where Biden is king forever


Aggression by who?

We attacked Iran. Period. Our intelligence (American) said they posed no threat.

We overthrew their democratically elected government. Installed the Shaw. At what point do we have some accountability?
Danielsjackson114
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Gotta love an armchair military strategist as yourself
Oldbear83
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You can't argue your way out of the fact that you are cheering against the United States.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83
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LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.
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Danielsjackson114
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It's hard reasoning with a liberal nut job
Mitch Blood Green
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Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"
Oldbear83
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
The_barBEARian
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Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


You can not support a country while also not starting a war with them... a very esoteric concept for the Boomer mind.

Oldbear83
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


You can not support a country while also not starting a war with them... a very esoteric concept for the Boomer mind.



Just your excuse to spit on the flag, and the men who serve it.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Mitch Blood Green
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Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


Mullah John for sure said that.
Oldbear83
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


Mullah John for sure said that.

Not even a bad joke, that.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
The_barBEARian
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Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


You can not support a country while also not starting a war with them... a very esoteric concept for the Boomer mind.



Just your excuse to spit on the flag, and the men who serve it.


Like you spit on the survivors of the USS Liberty?

Shut your mouth you old *****.
Oldbear83
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Oldbear83 said:

LeftLeftMitch: " This isn't 1942. We were right in 1942. This is 2026"

So you support Iran's mullahs.

Noted.


Mullahs? No. Our kids in the military? Yes.

Mullahs and I have an agreement. I don't **** with them. They don't **** with me.

My favorite Mullah quote is "Don't start none. Won't be none!"

Mullahs never said that. Not in 1979, and not now.

But they have been '****ing' with the US since 1979.

Some of you just ignore that part.


You can not support a country while also not starting a war with them... a very esoteric concept for the Boomer mind.



Just your excuse to spit on the flag, and the men who serve it.


Like you spit on the survivors of the USS Liberty?

Shut your mouth you old *****.

Your lies are as weak as your arguments.

And just because you hear that last line all the time in no way qualifies you to use it here.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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