President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:07a, 7/19/26
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Crazy work from a country we have defeated militarily 10+ times since April.

Must be buying missiles from someone else. Whiterock assured us we had decimated their ballistic capabilities.

Not only that, but the rest of the world has no choice but to do what we want them to do. We can do anything to them and they wouldn't go against us.

So, it is impossible that somebody is selling them missiles. So, it can't be that. Must be fake news.

It's not quite that bad. If Iran had not shot at tankers, we would totally be the bad guys, using might makes right principles to bully Iran into submission. But they have threatened the world economy, and unlike when we do it with tariffs, they don't havd the clout to get away with it.

So while the rhetoric is largely anti US, the international community has little issue with bombing the missile capabilities of a terrorist state who is shooting at oil tankers and freight ships.
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In reply to Porteroso • 9:20a, 7/19/26
Porteroso said:
FLBear5630 said:
Porteroso said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:

Crazy work from a country we have defeated militarily 10+ times since April.

Must be buying missiles from someone else. Whiterock assured us we had decimated their ballistic capabilities.

Not only that, but the rest of the world has no choice but to do what we want them to do. We can do anything to them and they wouldn't go against us.

So, it is impossible that somebody is selling them missiles. So, it can't be that. Must be fake news.

It's not quite that bad. If Iran had not shot at tankers, we would totally be the bad guys, using might makes right principles to bully Iran into submission. But they have threatened the world economy, and unlike when we do it with tariffs, they don't havd the clout to get away with it.

So while the rhetoric is largely anti US, the international community has little issue with bombing the missile capabilities of a terrorist state who is shooting at oil tankers and freight ships.

You lost me, the comment was about others supplying Iran and us have said we won the war too many times to count. We were told it is over, they were decimated and it seems they are getting stronger and the missiles more sophisticated.

No one said that bombing Iran's missile capability was wrong or bad. Or that Iran is blameless.

Problem is the only way this ends is occupying and that will cost a lot of American lifes
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:31a, 7/19/26
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Porteroso said:
FLBear5630 said:
Porteroso said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:

Crazy work from a country we have defeated militarily 10+ times since April.

Must be buying missiles from someone else. Whiterock assured us we had decimated their ballistic capabilities.

Not only that, but the rest of the world has no choice but to do what we want them to do. We can do anything to them and they wouldn't go against us.

So, it is impossible that somebody is selling them missiles. So, it can't be that. Must be fake news.

It's not quite that bad. If Iran had not shot at tankers, we would totally be the bad guys, using might makes right principles to bully Iran into submission. But they have threatened the world economy, and unlike when we do it with tariffs, they don't havd the clout to get away with it.

So while the rhetoric is largely anti US, the international community has little issue with bombing the missile capabilities of a terrorist state who is shooting at oil tankers and freight ships.

You lost me, the comment was about others supplying Iran and us have said we won the war too many times to count. We were told it is over, they were decimated and it seems they are getting stronger and the missiles more sophisticated.

No one said that bombing Iran's missile capability was wrong or bad. Or that Iran is blameless.

Problem is the only way this ends is occupying and that will cost a lot of American lifes

I was responding to your "the rest of the world" comment.

I agree we should not occupy, but we should not drag this out either. We have to go for it with the bombings. And figure out how to seriously degrade their ballistic capability, and together with the Gulf states, prevent them from rebuilding a huge missile program. Going it alone whenever Israel asks us to tag along is a horrible idea, but something can be salvaged still.

Different topic, but I am still not sure how Congress is not weighing in. I should google it i guess.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:32a, 7/19/26
FLBear5630 said:
Porteroso said:
FLBear5630 said:
Porteroso said:
303Bear said:
boognish_bear said:

Crazy work from a country we have defeated militarily 10+ times since April.

Must be buying missiles from someone else. Whiterock assured us we had decimated their ballistic capabilities.

Not only that, but the rest of the world has no choice but to do what we want them to do. We can do anything to them and they wouldn't go against us.

So, it is impossible that somebody is selling them missiles. So, it can't be that. Must be fake news.

It's not quite that bad. If Iran had not shot at tankers, we would totally be the bad guys, using might makes right principles to bully Iran into submission. But they have threatened the world economy, and unlike when we do it with tariffs, they don't havd the clout to get away with it.

So while the rhetoric is largely anti US, the international community has little issue with bombing the missile capabilities of a terrorist state who is shooting at oil tankers and freight ships.

You lost me, the comment was about others supplying Iran and us have said we won the war too many times to count. We were told it is over, they were decimated and it seems they are getting stronger and the missiles more sophisticated.

No one said that bombing Iran's missile capability was wrong or bad. Or that Iran is blameless.

Problem is the only way this ends is occupying and that will cost a lot of American lifes


Sometimes governments fall without an occupying force.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 9:39a, 7/19/26
Several questions on that.

How often has that happened?

How often after going to war with them?

And how often has it resulted in a change to a more favorable Administration?


I am struggling to think of one. Every one that I can think of has come from troops on the ground. I guess maybe some small African and South American Nations? Any Nations of consequence?
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11:05a, 7/19/26
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 11:48a, 7/19/26
Ad hominem attacks

You partake in sodomy. What's the difference?
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In reply to Danielsjackson114 • 12:56p, 7/19/26
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Ad hominem attacks

You partake in sodomy. What's the difference?


I give sodomy. You receive sodomy. I'd hate to be you.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 1:37p, 7/19/26
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Danielsjackson114 said:
Ad hominem attacks

You partake in sodomy. What's the difference?


I give sodomy. You receive sodomy. I'd hate to be you.

Male or Female Sodomy? I know which one we'd take. Lil Twink......he will try the other door Vanna.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:02p, 7/19/26
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She does an admirable job covering for a habitual liar. Bothers me that she says defer rather than refer, overuses "with respect to" which is modern lazylingo, but overall, hey, good job.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 2:14p, 7/19/26
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I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.
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2:19p, 7/19/26
Civilians get killed in war. Not on purpose if true
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In reply to chriscbear • 3:43p, 7/19/26
Not a peep from the resident liberals when Obama was reaper droning the fk out of countries and civilians were getting killed
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3:47p, 7/19/26
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

Obama was decimating civilians. Probably best for the liberal clowns on here to let this one slip by
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In reply to J.R. • 3:55p, 7/19/26
Whatever y'all say, fruitcakes
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In reply to Danielsjackson114 • 4:02p, 7/19/26
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Whatever y'all say, fruitcakes

Careful, he may see that a different way and send you flowers for that.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 5:50p, 7/19/26
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Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 6:03p, 7/19/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.


Which presidents are we talking about, now?
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 6:22p, 7/19/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.

Context matters though. And some seem to deliberately ignore that.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 6:51p, 7/19/26
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.

Context matters though. And some seem to deliberately ignore that.


In what context would you put $13T debt increase over 5 years of a presidency?
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 7:24p, 7/19/26
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.

Context matters though. And some seem to deliberately ignore that.


In what context would you put $13T debt increase over 5 years of a presidency?

Consider how much of that is from interest, Congressional adventures, and of course the predecessor.

Presidents have been known to start big expenses and leave them for someone else to pay.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:45p, 7/19/26
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
I love the saying "you are what's on the back of your baseball card)

Trump is proving this to be true. He's. It's a horrible human being (as stated in his cards with the divorces, lies and failure to pay his bills) and a horrible business man/negotiator (see bankruptcies and lawsuits)

The back of a baseball card does not include rumors, gossip, smears and so on.


We could have a good discussion on the effects and success/failure of Trump's polices. Perhaps someone else will agree and this topic could serve a better direction.


There are facts we can discuss. Even though JD Vance sleeps with couches, that's not on Trumps card.

Budgets, deficits, wars, bankruptcies are all provable.

Context matters though. And some seem to deliberately ignore that.


In what context would you put $13T debt increase over 5 years of a presidency?

Consider how much of that is from interest, Congressional adventures, and of course the predecessor.

Presidents have been known to start big expenses and leave them for someone else to pay.


Considered.

Over the last 25 years, Republican administrations offer tax cuts then go to unfunded war. (Or other emergencies) 2008 financial crisis, COVID etc.

Since 1980, we've tried this "trickle down" nonsense. We keep learning that you have to collect taxes if you want to pay your obligations.

Of course, Congress has some responsibility, too. Needless to say, Trump economic policy appear to be kleptocracy.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 7:54p, 7/19/26
Sad to see you locked in on D side thinking.

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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 7:59p, 7/19/26
Trickle down does not work. Rich get richer, poor pay.
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