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People are hungry for tradition and uniformity
Indeed.
Young men need accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority.
Just because a church has leaders that wear costumes, have long bears, worship paintings and statutes, and have a list of criteria necessary for salvation doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
Your silly assumptions are a real crutch for you.
Just because a church has leaders that wear $5k suits, drive g wagons, kneel before worship bands, worship reformers and practice neo-Gnosticism, doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of calvinist evangelicalism.
See how dumb that sounds?
My roommates went to Harris Creek while I was a student at Baylor. I tagged along a few times… it's exactly what you described
JP (the pastor) frequently wore designer clothing with luxury watches. I can count at least three times where he incorporated the construction of his second home into sermons. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but I can't get an honest read on him.
JP is a personal friend. He doesn't have designer clothes, nor a huge house. I've been there a number of times.
He is a gifted preacher who has led man college-aged kids to Christ.
Ah, that explains the rampant heretical takes
If I've said anything heretical, you certainly haven't been able to refute it, that is for sure, given your rudimentary understanding of scripture.
My church is 2000 years old, your pastor wears Travis Scott Nike sneakers… I'll take my chances with mine
Your leader wears gold jewelry and lives in a Billion+ dollar castle. Very Christ relatable…
Yup! Pope Leo walked into the local jewelry shop and bought himself some nice jewelry to stunt on the poors.
Surely they're not timeless ceremonial pieces that have been worn for centuries?
Ah, well in that case such decadent opulence is OK then. Engaging in a practice for centuries is certainly the standard by which we judge whether the practice is rider moral.
Yeah man believe it or not, the largest Church in the world needs a lot of money to operate. When you're 2000 years old, you accumulate lots of priceless artifacts and donations… Shall we liquidate it all and give it away? Doesn't sound like a good strategy for long term success to me…
Funny enough, the Mormon church is believed to have significantly more liquid assets than the Catholic church, most of the Catholics assets are priceless buildings and art pieces that cannot be liquidated. We also operate on a multi-million dollar deficit each year while being the largest non-government provider of education and medical services in the world.
Your little buddy over there is living lavishly, google says he has a net worth between $2-$5 million. Harris Creek itself has WAY more money per member than the Catholic Church
Unwittingly, you've made a really good argument for why one shouldn't be Catholic, or at the very least a part of a large, opulent and corrupt religious organization that enriches itself off of its partitioners, and displays that wealth in really decadent and grotesque ways. You complain about the clothing of a guy who has helped lead revival across college campuses because of his purported net worth, but simply ignore the ornate jewelry and opulence of the church you attend, merely casting it off as a product of the organization's age. How convenient, ironic and tone deaf.
For the record, JP's wealth - if you can actually call it that - is from his book sales. The guy has authored several books which have been NYT best sellers on the list of top religious book lists. He's not making that money off of the church, and in fact, actually gave back his salary for a few years to assist with church growth. Last time I checked, he hadn't been accused of rampant sexual abuse and corruption, like the church you attend.
Enriches itself? My Church is a non profit institution that relies on tourism and donations to sustain itself and its services. The Sistine Chapel, Notre Dame Cathedral, countless relics spread throughout the world… is that grotesque to you?
You say I complain about a man who has led a revival across college campuses, I say you complain about a global institution who has converted billions of souls to Christ and has invested an astronomical amount of resources into charity.
I don't really care what JP wears… in fact you brought up clothing/appearance first when you mocked Orthodox priests for wearing beards and ceremonial attire. My comment regarding JPs clothing was more of a jab regarding the validity of our respective churches, as I think it's weird for a Pastor to wear $1000 sneakers designed by a known Satanic Rapper. Talk about tone deaf…
The Catholic Church consists of well over a billion people, yes shocker, there are a few bad apples among the bunch. However no church I have ever attended has had a priest involved in scandal. Harris Creek had an employee caught distributing CP a year ago, I remember another scandal back in college where one of the pastors got caught in an affair with a younger girl. No church is immune to scandal and corruption, so I don't know why you people only criticize our Church for it while ignoring the skeletons in your own closet.
Sic 'em Bears and Go Birds
