Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Yeah sorry. Your woke bs doesn't work here

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Neither does logic or facts, so it is in good company.

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Skin color aside, casting Achilles as a stick thin transgender person seems weird, doesn't it?

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So did casting a black George Washington in Hamilton. It worked. Maybe this will and maybe it won't.

Artists should see things differently, otherwise lets just watch documentaries. I am not going to pre-judge this one as a problem because Christopher Nolan is good at making movies.

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I'm going to try to have an open mind and likely watch it when it is available on one of the services (not at the movies). If I cant get past a small person beating up massive dudes I'll change the channel.

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Achilles is dead by the time of the Odyssey, so if he appears I'm guessing it will be in the underworld. It could be they're portraying him as a much diminished version of his former self.

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If so it's still a stupid take on the story

In both the Odyssey and the Divine Comedy…Achilles is encountered in the underworld by the protagonist.

And in both he is remorseful over a life thrown away and spent on sin.

Wrath in the Odyssey. And sexual lust in the Divine comedy

But he is still shown to be a powerful masculine figure…even in death…not a deformed freakish one.

He is tormented by regret

[Achilles' Despair: When Odysseus tries to praise Achilles by saying he is still a powerful king among the dead, Achilles responds bitterly, famously stating, "I would rather be a slave on earth for another man-some dirt poor tenant farmer who scrapes to keep alive- than rule down here over all the breathless dead".] ,Book 11 of the Odyssey

[Seeing them, I asked Virgil: "My teacher, who are those souls punished in this awful wind?"

"Ah!" he answered right away, "you most likely know the story of the first one up there. She was an empress over a vast kingdom of many different cultures. But she was so corrupted with every kind of lust…The one next to her is Dido, queen of Carthage, who killed herself for love of Aeneas and thus broke faith…Next is Cleopatra in love with men's lust!

And there's Helen of Troy. That woman caused years of war and woe!

Ah, and there's Troy's greatest warrior, Achilles, who, like the others, lost his life for love. And near him is Paris, who stole Helen and thus started the Trojan War…"

He kept going, naming more than a thousand and telling me how love had cut them off from life. When he had finished naming all these famous ancient souls, I was left dazed with pity and confused.] ,Canto 5

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I wouldn't call it stupid until I see what Nolan does with it. Achilles is still a kind of lord in the underworld, but he has no real power. That's why he says he'd rather be alive and a slave than rule over the lifeless dead.

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A fallen super masculine war hero in the after life regretting spending his earthly life seeking revenge/fame/lust

Still not seeing how that works to have that character played by a transsexual actor born a woman who is 5'1 and like 125lbs

At one point Ellen page was actually only 84 pounds

Does not sound much like someone who could play one of the great Rambo types of the Bronze Age world.

[his 2023 memoir, Pageboy, Page shared that there were periods in his life where his weight fluctuated significantly, noting that it dropped to 84 pounds during one especially difficult period in his youth.]

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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The Lowry crowd is so insistent on virtue signaling that they refuse to accept the two biggest points:

1) in a world where cinemas are dying, films need to give people reasons to attend the not reasons to avoid it.

2) the distributor knows they have a huge problem and that is why the marketing campaign is "Christopher Nolan shot the entire film in IMAX (not digital)" and avoiding talk of the stars in the film (the typical focus of any film marketing).

The overseas box office is also being put in peril.

The Lowry crowd feels like they win either way…….film succeeds, they told us and the world accepts the DEI narrative. Film flops and it is due to the Right and its evil ways.
They see everything in life only through a political lens.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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The Lowry crowd is so insistent on virtue signaling that they refuse to accept the two biggest points:

1) in a world where cinemas are dying, films need to give people reasons to attend the not reasons to avoid it.

2) the distributor knows they have a huge problem and that is why the marketing campaign is "Christopher Nolan shot the entire film in IMAX (not digital)" and avoiding talk of the stars in the film (the typical focus of any film marketing).

The overseas box office is also being put in peril.

The Lowry crowd feels like they win either way…….film succeeds, they told us and the world accepts the DEI narrative. Film flops and it is due to the Right and its evil ways.
They see everything in life only through a political lens.

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Exactly.

If Helen of Troy was historically a black woman played by a white woman, the animals of BLM would be looting and rioting

And it wouldn't be called DEI, but racist

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Well in Greek mythology Helen of Troy was also the most beautiful woman that ever existed. At least try to be real.


More realistic!

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yes, this one has the right look about her..

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Lolita Nyong'o.

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"Surely this time the culture without written records about which we have ~zero evidence will turn out to be peaceful and egalitarian" - archaeologists and anthropologists. https://t.co/MGiifvPQCd

— arctotherium (@arctotherium42) May 24, 2026

Harrison Bergeron said:

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The silly virtue signaling is silly. The forced fake diversity quotas are divisive. Hollywood has become a community college catalog.

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The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Well in the EU and USA white people are fact the majority

Are we supposed to accept the idea that Han should not be centered in China or ethnic Japanese centered in Japan?

If you moved to Nigeria would it be reasonable for you to be resentful that Black people are centered in a Black majority nation?

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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I love the old Ten Commandments movie. It's a product of its time, like all art, but that doesn't diminish it for me. We're in a somewhat different time with somewhat different issues. Movies like the Odyssey are one way that artists address that.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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I love the old Ten Commandments movie. It's a product of its time, like all art, but that doesn't diminish it for me. We're in a somewhat different time with somewhat different issues. Movies like the Odyssey are one way that artists address that.

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And the public has its own right to express praise or rebuke on those artists' efforts.

Even to the point of calling a work trash or garbage.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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I love the old Ten Commandments movie. It's a product of its time, like all art, but that doesn't diminish it for me. We're in a somewhat different time with somewhat different issues. Movies like the Odyssey are one way that artists address that.

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And the public has its own right to express praise or rebuke on those artists' efforts.

Even to the point of calling a work trash or garbage.

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Yeah, although it carries less weight when you have yet to see the movie and don't know whether it's any good. All the comments really add up to at this point is, "We're biased against the idea of a black woman playing Helen of Troy."

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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I love the old Ten Commandments movie. It's a product of its time, like all art, but that doesn't diminish it for me. We're in a somewhat different time with somewhat different issues. Movies like the Odyssey are one way that artists address that.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Interesting point….

The ethnonarcissist demands the right to be "centered" and the right to not suffer the hatred and resentment that naturally attends being at the center. This is why ethnonarcissists cannot create anything new. They are always parasitic upon the status quo. https://t.co/m5KQAk4Qxm pic.twitter.com/7uXHHV73l3

— Second City Bureaucrat (@CityBureaucrat) May 25, 2026

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Does he mean the "status quo" in which white people are routinely centered and expect not to be resented for it?

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Not really. Remaking a movie of Chinese stories with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make sense either. Making a movie of ancient Egypt with a bunch of Caucasians doesn't make any more sense unless Arab actors and black actors aren't available. (One reason to laugh at the old Ten Commandments movie.)

It's also difficult to resolve the conflict between "cultural appropriation" and the push for this kind of diversity. Where does one stop and the other begin?

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I love the old Ten Commandments movie. It's a product of its time, like all art, but that doesn't diminish it for me. We're in a somewhat different time with somewhat different issues. Movies like the Odyssey are one way that artists address that.

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And the public has its own right to express praise or rebuke on those artists' efforts.

Even to the point of calling a work trash or garbage.

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Yeah, although it carries less weight when you have yet to see the movie and don't know whether it's any good. All the comments really add up to at this point is, "We're biased against the idea of a black woman playing Helen of Troy."

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