EatMoreSalmon said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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We agree on the overreaction. I live in FL and was lucky that DeSantis pushed back.

The Trillions and shutting down the economy was ridiculous. My daughter was in Boston and they were ridiculous.

I know for a fact that there were issues with COVID and the elderly. Once they figured out how to treat it, it got better. The initial treatments were not helpful, such as respirators. The vaccine helped a lot of people not end up in a hospital bed.

People forget that we didn't know what it was at the time and even those that suspected a weapon or escaped virus were preparing for worse. Hindsight is 20/20. Trump was in the same boat and Fauci is all he had, I get it.

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Trumps ignorance (Not Faucci) is what made COVID worse. He keeps thinking he can BS his way out of situations he creates. (No he didn't create COVID) but he keeps destroying the safeguards we take for granted.

He did it with COVID. He did the same with the JCPOA, NAFTA, Tariffs, DOGE. Now he's going after voting.

We are being Atlantic Citied by this ignoramus.

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This is a good example of over reaction right here. Has Trump messed up some things? Yup. All of this in your list? Nope.
Time will better tell if some of his policies you and I don't like will be considered awful in the history books. He might end up being more right about some things than we want to believe.
He was right about a lot of things the first term that lots of pundits and people here thought were bogus. Lots of people hate his braggadocio, and it does overwhelm some of the good he does.

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Trump knew nothing about Iran or Healthcare or Free trade or pandemic preparedness. All he knew is Obama was for it. So he used his pea brain to undo consequential safeguards that we are paying for.

I don't expect a president to be perfect. I do expect that that he be for something not just against the previous guy. It will take us generations and trillions to distance from this Iran war. (Only he can fix it)

We have lost relationships that were vital to our security. It's far more than braggadocio. Calling balls and strikes, we have a president who doesn't give one **** about us. That's hard to say as historically, we disagree with presidents and policies, but if we're honest, we could see them as differences. Trump cares about Trump.

This is a Trump day when it comes to us.

All I know is that Fauci needs to be imprisoned under the WH for eternity.

That rat.

All he wanted was to enrich himself, and add to his fame

Danielsjackson114 said:

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This azzhole, Fauci, nearly killed my grandma with his taxpayer funded, man made virus!

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She wanted to take Ivermectin too, but Fauci said no!

F that guy!

He aint saying shyte!

Yep

Danielsjackson114 said:

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Yep

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Imagine ... we were cancelling people for having the temerity to say "Hey, isn't there a good chance that virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology? I mean, that seems entirely plausible..."

We had our government and mainstream media running virtual lynchings if anyone dared to ask questions that were not only reasonable, but in retrospect probably 100% true.

Now we know ... those government bureaucrats at ground zero actually knew or highly suspected at the time that those suspicions were correct. We misrepresented the origin of the virus, the efficacy of masks (and changed our position on it multiple times), the magical 6 feet cushion, the efficacy of the vaccine, and on and on and on. Not only did we misrepresent those things, but we bullied anyone who dared question them and ran government sponsored censorship programs to quiet them, despite the massive personal, educational, economic consequences of these policies.

Now people don't want to get vaccinated. They don't trust public institutions. They don't trust things we obtusely trot out as "science." Well, of course they don't. These jackasses did incalculable and long-lasting damage to public trust.

I remain absolutely stunned at the braindead goose-stepping approach to the entire friggin thing.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

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I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

Danielsjackson114 said:

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She wanted to take Ivermectin too, but Fauci said no!

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1. Fauci wasn't in charge. Trump was.

2. Fauci didn't dismantle the office of pandemic preparedness in 2018. Fauci didn't disregard the playbook based on lessons learned. Trump did.

3. Fauci may have suggested that Ivermectin wasn't effective. Crack ain't effective, either. People still get it.

4. Glad grandma survived. People forget how uncertain those times were. But conservatives don't want to assign the responsibility for crisis leadership to the white house. Why do we keep grading this president on a curve? He keeps saying "who could have known" when the experts knew and game planned for it.

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Charge Fauci For COVID Crimes Immediatly

Supreme Court precedent makes Dr. Anthony Fauci's situation crystal clear. A presidential pardon is not automatically effective the moment a president signs it. The recipient must accept it. Once accepted, the recipient loses the ability to plead the Fifth on the covered offenses.
In United States v. Wilson (1833), Chief Justice John Marshall wrote for a unanimous Court that a pardon is a "deed, to the validity of which delivery is essential, and delivery is not complete without acceptance. It may then be rejected by the person to whom it is tendered; and if it be rejected, we have discovered no power in a court to force it on him."

The decisive case is Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915). President Woodrow Wilson issued a full, preemptive pardon to New York Tribune editor George Burdick (who had not been charged) specifically to strip him of his Fifth Amendment privilege and force testimony before a grand jury. Burdick refused the pardon and continued to invoke the Fifth. The Supreme Court unanimously held that acceptance is required for the pardon to take effect. An unaccepted pardon does not remove the privilege against self-incrimination. The Court noted that a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it."

If a pardon is accepted, the Fifth Amendment privilege evaporates for the covered federal offenses. See Brown v. Walker, 161 U.S. 591 (1896): once a witness has received a pardon, "he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands, with respect to such offense, as if it had never been committed."
Biden's January 2025 full and unconditional pardon of Fauci covers any offenses against the United States from January 1, 2014, through the date of the pardon arising from or related to his service as NIAID Director, White House Coronavirus Task Force or COVID-19 Response Team member, or Chief Medical Advisor.
Fauci publicly expressed appreciation for that pardon. Yet today July 29, 2026, before a Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing, he invoked the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer questions about the COVID period and his official actions.

Under Burdick, this is a de facto rejection of the pardon. His counsel knows the law. They know Burdick. By advising him to plead the Fifth on matters squarely within the scope of Biden's grant, they treated the pardon as rejected or not accepted. The Trump Department of Justice should therefore immediately indict Fauci on the old, potentially covered conduct and declare that he has refused the pardon on the advice of counsel. The pardon is not in effect. Prosecute Fauci to the fullest extent of the law.

Any later acceptance after indictment would eliminate the Fifth for those covered federal matters going forward. Any false statements or material misrepresentations under oath after the pardon date remain new crimes that Biden's pardon never covered and cannot cover.

This is standing Supreme Court law: Wilson requires acceptance, Burdick protects the right to refuse and keep the Fifth, and Brown v. Walker extinguishes the privilege once acceptance occurs. Fauci cannot keep both the protection of the pardon and the Fifth. By pleading the Fifth he has chosen rejection. The Trump DOJ must act on that choice immediately. Failure to do so would mark the Trump Department of Justice as incompetent, cowardly, or both.
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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

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I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

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I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

Danielsjackson114 said:

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There isn't a single thing a liberal lunatic can tell me after watching this proceeding

Imagine dying or losing your job because of this clown, Fauci… are all liberals this foolish?

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Again, how is there no accountability for the person in charge? You are acknowledging that COVID was handled poorly. And yet, you voted for the person responsible to come back to office.

And you're seeing the incompetence again in real time.

You, along with all of the other resident liberal lunatics, drive me more and more conservative every day

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

---

I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

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I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

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The Kids did not "resist" anyone....they were little children.

PS

I did not make any claim on government overreach in general in terms of rural communities or any other community.

I said in that specific instance....Janet Reno and the Fed. leadership made a very stupid call that led to the lives of 28 kids being lost.

They could have arrested Koresh in Waco away from where the kids lived. (from the determination of Congress investigations)

The Kids were completely innocent.

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

---

I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

---

I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

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The Kids did not "resist" anyone....they were little children.

PS

I did not make any claim on government overreach in general in terms of rural communities or any other community.

I said in that specific instance....Janet Reno and the Fed. leadership made a very stupid call that led to the lives of 28 kids being lost.

They could have arrested Koresh in Waco away from where the kids lived. (from the determination of Congress investigations)

The Kids were completely innocent.

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I don't disagree with the kid's innocence. I'm saying they're not the only innocent children that are affected with boot throated justice.

My question is "who is worthy of grace?"

Danielsjackson114 said:

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You, along with all of the other resident liberal lunatics, drive me more and more conservative every day

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You're not conservative. Conservatives have principles.

What we are seeijg today is the reason Washington warned against factions and parties. Anthny fuaci and Rand Paul are boith smart men and both want what is best for the country. Today's hearing should be about how to avoid and better mitigate pandemics. Their feud, however, prevents any real effort at those goals and all the Senate is interested in is sound clips to push their side in the midterms.

At least they are not dueling.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Again, how is there no accountability for the person in charge? You are acknowledging that COVID was handled poorly. And yet, you voted for the person responsible to come back to office.

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Trump ****ed up royally - by listening to Fauci/Birx etc and turning governance over to a bunch of single issue experts who should have been quietly advising from behind. Massive failure on his part, including the incredibly stupid bailout that drove inflation for years. Mitigating factors: he did what most western leaders did at that point in time (all stupid), and then he saw the errors of his ways while Democrat leaders continued to yell "lockdown harder" for years.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

---

So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

---

I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

---

I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

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The Kids did not "resist" anyone....they were little children.

PS

I did not make any claim on government overreach in general in terms of rural communities or any other community.

I said in that specific instance....Janet Reno and the Fed. leadership made a very stupid call that led to the lives of 28 kids being lost.

They could have arrested Koresh in Waco away from where the kids lived. (from the determination of Congress investigations)

The Kids were completely innocent.

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I don't disagree with the kid's innocence. I'm saying they're not the only innocent children that are affected with boot throated justice.

My wife set Jonnie "who is worthy of grace?"

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Please let me know of other instances were the Federal government is contributing to kids being burned alive.

Happy to criticize that as well!

When Trump does things on his own, he is at fault by liberal clowns. When he consults, he is still at fault by liberal clowns.. have you noticed that?

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

---

What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

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I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

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I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

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The Kids did not "resist" anyone....they were little children.

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I did not make any claim on government overreach in general in terms of rural communities or any other community.

I said in that specific instance....Janet Reno and the Fed. leadership made a very stupid call that led to the lives of 28 kids being lost.

They could have arrested Koresh in Waco away from where the kids lived. (from the determination of Congress investigations)

The Kids were completely innocent.

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I don't disagree with the kid's innocence. I'm saying they're not the only innocent children that are affected with boot throated justice.

My wife set Jonnie "who is worthy of grace?"

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Please let me know of other instances were the Federal government is contributing to kids being burned alive.

Happy to criticize that as well!

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I can't think of any directly.

Indirectly, I can think of citizen children being detained because their parents are illegal, the bombing of the school girls in Iran, the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia and the destruction of tons of food AID that was destroyed in the name of DOGE.

All cruelty to innocent children.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

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I blame Janet Reno and the FBI/ATF leadership for acting recklessly and getting a bunch of kids killed...yes 100%

"Koresh frequently left the compound to go into the city of Waco.... leaving the property to jog, visit town, or handle business. Congressional investigations and outside experts noted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) had multiple opportunities to arrest him safely in public or on the road in and around Waco"

100% they wanted a big time bust for tv...someone leaked info to the local Waco news about the upcoming bust....no doubt someone in the Fed organizational structure.

Instead of a silent operation against a man in leadership who was wanted. They went after the residential home compound of a very paranoid/skittish religious cult with lots of kids around.

Disaster.....

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I think the answer is "Why did they resist law enforcement?"

The idea that the federal government is overreaching when it comes to rural communities but even handed in urban communities (ICE, I see you) is laughable.

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The Kids did not "resist" anyone....they were little children.

PS

I did not make any claim on government overreach in general in terms of rural communities or any other community.

I said in that specific instance....Janet Reno and the Fed. leadership made a very stupid call that led to the lives of 28 kids being lost.

They could have arrested Koresh in Waco away from where the kids lived. (from the determination of Congress investigations)

The Kids were completely innocent.

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I don't disagree with the kid's innocence. I'm saying they're not the only innocent children that are affected with boot throated justice.

My wife set Jonnie "who is worthy of grace?"

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Please let me know of other instances were the Federal government is contributing to kids being burned alive.

Happy to criticize that as well!

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I can't think of any directly.

Indirectly, I can think of citizen children being detained because their parents are illegal,

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Sending children home on a airplane with their parents (who have broken the law and have not right to legally be in the USA) is a far different thing.

You just don't want the laws of the USA enforced.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You miss my point on Trump. Two points-
1- it is not what he wants to do, it is how he does it. We agree on the what, thr methods he uses are not suitable for national policy.

2- The Presidency is different than any other position, how you do things and how you deal with others matters. He is the US personified. Just like Obama apologizing, Biden's age related mistakes and Clinton's indiscretions were unacceptable, so is Trump's tweets, speeches and rhetoric. It makes the US look bad. Fauci was a lower level apecialist, not the President.

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Maybe there are a couple of people using your screen name ... I am old enough to remember you calling anyone that disagrees with you a "fascist" and calling President Trump "radical" and "extreme."

So in which time are you lying? Are you butthurt about policies our mean tweets? You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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What are you having problems getting?

You can have a strong immigration policy without having jackbooted thugs tackling and shooting people in the street like they are living an episode of Fallout. Policy is fine, execution Fascist, Authoritarian, or whatever the word of the day is.

The President leads the Nation, not acting like it is his personal organization to wield on a whim. He doesn't like a comment by Canada, 15% tariffs across the Board, unless you are nice to him than they will go away. He is acting like the US economy, and military are his personal tools.

His rhetoric and night time tweets matter as the President. He is not Presidential and he views (at least through his words) that the US is his to do with what he wants. When the US President used to talk, people and the world listened. Not anymore, we are viewed as the President being a blowhard. Nothing he says is accurate. How many times have we beat Iran? What is going on in Venezuela? Greenland? Ukraine? Tariffs? It is all over the Board.

Allies - Greenland and the Arctic are important. The President should work with Canada, Denmark and Scandinavia to protect it, which is what NATO used to be about. NOT telling Denmark we are taking it. We are siding with Russia, Iran and North Korea and walking out of the UN meetings. Trump has gotten the US to the point where our Allies no longer trust us. So, while getting NATO to pay more, great. Doing what we are doing around the world, not so much.

I have consistently said I get the policies and agree with most, but HOW he is executing them is downright wrong. How he is treating US citizens is wrong. How he is profiting, is wrong. This is not a political system discussion, it is a personal discussion. As bad as Clinton was, Trump is just as bad. At least under Clinton the US was in a good position. Not anymore

My model modern Presidents - Eisenhower, Bush Sr, Reagan, Truman

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So you support citizens interfering in law enforcement? Do you blame Clinton for murdering the Branch Davidians?

Sorry ... are you serious when you posted Greenland and Denmark are key allies? You're just messing with us, right?

So you do not care that Fauci killed millions but you're really butthurt about mean tweets? Is that real? That's you're actual position?

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I was getting out of Fort Hood at the time before I went to Baylor, so I was in the area.

If you remember, Clinton caught all sorts of **** for the fire. That was a 51 day siege, that went on for a long period and they were giving numerous chances and the opened fire on the ATF agents. Also, the Clinton Administration took a lot of heat over that to the point that Reno was brought in front of Congress. Waco was considered a huge overstep by Government and the Branch Davidians opened fire on the ATF Agents.

Denmark has been a NATO Allie and supported the US. You are saying Denmark and the Danish Straits have not and are not key? Greenland is not a key area? Up until Trump we were members of NATO, not enemies.

Fauci killed millions? Please link the documents, I find a lot of talking heads and very little documentation. Please provide a link. This is a total misdirection. There is no case against the guy or they would prosecute. Is there any new information at these COngressional hearings? Can you link me to the scientific reports that it was man-made? Or the budget and scope documents that we paid for GOF, that should be easy as DOGE has access to everything. Seriously, I want to read about it. Everything I find with any basis in scientific analysis doesn't show it.

Finally, what does Fauci have to do with Trump's un-Presidential behavior? I am missing the connection. Are you saying that if Fauci is prosecuted Trump will act Presidential and not tweet and go off half cocked? I didn't know they were connected. Might be worth it, does Fauci get due process or just straight to hanging? .