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Trump has no authority to pay $5,000 per person besides, he doesn't pay his bills. You're a fool if you believe this will happen.

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Two things:

1. Correct. Trump does not have the ability as President to do this . . . which is why he wants people to elect a complete Republican Congress.

2. Media. The point of this stunt is not to give out $5,000, it is to get free news headlines and to flip the Democrat's script. You now have a party that has done nothing but promise freebies for the past 60 years now coming out against freebies.

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Yeah, that is how it is being received... Not Trump buying votes.

Voters are saying: "wait the Dem's wanted to forgive my student loans and have universal healthcare, Trump is offering to pay everyone 5k if they vote for Republicans to show how bad the Dem's are. Geez, the Dem's suck. Trump really flipped the narrative". Yeah, that is what everyone was saying at the gas station today...

Well, we know the sky in your world is not blue.

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Don't be a tool. I know you prefer your Jeb! republicans that promise and never deliver. Trump just took that page - you should be thrilled.

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Don't get on me, you came up with the f-ed up logic that he just made some major tactical coup by getting everyone to understand it really is about the Democrats. Really?

So, we should be happy? We have a President that represents all the bad of the past...

The likability of Nixon, with the economics of Carter, the war mongering of "W", the disingenuousness of Obama, the morals of Clinton and the incoherence of Biden. What a guy... Aren't we lucky?

By the way, Jeb was not President and did a good job as Governor of Florida. Not sure what Jeb didn't deliver on. Or was that a cryptic play to point out that Obama was bad???

Ok, sorry. I will stop being a tool.

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"Please clap."

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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Waco1947 said:

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$5,000 to each citizen if GOP wins. That sounds illegal to me.

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Meh, democrats crossed that line decades ago. I only have a problem with it if he actually does it.

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"Democrats did it decades ago" is not an argument. It's the political equivalent of a five-year-old saying, "But they did it first." If you think the conduct is wrong, condemn it regardless of who does it.
And "I only have a problem with it if he actually does it" is an astonishingly low bar for political accountability. So your standard is basically: I'll defend it, excuse it, and look the other way until it becomes impossible to deny.
That isn't principle. That's partisanship with the principles removed.

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Waco1947 said:

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$5,000 to each citizen if GOP wins. That sounds illegal to me.

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Meh, democrats crossed that line decades ago. I only have a problem with it if he actually does it.

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"Democrats did it decades ago" is not an argument. It's the political equivalent of a five-year-old saying, "But they did it first." If you think the conduct is wrong, condemn it regardless of who does it.
And "I only have a problem with it if he actually does it" is an astonishingly low bar for political accountability. So your standard is basically: I'll defend it, excuse it, and look the other way until it becomes impossible to deny.
That isn't principle. That's partisanship with the principles removed.

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Yes, pointing out the hypocrisy of Democrat's feigned outrage means I'm defending it and excusing it, despite explicitly saying I don't want him to actually do it. Brilliant.

Wacko1974 saying that precedent doesn't matter

What a fkn liberal imbecile

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Wacko1974 saying that precedent doesn't matter

What a fkn liberal imbecile

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you take my bet queer boy?

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$5,000 to each citizen if GOP wins. That sounds illegal to me.

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Meh, democrats crossed that line decades ago. I only have a problem with it if he actually does it.

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"Democrats did it decades ago" is not an argument. It's the political equivalent of a five-year-old saying, "But they did it first." If you think the conduct is wrong, condemn it regardless of who does it.
And "I only have a problem with it if he actually does it" is an astonishingly low bar for political accountability. So your standard is basically: I'll defend it, excuse it, and look the other way until it becomes impossible to deny.
That isn't principle. That's partisanship with the principles removed.

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Yes, pointing out the hypocrisy of Democrat's feigned outrage means I'm defending it and excusing it, despite explicitly saying I don't want him to actually do it. Brilliant.

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Oh, I understand perfectly. You're saying, "I don't want him to actually do it, but let me spend the entire argument explaining why Democrats are hypocrites for objecting to it."
That's not a defense of the conduct? Fine. But it's certainly a defense of the argument that excuses it. If the behavior is wrong, then it's wrong when your side does it too. "Democrats did it first" doesn't magically turn a bad principle into a good one.
And calling their outrage "feigned" doesn't answer the underlying question: Do you condemn the conduct or not? Everything else is political smoke designed to avoid answering it.

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Remember Obamaphone?

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There's no such thing.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/only-on-2-free-phones-a-little-too-easy-to-get/

You are always full of doo doo

California Lifeline had nothing to do with Obama. It was a separate program administered by the state.

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Wacko1947,

What about all of the socialists promising "free healthcare" if you vote for them...

You TDS is flairing up again

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Actually, Waco is right.

Where is the $1.3 trillion going to come from to pay for Trump's midterms vote buying checks? You Trump worshippers have to be the most gullible bunch of people I have ever seen in my 63 years of life.

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You know that the $5000 promise isn't actually for the majority of Trump supporters. They're smart enough to know that he's full of it at this point. But the dumb voters - the ones that just want handouts - some percentage of them will vote for it hoping he comes through.

Yes it's stupid, but it's WAY better than free healthcare, promising to pay off loans for liberal kids, reparations, etc. So if it actually came through, $5000 paid to you by the government is just you getting your money back. I will take all my money back that the government can give me. The system is going to break and neither party is going to fix it. The fed is driving us off a cliff and will continue to steal your livelihood until it's shut down. We all know this.

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Trump Pledges That If Voters Defeat Socialism In November, They Will Each Get An Equal Redistribution Of Wealth From The Government

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I believe democrats call that "walking around money."

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Where tf is free hc gonna come from??????

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You should ask your President. He is the one in power and could do something if he had any interest. But he has zero interest.

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He can make doctors and nurses work for free? Make construction companies build hospitals for free? I feel like that's a 13th amendment problem.

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Whether it comes to Trump's $5,000 vote buying checks or free healthcare, I will ask the question again. Where is the money going to come from?

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Apparently from hyperinflation and a currency collapse.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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Then literally any and every politician would be in jail since their inception

My goodness, you are an idiot

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Watching you be a proponent of illegal activity today, that you were set in stone against yesterday, is always entertaining. You are such a bootlicker that Trump could gain entire sets of shoes from your gut.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

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Actually it is worse than that. The way I understand it, he wants to give ALL adults $5,000, whether they voted Republican or not. As long as the Republicans win both houses. Have never seen a President more willing to burn the taxpayers' money in my lifetime. Nobody else was even close. "Nobody has ever seen anything like it!"

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

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Actually it is worse than that. The way I understand it, he wants to give ALL adults $5,000, whether they voted Republican or not. As long as the Republicans win both houses. Have never seen a President more willing to burn the taxpayers' money in my lifetime. Nobody else was even close. "Nobody has ever seen anything like it!"

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Yeah. He is has destroyed our deficit and budget. Makes Biden look responsible!

I know that's hyperbole but there is no one that can make Pres Autopen look responsible or competent. It's impossible. The Left took corruption & incompetence to new levels.

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I know that's hyperbole but there is no one that can make Pres Autopen look responsible or competent. It's impossible. The Left took corruption & incompetence to new levels.

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I don't disagree. This Administration is giving them a run for their money.


This Administration will go down as the last gasp of the elites, the next elections will bring change. Too much has happened and too much money has been abused.

My fear is the kneejerk goes too far left and we end up with another Progressive like Biden. Time for a Centrist to get in power, this time one that leans toward Domestic and social policy, not Wall Street and Foreign Policy.

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Biden was a centrist. If the pendulum swings too far left we'll end up with something else entirely.

Biden might have been a centrist but it's difficult to tell because he was largely brain dead for 4 years. His handlers were radical commies or fascists responsible for some of the worst policies in US history. It was criminal, tyrannical, and evil.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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I know that's hyperbole but there is no one that can make Pres Autopen look responsible or competent. It's impossible. The Left took corruption & incompetence to new levels.

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I don't disagree. This Administration is giving them a run for their money.


This Administration will go down as the last gasp of the elites, the next elections will bring change. Too much has happened and too much money has been abused.

My fear is the kneejerk goes too far left and we end up with another Progressive like Biden. Time for a Centrist to get in power, this time one that leans toward Domestic and social policy, not Wall Street and Foreign Policy.

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Biden was a centrist. If the pendulum swings too far left we'll end up with something else entirely.

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You are correct. Biden WAS a centrist. President Biden was not centrist.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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Debt forgiveness, healthcare reform, etc. are policies, not bribes. You all know the difference even if it's fun to pretend otherwise.

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Wangchung said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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You really think Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are election tricks? 5k ain't going to do **** to change someone's life for the better. Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are life changing and help the Nation.

The more educated the work force the better. The healthier the work force the better. Who we are competing against believes that and are doing it. We are going to let people drown in SL debt because the signed the paper. We are going to let people go bankrupt because they got sick. Real f-ing effective.

I said this earlier, you want to show how cruel and close minded the current GOP's policies are? Come here and talk to the conservatives.

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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The more educated the work force the better.

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I'm not sure Republicans believe that any more. Education isn't translating into votes lately.

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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The more educated the work force the better.

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I'm not sure Republicans believe that any more. Education isn't translating into votes lately.

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I am not talking votes. We are moving to a more technical world and are education leaders are stressing be a plumber. Not be an engineer. Not be a scientist. But, VOTECH... That is how we end up slaves to China.

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Wangchung said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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Debt forgiveness, healthcare reform, etc. are policies, not bribes. You all know the difference even if it's fun to pretend otherwise.

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That's hilarious. You do realize "healthcare reform" has nothing to do with bribing a specific class of citizen who went to college for useless degrees and couldn't find employment based on those degrees that would allow them to pay off their debt, right? Even if it's fun to pretend otherwise.

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Wangchung said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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You really think Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are election tricks? 5k ain't going to do **** to change someone's life for the better. Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are life changing and help the Nation.

The more educated the work force the better. The healthier the work force the better. Who we are competing against believes that and are doing it. We are going to let people drown in SL debt because the signed the paper. We are going to let people go bankrupt because they got sick. Real f-ing effective.

I said this earlier, you want to show how cruel and close minded the current GOP's policies are? Come here and talk to the conservatives.

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Its funny how you're trying to bring up healthcare out of nowhere as if that gives loan forgiveness vote buying schemes ANY legitimacy.

Ah government run healthcare; the efficiency of the dmv combined with the compassion of the IRS. Brilliant.

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Wangchung said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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Debt forgiveness, healthcare reform, etc. are policies, not bribes. You all know the difference even if it's fun to pretend otherwise.

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That's hilarious. You do realize "healthcare reform" has nothing to do with bribing a specific class of citizen who went to college for useless degrees and couldn't find employment based on those degrees that would allow them to pay off their debt, right? Even if it's fun to pretend otherwise.

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"Stupid games" (as Fubar put it).

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Biden promised student debt forgiveness. How is that any different?

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It's not. In fact it's much worse, but not much different.

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You don't see a difference between Student Loan forgiveness after already elected and telling people IF you vote Republican I will give you $5,000 dollars?

Really? Cash payment for their vote vs paying off student debt after elected? Not, if you vote for these people Congress won't pass legislation, but I will give you 5k if you vote Republican.

I hope you don't do your own taxes.

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Oh? Biden wasn't up for re election? Hmmmmm Better get back to your TurboTax app. Lol

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He was in office when he did Student Loan forgiveness. I know many that got the remaining amounts of the their loans forgiving after paying 20 years.

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So he wasn't campaigning for re election? Or did he used his power of office to buy votes for his re election campaign? Which one? And were democrats not running for office when Autopen tried the student debt bribes?

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You really think Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are election tricks? 5k ain't going to do **** to change someone's life for the better. Student Loan forgiveness and Health Care are life changing and help the Nation.

The more educated the work force the better. The healthier the work force the better. Who we are competing against believes that and are doing it. We are going to let people drown in SL debt because the signed the paper. We are going to let people go bankrupt because they got sick. Real f-ing effective.

I said this earlier, you want to show how cruel and close minded the current GOP's policies are? Come here and talk to the conservatives.

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Its funny how you're trying to bring up healthcare out of nowhere as if that gives loan forgiveness vote buying schemes ANY legitimacy.

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The Student Loan issue is not a "major" or finishing issue. It is a debt trap issue. These people have paid decades, paying the principle off years ago. It is interest. If you wanted to change it to limiting the interest to a set number of years, I am all for it. I know engineers working for State DOT's that are STILL paying off their engineering degrees 20 to 25 year's later. That is criminal.

As for Health Care, Health Care damn well is part of the conversation. Your Master even brought it up today promising change, we all know he isn't going to do it. He is beholden to the wealthy. A person shouldn't lose everything because they got sick. Many of these people paid into the insurance system for decades when they were young and didn't need it. Now in their 50's when they need it, their jobs "re-org": They can't get coverage for an affordable price. How much did they pay in for 40 plus years when they didn't need it. You will see, you'll be there. Making a decision of paying for meds or food.