historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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Apparently ethics are evil to a lot of our posters.

Sen. CORNYN joins call for an investigation & issuing subpoena to Donald Trump Jr.:

“I would support Senator Curtis’ request”

Cornyn sits on Judiciary & President Trump helped oust him in his primary https://t.co/yAOEFa54uX

— Laura Weiss (@LauraEWeiss16) September 22, 2026

A toaster is a wedding gift. A private-island party paid for by a Putin-connected oligarch is something else. Republicans nearly wore out the subpoena machine investigating Hunter Biden’s foreign relationships. We should not unplug it now. ‘Trust us’ was not enough then, and it… pic.twitter.com/dcWqUO6e2X

— Senator John Curtis (@SenJohnCurtis) September 22, 2026

historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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some may say being blind to facts, non educated, non engaged in the world, non-discerning, MAGA leaning freaks are EVIL.

J.R. said:

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historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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some may say being blind to facts, non educated, non engaged in the world, non-discerning, MAGA leaning freaks are EVIL.

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Except for the last item, you described most of the Left, especially those running for office. They aren't very well educated if they cannot deal with reality (economic, political, moral, spiritual) and their engagement with the world is evil if it's based on Marxism. They certainly are blind to many facts (biology & economics, for example) and they have no discernment if they don't know what a woman is or think the Dems will solve any problems, most of which they created.

J.R. said:

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historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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some may say being blind to facts, non educated, non engaged in the world, non-discerning, MAGA leaning freaks are EVIL.

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Well, only the America-hating, Moloch-following Democrats and their pet "independents" would say that.

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J.R. said:

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historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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some may say being blind to facts, non educated, non engaged in the world, non-discerning, MAGA leaning freaks are EVIL.

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Except for the last item, you described most of the Left, especially those running for office. They aren't very well educated if they cannot deal with reality (economic, political, moral, spiritual) and their engagement with the world is evil if it's based on Marxism. They certainly are blind to many facts (biology & economics, for example) and they have no discernment if they don't know what a woman is or think the Dems will solve any problems, most of which they created.

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You think the Casey's clerk can even define what is "MAGA?"

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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HuMcK said:

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Gee, it's almost as if the Trump family has suspiciously deep ties to Russia. If only someone had warned us about this when it could have mattered, maybe back in 2016...

Seriously, if this surprises you, what rock have you been living under for the last decade?

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The most impressive part of this post is the poster's ability to forget an entire decade of making excuses for politically connected family members the moment the last name changes. The same poster who waved away Hunter Biden collecting lucrative payments from a Ukrainian energy company suddenly rediscovers his concern about foreign money when the last name is Trump.

Apparently foreign money flowing to a politician's family is either evidence of corruption or a meaningless coincidence depending entirely on whose campaign sign is in the yard.

What's especially rich is that this comes from people who spent years promoting the Trump-Russia collusion narrative as if it were an established fact, only to watch investigation after investigation fail to prove the grand conspiracy that was breathlessly promised.

Taking foreign money should be bad, regardless of whether you have a D or an R in front of your candidacy.

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You are correct, but not many people had the level of sympathy for Biden that MAGA has for Trump. In addition, the Trump grift is on a scale the Bidens could only dream of. Finally, at least Hunter Biden was prosecuted for something by the "Biden DOJ." What is the chance that happens under Trump?

It's a basket of Apples and a truckload of Apples comparison.

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Can we talk about the Clinton Foundation?

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We should talk about corruption on all sides and do what we can to eliminate at the voting

booth

Have you ever seen anything like this? https://t.co/OWOe0dbYDm pic.twitter.com/OuuRg9uIhd

— Brown Eyed Susan (@smc429) September 15, 2026

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The pardon process has become a disaster - not sure if I had consciousness before, but my memory is Clinton really started the ball rolling on selling pardons, access, etc. Not the mention the Clinton Foundation might be the most corrupt presidential vehicle of all time.

What you guys mistake as dismissing corruption is your selective TDS outrage while being silent and the exponential corruption of Democrat presidents. No one takes your selective outrage seriously. I mean Biden pardoning his on son for "anything" as well as a so-called scientist was the nadir of this game ... so unless you can post your outrage about that no one takes you seriously as a thoughtful person.

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Trump's financial corruption is exponential of the collective value of the Biden and Clinton corruption. In fact, the Abu Dhabi sovereign fund transaction alone exceeds the entire amount of money passed through the Clinton Foundation since its inception.

And to flip the script, unless you can show some outrage at Trump's corruption, you cannot complain about Biden's or Clinton's.

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So I need a little more specifics. Is the butthurt over the fact it invested in some Hollywood deal? Apologies if I missed something obvious - definitely possible. I am a little more worried about selling state secrets to China, Russia, and Ukraine.

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J.R. said:

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historian said:

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Progressivism = fascism or communism
It is evil

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some may say being blind to facts, non educated, non engaged in the world, non-discerning, MAGA leaning freaks are EVIL.

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Well, only the America-hating, Moloch-following Democrats and their pet "independents" would say that.

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Get out and educate yourself. Trannies coming for ya! They gonna turn the world trans. How about concerning urself with things that matter like the war, inflation, deficit, degeneration of the US va the trump crime family. That's evil!

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Gee, it's almost as if the Trump family has suspiciously deep ties to Russia. If only someone had warned us about this when it could have mattered, maybe back in 2016...

Seriously, if this surprises you, what rock have you been living under for the last decade?

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The most impressive part of this post is the poster's ability to forget an entire decade of making excuses for politically connected family members the moment the last name changes. The same poster who waved away Hunter Biden collecting lucrative payments from a Ukrainian energy company suddenly rediscovers his concern about foreign money when the last name is Trump.

Apparently foreign money flowing to a politician's family is either evidence of corruption or a meaningless coincidence depending entirely on whose campaign sign is in the yard.

What's especially rich is that this comes from people who spent years promoting the Trump-Russia collusion narrative as if it were an established fact, only to watch investigation after investigation fail to prove the grand conspiracy that was breathlessly promised.

Taking foreign money should be bad, regardless of whether you have a D or an R in front of your candidacy.

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There is a significant difference between trading on your name (Hunter Biden) and getting billions in government contracts that your resume and history do not support.
The Trump's have drone and mining contracts with the government that could impact soldier safety.

Have you considered decaf?

Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

That's a reasonable point. However:

New poll from YouGov

Agree it's okay to be happy about death of political figure they oppose:

Very Liberal: 24%
Liberal: 10%
Moderate: 7%
Conservative: 4%
Very Conservative: 3%

Agree violence can be justified to achieve political goals:

VL: 25%
L: 17%
M: 9%
C: 6%
VC: 3% pic.twitter.com/GztzwPcaqv

— Ryan Saavedra (@RyanSaavedra) September 16, 2025

When the majority of one party cannot be reasonable then things begin to break down.

I don't disagree as I certainly don't like the results of the polls you presented. However, "reasonable" apparently leaves some wiggle room, Thomas Jefferson, among others, advocated for political violence under certain conditions. According to various sources and polls, some Americans seem to think some of those conditions may exist. Others just want to create trouble and too many have can't come close to articulating a postion.

All of our Founding Fathers (or almost all) advocated for and participated in the Revolution against Britain but only after a dozen years of seeking a peaceful resolution without success. Instead the British govt became more tyrannical. Those advocating bold be today are nothing like them.

You have a point, except the people on the far Left today who are advocating violence are radical Marxists (commies, fascists, socialists, etc) who want to abolish the border, ICE, the police, the military, the presidency, prisons, and ultimately the constitution. They want to create a dystopian dictatorship in which they rule, everyone else is a slave, crime is rampant, and misery prevails. Oh yes, they are also extreme racists who want y to I establish concentration camps and done of them want ovens to burn the bodies of their political opponents. I'm not exaggerating. All of this is taken from their own words, reported this year. Whatever they call themselves, they want to bring the worst of communism & Nazism to America.

It's the worst insanity and to think millions of Americans appear willing and ready to vote for it or to passively watch it happen.

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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I don't disagree as I certainly don't like the results of the polls you presented. However, "reasonable" apparently leaves some wiggle room, Thomas Jefferson, among others, advocated for political violence under certain conditions. According to various sources and polls, some Americans seem to think some of those conditions may exist. Others just want to create trouble and too many have can't come close to articulating a postion.

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Interesting post. One of my hobbies is studying opinion polls, especially how they are built and used. What I noticed in your post, is that you caught how people sometimes get emotional on an issue to an unusual degree. Before MAGA on the Right, there was the TEA party and in between the Left threw us the Climate Change and Obamacare fanatics. That doesn't touch the crazies who don't officially belong to the Democrats or Republicans, but are their own crowd of vermin, like the LaRouche mob or PETA. Thing is, if you read History you will see those type of groups popping up every so often for as long as the US has been here.

We have also, sadly, devolved a bit in critical thinking, with a lot of people voting on emotion rather than hard facts and the issues. What's worse, is a lot of candidates have learned they can gain support by reflecting that emotion back and building campaigns on emotion rather than issues.

Trump may prove to be a forerunner, not an outlier, of future politician behavior.

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All of our Founding Fathers (or almost all) advocated for and participated in the Revolution against Britain but only after a dozen years of seeking a peaceful resolution without success. Instead the British govt became more tyrannical. Those advocating bold be today are nothing like them.

You have a point, except the people on the far Left today who are advocating violence are radical Marxists (commies, fascists, socialists, etc) who want to abolish the border, ICE, the police, the military, the presidency, prisons, and ultimately the constitution. They want to create a dystopian dictatorship in which they rule, everyone else is a slave, crime is rampant, and misery prevails. Oh yes, they are also extreme racists who want y to I establish concentration camps and done of them want ovens to burn the bodies of their political opponents. I'm not exaggerating. All of this is taken from their own words, reported this year. Whatever they call themselves, they want to bring the worst of communism & Nazism to America.

It's the worst insanity and to think millions of Americans appear willing and ready to vote for it or to passively watch it happen.

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Let's slow down here and perhaps we can agree on some of your comments, at least partially, but not totally. In reality, there are small fringe groups on the far left who advocate:

• Abolishing ICE or police
• Totally abolishing prisons, borders or capitalism

These positions exist but they are held by only a few small activist circles, not by mainstream Democrats, progressives, or even most self-described socialists. None of these groups advocate ovens, concentration camps, racial supremacy, or dictatorship. I don't see where these claims are supported by evidence.
The language and tone you use is more like apocalyptic out-group framing, which is often used by extremists on both sides of the political spectrum to increase fear, simplify complex issues, demonize opponents and often to justify extreme countermeasures

On the other side, comparing to far-left rhetoric about the far right
Their structure is almost identical.
Far-right rhetoric about far left (your quote):

• "They want dictatorship."
• "They want slavery."
• "They want concentration camps."
• "They are racists."
• "They want to destroy America."

Far-left rhetoric about far right:

• "They want fascism."
• "They want dictatorship."
• "They want concentration camps."
• "They are racists."
• "They want to destroy democracy."

Both sides use moral absolutism, demonization, dehumanizing language, and fringe examples presented as mainstream

We have the right to free speech, both of us. I wish, somehow, we, including myself, would recognize the responsibility which should come with it.

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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No, but why do we have to justify one wrong with another?
Do you realize how many people have died and continue to die every day because of the programs his administration has cut or slashed funding? We didn't have to trade that.

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I don't disagree as I certainly don't like the results of the polls you presented. However, "reasonable" apparently leaves some wiggle room, Thomas Jefferson, among others, advocated for political violence under certain conditions. According to various sources and polls, some Americans seem to think some of those conditions may exist. Others just want to create trouble and too many have can't come close to articulating a postion.

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Interesting post. One of my hobbies is studying opinion polls, especially how they are built and used. What I noticed in your post, is that you caught how people sometimes get emotional on an issue to an unusual degree. Before MAGA on the Right, there was the TEA party and in between the Left threw us the Climate Change and Obamacare fanatics. That doesn't touch the crazies who don't officially belong to the Democrats or Republicans, but are their own crowd of vermin, like the LaRouche mob or PETA. Thing is, if you read History you will see those type of groups popping up every so often for as long as the US has been here.

We have also, sadly, devolved a bit in critical thinking, with a lot of people voting on emotion rather than hard facts and the issues. What's worse, is a lot of candidates have learned they can gain support by reflecting that emotion back and building campaigns on emotion rather than issues.

Trump may prove to be a forerunner, not an outlier, of future politician behavior.

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Agreed almost totally. I
'm not sure about him being the forerunner or first; however, so far, he has managed to utilize his skill masterfully. Perhaps we are entering a different era. With as much political polarization, alienation, misinformation, flat out "whatever" attitudes which seem to be producing--followed by relatively little effort to change things, except for some good emotional griping sessions--we shall continue to get more of what we continue to earn.

The difference of the ideas I cited come directly from leading figures in the DSA and others on the Left, the same people who congressional Dems embraced and, to my knowledge, still have not disavowed. The rhetoric they use against the GOP are flat out lies.

The Dems support mass murder of the innocent (abortion), mutilating children (trans cult), political violence, and other kinds of violent extremism. They want to take our money and our freedom. The GOP does not. The Dems celebrate the murder of people like Charlie Kirk, attempted assassinations of Trump, and they lionize murderers like Luigi Mangione and Lindsay Clancy. Republicans and conservatives do not. A poll was released literally 1-2 days ago in which almost a third of the Left wants Trump assassinated. I don't know anyone who ever said anything like that about Obama or Biden.

As far as their propaganda about threats to "democracy", it's based upon a lie. The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy. The Left repeatedly lies about that foundational issue hoping on the ignorance of the general population. But anyone who honesty reads our founding documents, including the constitution and the Federalist Papers (especially #10), will know that the Founding Fathers explicitly chose a republic over a democracy because they understood the difference and the history of both kinds of government.

I was not exaggerating. Hyperbole and extreme false rhetoric is what the Left does. I cited the actual words of Dems & their allies that have been reported in recent weeks. I refuse to sugar coat or whitewash the dangers of the Left.

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Gee, it's almost as if the Trump family has suspiciously deep ties to Russia. If only someone had warned us about this when it could have mattered, maybe back in 2016...

Seriously, if this surprises you, what rock have you been living under for the last decade?

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The most impressive part of this post is the poster's ability to forget an entire decade of making excuses for politically connected family members the moment the last name changes. The same poster who waved away Hunter Biden collecting lucrative payments from a Ukrainian energy company suddenly rediscovers his concern about foreign money when the last name is Trump.

Apparently foreign money flowing to a politician's family is either evidence of corruption or a meaningless coincidence depending entirely on whose campaign sign is in the yard.

What's especially rich is that this comes from people who spent years promoting the Trump-Russia collusion narrative as if it were an established fact, only to watch investigation after investigation fail to prove the grand conspiracy that was breathlessly promised.

Taking foreign money should be bad, regardless of whether you have a D or an R in front of your candidacy.

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You are correct, but not many people had the level of sympathy for Biden that MAGA has for Trump.

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Demonstrably untrue. The Bidens' pay for play was highly suppressed by multiple large media outlets and celebrities. There was even a major party that put him up for election knowing his mental capacity was diminished considerably. Even that was suppressed (poorly) by large news media, the White House staff, and celebrities. Posters on here regularly defended him. Even some who never post here until they can "gloat" about something they think their party succeeded in.

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LOL, you don't think Trump's dementia has been suppressed?

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Nah, I think it just disrupted the Klavern

"The difference of the ideas I cited come directly from leading figures in the DSA and others on the Left, the same people who congressional Dems embraced and, to my knowledge, still have not disavowed. The rhetoric they use against the GOP are flat out lies.

The Dems support mass murder of the innocent (abortion), mutilating children (trans cult), political violence, and other kinds of violent extremism. They want to take our money and our freedom. The GOP does not. The Dems celebrate the murder of people like Charlie Kirk, attempted assassinations of Trump, and they lionize murderers like Luigi Mangione and Lindsay Clancy. Republicans and conservatives do not. A poll was released literally 1-2 days ago in which almost a third of the Left wants Trump assassinated. I don't know anyone who ever said anything like that about Obama or Biden.

As far as their propaganda about threats to "democracy", it's based upon a lie. The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy. The Left repeatedly lies about that foundational issue hoping on the ignorance of the general population. But anyone who honesty reads our founding documents, including the constitution and the Federalist Papers (especially #10), will know that the Founding Fathers explicitly chose a republic over a democracy because they understood the difference and the history of both kinds of government.

I was not exaggerating. Hyperbole and extreme false rhetoric is what the Left does. I cited the actual words of Dems & their allies that have been reported in recent weeks. I refuse to sugar coat or whitewash the dangers of the Left."


I don't agree with your extreme rhetoric. I do agree that the far left, if it gained control of the government presents dangers, and those dangers are not exactly the same as those of the far right.Both extremes present a danger to our system of governance and our way of life.

Someone dig up Mueller and let's do another Russia investigation

What the Left calls "far right" is normal people who respect the constitution and want our government to operate as the Founders intended. There is nothing extreme about that.

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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yawn!

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BUDOS said:

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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yawn!

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scumbag

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BUDOS said:

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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yawn!

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scumbag

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yawn....wierdo....meanwhile your man crush lil Donnie JR is gonna get his arse hauled in front of congress as he should. Hunter said he'd be happy to sit right next to him.

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Perhaps too many times too many of us take the extreme elements of both extremes of the spectrum and wrongly use those stereotypes for the majority not at the extremes; after all, it's easier and stereotyping takes less cognitive skills.

An alternative might be to look at which legislators vote for what and the party with which they affiliate and see if a stereotype or certain political reality exists. Should we not focus more on that?

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Would you trade some corruption to allow more of the unborn children to live?

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yawn!

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scumbag

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oh, you mean the scumbag who has an adopted child? fool

You may have just assisted in making my point.

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Gee, it's almost as if the Trump family has suspiciously deep ties to Russia. If only someone had warned us about this when it could have mattered, maybe back in 2016...

Seriously, if this surprises you, what rock have you been living under for the last decade?

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The most impressive part of this post is the poster's ability to forget an entire decade of making excuses for politically connected family members the moment the last name changes. The same poster who waved away Hunter Biden collecting lucrative payments from a Ukrainian energy company suddenly rediscovers his concern about foreign money when the last name is Trump.

Apparently foreign money flowing to a politician's family is either evidence of corruption or a meaningless coincidence depending entirely on whose campaign sign is in the yard.

What's especially rich is that this comes from people who spent years promoting the Trump-Russia collusion narrative as if it were an established fact, only to watch investigation after investigation fail to prove the grand conspiracy that was breathlessly promised.

Taking foreign money should be bad, regardless of whether you have a D or an R in front of your candidacy.

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There is a significant difference between trading on your name (Hunter Biden) and getting billions in government contracts that your resume and history do not support.
The Trump's have drone and mining contracts with the government that could impact soldier safety.

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Is there?

Mitchy has always had his head up his azz when it comes to TDS

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HuMcK said:

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Gee, it's almost as if the Trump family has suspiciously deep ties to Russia. If only someone had warned us about this when it could have mattered, maybe back in 2016...

Seriously, if this surprises you, what rock have you been living under for the last decade?

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The most impressive part of this post is the poster's ability to forget an entire decade of making excuses for politically connected family members the moment the last name changes. The same poster who waved away Hunter Biden collecting lucrative payments from a Ukrainian energy company suddenly rediscovers his concern about foreign money when the last name is Trump.

Apparently foreign money flowing to a politician's family is either evidence of corruption or a meaningless coincidence depending entirely on whose campaign sign is in the yard.

What's especially rich is that this comes from people who spent years promoting the Trump-Russia collusion narrative as if it were an established fact, only to watch investigation after investigation fail to prove the grand conspiracy that was breathlessly promised.

Taking foreign money should be bad, regardless of whether you have a D or an R in front of your candidacy.

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There is a significant difference between trading on your name (Hunter Biden) and getting billions in government contracts that your resume and history do not support.
The Trump's have drone and mining contracts with the government that could impact soldier safety.

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Is there?

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Absolutely. If I were Warren Buffett's son and we wanted to do business, and my name gave me credibility (even if I sucked at business? That's a calculation you make freely.

If I'm Trump's son and use my name and connections to get government contracts, and my dad steers business to fill those contracts, and I suck at business? That's now steering public funds to contracts (corruption). You can further argue it's an unfair bidding process.

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You may have just assisted in making my point.

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We are probably mostly in agreement

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BUDOS said:

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You may have just assisted in making my point.

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We are probably mostly in agreement

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Agreed, It's just a matter of degree (said in humor)