TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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https://share.google/kFsfC7cMJWym5sSiZ

Get after it. Report all these sites, apps, forums, etc. and call law enforcement on them.

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You're wanting to excuse bad behavior (at best) by comparing apples with rocks.

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(1) Nice straw man. Point to my exact quote anywhere in this thread that excuses "bad" behavior.

(2) You stated people participating in drug and alcohol fueled group sex should should have law enforcement called and the activity broken up. Are you going to do something about that yourself or nah?

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A web site and observing something unfolding real time in your presence that you can intervene are not the same and I think you know that. I don't cruise those sites. However, when you visit those websites have you observed women being coerced or forced to have sex? If so, you should report it don't you think?

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You said law enforcement should be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up, you didn't mention whether or not anyone was being coerced or forced in the act.

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You didn't answer my question.

I think you can pretty much assume a woman drugged, intoxicated, in a room full of frat boys answering a call from text messages to come whip it *** that it is highly unlikely it was voluntary, or that she had the capacity to give consent. Non-consent is tantamount to force, coercion and rape. I would hope you didn't participate in anything like that while you were at Baylor.

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You moved the goal posts. Are you changing your position? Should police be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up?

Are you basing your opinion on this specific event on facts or your "assumption" of what is "highly unlikely"? Do both men and women have equal agency to consent to drug and alcohol use and have equal ability to consent under the influence?

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No goal post moved, you just don't like my answer. It's pretty clear if you were there you would have done nothing, at best.

I expressed my best opinion based upon what I understand of the situation. The courthouse should reveal the facts, and a judge and jury will have the opportunity to objectively weigh those facts and determine an outcome. I think those frat boys who participated are in real peril.

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Adding the stipulation that someone was "coerced" or "forced" to your original statement is absolutely moving the goalposts.

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TS playing dodgeball when actual practice of Ethics comes up.

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Learn something about ethics, then talk to me about it.

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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https://share.google/kFsfC7cMJWym5sSiZ

Get after it. Report all these sites, apps, forums, etc. and call law enforcement on them.

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You're wanting to excuse bad behavior (at best) by comparing apples with rocks.

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(1) Nice straw man. Point to my exact quote anywhere in this thread that excuses "bad" behavior.

(2) You stated people participating in drug and alcohol fueled group sex should should have law enforcement called and the activity broken up. Are you going to do something about that yourself or nah?

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A web site and observing something unfolding real time in your presence that you can intervene are not the same and I think you know that. I don't cruise those sites. However, when you visit those websites have you observed women being coerced or forced to have sex? If so, you should report it don't you think?

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You said law enforcement should be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up, you didn't mention whether or not anyone was being coerced or forced in the act.

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You didn't answer my question.

I think you can pretty much assume a woman drugged, intoxicated, in a room full of frat boys answering a call from text messages to come whip it *** that it is highly unlikely it was voluntary, or that she had the capacity to give consent. Non-consent is tantamount to force, coercion and rape. I would hope you didn't participate in anything like that while you were at Baylor.

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You moved the goal posts. Are you changing your position? Should police be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up?

Are you basing your opinion on this specific event on facts or your "assumption" of what is "highly unlikely"? Do both men and women have equal agency to consent to drug and alcohol use and have equal ability to consent under the influence?

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No goal post moved, you just don't like my answer. It's pretty clear if you were there you would have done nothing, at best.

I expressed my best opinion based upon what I understand of the situation. The courthouse should reveal the facts, and a judge and jury will have the opportunity to objectively weigh those facts and determine an outcome. I think those frat boys who participated are in real peril.

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Adding the stipulation that someone was "coerced" or "forced" to your original statement is absolutely moving the goalposts.

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Read what I said in context. Men lining up for sex with a woman who hasn't consented or doesn't have the capacity to consent is essentially being coerced, forced and raped. Why do you excuse their behavior?

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What's disturbing is that a text was sent to a group of men saying "free *****" and no one said "***" brothers. Instead, several of them showed up for some.

In 1987, I was at a party where a few of our boys tried to run a train on a 15-year-old girl instead of protecting her. They kept trying to explain to me that it was what she wanted.

My daddy always preached never being in a position where you have to explain yourself.

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What happened when you tried to stop it or report it?

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I stopped it because I could. Nothing happened afterwards.

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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90sBear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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https://share.google/kFsfC7cMJWym5sSiZ

Get after it. Report all these sites, apps, forums, etc. and call law enforcement on them.

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You're wanting to excuse bad behavior (at best) by comparing apples with rocks.

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(1) Nice straw man. Point to my exact quote anywhere in this thread that excuses "bad" behavior.

(2) You stated people participating in drug and alcohol fueled group sex should should have law enforcement called and the activity broken up. Are you going to do something about that yourself or nah?

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A web site and observing something unfolding real time in your presence that you can intervene are not the same and I think you know that. I don't cruise those sites. However, when you visit those websites have you observed women being coerced or forced to have sex? If so, you should report it don't you think?

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You said law enforcement should be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up, you didn't mention whether or not anyone was being coerced or forced in the act.

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You didn't answer my question.

I think you can pretty much assume a woman drugged, intoxicated, in a room full of frat boys answering a call from text messages to come whip it *** that it is highly unlikely it was voluntary, or that she had the capacity to give consent. Non-consent is tantamount to force, coercion and rape. I would hope you didn't participate in anything like that while you were at Baylor.

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You moved the goal posts. Are you changing your position? Should police be called on drug and alcohol fueled group sex and the activity broken up?

Are you basing your opinion on this specific event on facts or your "assumption" of what is "highly unlikely"? Do both men and women have equal agency to consent to drug and alcohol use and have equal ability to consent under the influence?

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No goal post moved, you just don't like my answer. It's pretty clear if you were there you would have done nothing, at best.

I expressed my best opinion based upon what I understand of the situation. The courthouse should reveal the facts, and a judge and jury will have the opportunity to objectively weigh those facts and determine an outcome. I think those frat boys who participated are in real peril.

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Adding the stipulation that someone was "coerced" or "forced" to your original statement is absolutely moving the goalposts.

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Read what I said in context. Men lining up for sex with a woman who hasn't consented or doesn't have the capacity to consent is essentially being coerced, forced and raped. Why do you excuse their behavior?

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Still moving the goal posts from your original statement.
Still battling straw men.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TS playing dodgeball when actual practice of Ethics comes up.

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Learn something about ethics, then talk to me about it.

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I have studied ethics many times. Certainly enough to observe you don't practice them.

"the university’s health authority, Cornell Health, authored a guide titled Sexual Pleasure: Finding the 'Sweet Spot'...declaring that sex can make for a 'terrific study break.' Students are encouraged to explore sexual fantasies and consider fetish gear" https://t.co/o3uWGjRSmh

— Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) October 10, 2026

TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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So I will attempt to explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

First, it's odd that the ultra-left has made this a weird political issue and dispensed Talking Points. It is a local story with no bearing on the world, but yet it has become oddly tribal.

Second, let me set up a basic framework: people that are intellectual and rational let the facts shape the narrative; people that are emotional and irrational let the narrative shape the facts.

Third, one of the mutually exclusive realities below must be true:
1. You're a sexist and paternalistic misogynist who believes that women are inferior emotionally and intellectually and lack the same agency ability as their male counterparts.
2. Women are sexually liberated and can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

You will not pick one because it causes you to actually define a specific position. However, your inability to do so continues to reveal to the board that you're an anti-scientific, emotional, tribal extremist.

Intellectuals try to explain these simple things to you guys, but we are continually flummoxed by your anti-intellectualism ... but I will try and post it very simply: we are confused because you continually preach sexual liberation and no sexual ethics and then feign outrage when it occurs. You're just not intelligent or serious people.

What’s so fascinating about this case to me is we’re learning that consent in the feminist mind is an onion with many layers.

It’s all ultimately pointless tho—for these women if someone says rape there is simply no fact that could ever counter it. There is no iron clad consent. https://t.co/CrMBZ3Pqtl

— Cadbury Cream James 🐣 (@James_PA10) October 10, 2026

Mitch Blood Green said:

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What's disturbing is that a text was sent to a group of men saying "free *****" and no one said "***" brothers. Instead, several of them showed up for some.

In 1987, I was at a party where a few of our boys tried to run a train on a 15-year-old girl instead of protecting her. They kept trying to explain to me that it was what she wanted.

My daddy always preached never being in a position where you have to explain yourself.

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What happened when you tried to stop it or report it?

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I stopped it because I could. Nothing happened afterwards.

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You did the right thing. I respect you for doing that. So many would have done nothing.

Just notice - when you ask the ultra-leftists specifics they cannot answer and tuck their tails and run.

This is going to raise questions for NYT. They reported on these texts but did not report on Jane Doe referring to the incident as a "gangbang" before adding, "our body our choice." The NYT story appeared to be based on the Title IX investigation docs. These texts are not in the… https://t.co/gJZzbzyU3W pic.twitter.com/RGmUcnEyKa

— Emily Jashinsky (@emilyjashinsky) October 8, 2026

Forest Bueller III said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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I 100% agree with this and for the people who have done a deep dive of research, they would know one guy did exactly that, he came in and shut it down. May have seen the group text invite and decided to do something about it.

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He did not, however, report anything to law enforcement.

Y'all keep pounding away on the straw man that people who, based on every fact they have read so far, don't think what happened meets the legal definition of rape means they think what went down was fine and dandy.

Multiple students were expelled or suspended and the fraternity was permanently kicked off campus. I haven't seen anyone criticizing Cornell for that given they were taking illegal drugs and the text sent out was repugnant.

Forest Bueller III said:

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90sBear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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I 100% agree with this and for the people who have done a deep dive of research, they would know one guy did exactly that, he came in and shut it down. May have seen the group text invite and decided to do something about it.

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He did not, however, report anything to law enforcement.

Y'all keep pounding away on the straw man that people who, based on every fact they have read so far, don't think what happened meets the legal definition of rape means they think what went down was fine and dandy.

Multiple students were expelled or suspended and the fraternity was permanently kicked off campus. I haven't seen anyone criticizing Cornell for that given they were taking illegal drugs and the text sent out was repugnant.

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What the hell are you freaking talking about. I think every person involved including Jane Doe should have been expelled from school for drug use, underaged drinking, and using school property for totally depraved activity. Snorting ketamine off a cock, having a threesome, drinking until you pass out and vomit, have literally no place at places of Higher Education. Cornell supported and even put out materials about how sexual activity on campus was stress relievers from the stresses of being students, I blame the University as well.

I don't think it reached criminal rape status to where people should spend years in prison, but there is absolutely nothing fine and dandy about what transpired and believe all students involved should have been removed from the campus as students.

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My mistake and apologies.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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What's disturbing is that a text was sent to a group of men saying "free *****" and no one said "***" brothers. Instead, several of them showed up for some.

In 1987, I was at a party where a few of our boys tried to run a train on a 15-year-old girl instead of protecting her. They kept trying to explain to me that it was what she wanted.

My daddy always preached never being in a position where you have to explain yourself.

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What happened when you tried to stop it or report it?

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I stopped it because I could. Nothing happened afterwards.

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You did the right thing. I respect you for doing that. So many would have done nothing.

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i will ask you another question you cannot answer:

Do you think women are not equal to men and are not able to make sexual decisions?

We know you cannot answer - but it's just another example of you're being a moron.

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Clearly you don't think they're equal. The facts of this case will be presented at trial and we'll find out if she gave consent.

Tell me, why do you think a woman who is under the influence of alcohol and drugs should be free game by open invitation of your frat boys? That's not equality.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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So I will attempt to explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

First, it's odd that the ultra-left has made this a weird political issue and dispensed Talking Points. It is a local story with no bearing on the world, but yet it has become oddly tribal.

Second, let me set up a basic framework: people that are intellectual and rational let the facts shape the narrative; people that are emotional and irrational let the narrative shape the facts.

Third, one of the mutually exclusive realities below must be true:
1. You're a sexist and paternalistic misogynist who believes that women are inferior emotionally and intellectually and lack the same agency ability as their male counterparts.
2. Women are sexually liberated and can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

You will not pick one because it causes you to actually define a specific position. However, your inability to do so continues to reveal to the board that you're an anti-scientific, emotional, tribal extremist.

Intellectuals try to explain these simple things to you guys, but we are continually flummoxed by your anti-intellectualism ... but I will try and post it very simply: we are confused because you continually preach sexual liberation and no sexual ethics and then feign outrage when it occurs. You're just not intelligent or serious people.

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Your premise is wrong, and your arguments smack of incel fantasy.

David French says that if you get a text like the one the Chi Phi brothers got, you should intervene.

Just pointing out that that’s what Scott Kretzschmar did, according to the 99-page Cornell report.

He and Scott Norris went to the alumni room after getting the text because “I… https://t.co/5Tkon9Yrn4 pic.twitter.com/GNdoSCMW0w

— Helen Andrews (@herandrews) October 12, 2026

Here is a great article about how the left-wing media shapes narratives via disinformation in this particular case. So the question remains: how many times do they have to lie to the American people and LWNJs still believe their propaganda.

"Our body our choice," Cornell's Jane Doe wrote in a text exchange with one of the seven men she has accused of sexually assaulting her during a 2024 encounter, according to screenshots published this week by TMZ. Doe, who now claims she was raped, casually described the incident as a "gangbang" in the message sent days after it took place.

But those comments, which cast further doubt on Doe's claim that her participation was involuntary, are missing from articles published by The New York Times and CBS New York that were based on the same text thread. Both The Times and CBS New York reported on a text exchange between Doe and Jonathan Newell a man she would later accuse of rape in which she reassured him that none of the sexual activities they engaged in were illegal.

Citing that text exchange, The Times reported that Newell apologized "for how things went down the other night" and for not "shut[ting] it down and kick[ing] people out before it got way out of hand."
The Times report continued:

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Jane Doe replied and reassured him.
"At the end of the day non of the sexual stuff was illegal and honestly i really liked being w u and matt," she wrote.
A lawyer for Mr. Newell did not respond to requests for comment. A lawyer for Mr. Ingalls declined to comment.

The next day, on Oct. 22, Jane Doe made an appointment at Cornell Health to see a doctor because she had contracted a urinary tract infection and wanted to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases. She told the doctor she contracted the U.T.I. "in a traumatic way," according to a transcript of her conversation with investigators.

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The Times ended its quote from the text message with "…u and matt." Readers may have believed that that's how the actual message ended.

Two days prior, Mahsa Saeidi of CBS New York, an affiliate station of CBS News, wrote a story entitled "Exclusive text messages reveal new details in alleged gang rape at Cornell University." Saeidi reportedly "received new screenshots from a source."

Saeidi quoted some of the same snippets of the exchange as The Times, including Doe's admission that "non[e] of the sexual stuff was illegal" and that Doe liked being with the two men.

But neither The Times nor Saeidi included other crucial portions of that same message: Doe calling the activity a "gangbang" and reassuring Newell that their decisions were "our body our choice."
The full Oct. 21 text from Doe to Newell shows one continuous message, according to TMZ:

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aw jonathan i really appreciate this text. my memories super clouded too. i think we were all way to [redacted] drunk and high. i'm getting a little heat (pi phi girls ([redacted] and [redacted]) can't get my name out of their mouth)) but that's to be expected. but at the end of the day non[e] of the sexual stuff was illegal and honestly I really liked being w u and Matt. so anything anyone has to say about the gangbang is out of their jurisdiction. I don't think we should feel any shame for the part. our body our choice asf…

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When The Federalist asked CBS New York whether Saeidi had reviewed the entire text exchange, a CBS New York spokeswoman said she had. "Our reporter reviewed the full text exchange before publishing, and our editorial decisions reflected that review," the spokeswoman said when pressed to answer why key portions like Doe's "our body our choice" comment had been left out. "We also included her attorney's explanation and gave our audience the context necessary to understand why some of those messages may be disputed," she added.

Asked the same questions, The New York Times did not respond. However, in its story, Times reporters indicated that their reporting was based on "detailed filings collected during the private Title IX proceedings hundreds of pages of emails, text messages, photographs and interviews with Jane Doe, her friends and those she accused."

The Federalist also asked a spokesman for CBS News whether the national media outfit stands by the reporting of its local affiliate, but CBS News declined to provide an on-the-record response.

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The only things the Dems are good at are lying snd projection. They have decades of experience. And there are far too many Americans willing to believe them.

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That is what really fascinates me about how the ultra-left views the world ... it's like a make-believe land. Without a hint of irony or self-awareness, they can at the same time proclaim:
1. Men and women are 100% the same
2. There should be no sexual morality
3. A drunk girl asking for four threesomes was raped

You cannot make it up.

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You do understand that if you are "for" sexual morality, the men could have declined to participate? There seems to be a ton of things we don't know, and I am not saying the men should be prosecuted. I am saying that if what the men did was legal, it was still immoral. So I don't understand why the right is so eager to see them as victims.

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I would ask you to share what "we don't know," but we know specifics are always the Kryptonite to the radical left.

For anyone that has a basic functioning brain, the men are victims because they are being attacked by a national lynch mob and uniquely prosecuted by the state of New York for the crime or participating in multiple legal sex acts with a woman who actively wanted to "sexually liberate" herself."

I know you're have a rough day with the synapses firing, but this is actually really simple.

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In some regards, it doesn't matter what we don't know. Common sense should tell you, the frat boys, and any 'casual observer' that an environment laced with alcohol, drugs, text invitation messaging, a female and multiple men having sex is ripe for non-consensual allegations, and should be avoided, reported in real time to law enforcement, and stopped if possible.

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So I will attempt to explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

First, it's odd that the ultra-left has made this a weird political issue and dispensed Talking Points. It is a local story with no bearing on the world, but yet it has become oddly tribal.

Second, let me set up a basic framework: people that are intellectual and rational let the facts shape the narrative; people that are emotional and irrational let the narrative shape the facts.

Third, one of the mutually exclusive realities below must be true:
1. You're a sexist and paternalistic misogynist who believes that women are inferior emotionally and intellectually and lack the same agency ability as their male counterparts.
2. Women are sexually liberated and can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

You will not pick one because it causes you to actually define a specific position. However, your inability to do so continues to reveal to the board that you're an anti-scientific, emotional, tribal extremist.

Intellectuals try to explain these simple things to you guys, but we are continually flummoxed by your anti-intellectualism ... but I will try and post it very simply: we are confused because you continually preach sexual liberation and no sexual ethics and then feign outrage when it occurs. You're just not intelligent or serious people.

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Your premise is wrong, and your arguments smack of incel fantasy.

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Incorrect. Your lack of principles makes it impossible for you to make consistent arguments. One minute women are equal and the next minute they need protection by men. As noted, you're more concerned with narrative than facts and as usual taking an oddly tribal position for something that needs to not be.

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I find it laughable when you talk about principles. The idea that you think a woman who is intoxicated, under the influence of drugs with a group of frat boys lining up for sex is acceptable on the grounds of good moral principles is despicable.