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I love that this is a debate. Hot take here, but I hope it was a republican op. Hilarious if so. Brilliant strategy and it will be amazing to watch the left freak out about it when it is literally a piece outlining stances they have openly and publicly taken on many occasions. But reminding republican voters of these unhinged positions right before an election is BAD BAD BAD! How dare republicans educate the voter base on what our positions actually are?
There is a democrat running for governor here in Oklahoma named Cyndi Munson, which to me is a very stripperish way of spelling Cindy. I keep seeing signs around town in peoples yards that are green (not blue) and say "Republicans for Cyndi Munson." No mention of her being a democrat. I guarantee every single person with that sign in their yard is a registered democrat who hasn't voted republican in decades. But they're trying to give the impression she's a palatable candidate for republicans or just to outright fool people she is a republican. It's the same tactic in different clothes.
Perhaps some dem backed organization did send the mailers. Perhaps those radicals sent it to sabotage Talarico for backing off his previous full throated support of their crazy positions. Perhaps it was a brilliant republican strategy. The end result will likely be the same no matter who sent it. But the democrats full on sprint to get to the bottom of it because it makes them look bad when it's literally things from their stated platform is pure comedy.
That was the point made earlier in the thread: the flyer is literally taken word-for-word from the group's web site. It is not like it was exaggerated. And all the links go to actual Groomer sites praised by the LWNJs. So there is something funny to the fact that the LWNJs are outraged that their beliefs were publicized. I mean Kim Klan Krawford acting like he would "outranged" if his children received while supporting pro-Groomer activities.
The reverse is more true. If the right is horrified by transgender recruitment, it would be pretty stupid of them to be doing the recruiting.
Unless, of course, they knew that there is no such thing and they are using ot for cheap political fodder.
If there was no such thing then both parties would be on the same page. The Dems put themselves on the 10% side of this issue.
The simplest question to ask yourself is this: Which party has consistently cheated to win elections? That is the party behind the talking points.
The GOP has been trying to rig elections for the past quarter-century by making it more difficult to vote. That effort swamps anything Democrats have done. Besides that, I doubt the Trump-aligned printer here was chosen by a bunch of liberals. And as you point out, this is an issue that liberals do not want to stress. So why would they? Finally, it is the liberals who are digging for facts-the right has no interest in investigating.
How have Republicans made it harder to vote?
Providing ID is not an example.
Unequivocally yes. Why do you think there are campaigns against mail-in voting and early voting? Why the closure of polling places? Why make it so hard to get an ID that satisfies voter ID laws? Why all the signature laws? Why no drop boxes?
In addition to that, Trump, in particular (won't tar the whole GOP with this), has done his level best to wreck Americans' faith in our democratic procedures, which is a huge disincentive to vote.
There are many things I agree with the GOP about, but the constant assault on democracy, without evidence and logic, is the one reason I can't bring myself to vote for any of them.
None of those make it harder to vote.
They make it harder to cheat.
That is all.
Voting should be done in person where you have to prove who you are. Not a mail in ballot where one person could easily fill out 100 and mail them in.
Polling places get closed for a number of reasons like hard to get to, not enough poll workers, etc.
Voting should NEVER be allowed to be done as a drop box, mail in, etc.
So yeah you have failed to provide one example of how it is harder to vote due to Republicans. All you have done is provide evidence of how it is harder for the Dems to cheat.
If you make it so everyine has to go to the polls on one day and reduce the number of polling places-which you admit is the goal--you make voting immeasurably harder. Saying anything else is just really, really stupid. And pollng places get closed for one reason--restricted access.
Study after rstudy and lawsuit after lawsuit: we do not have a problem with illegal voting. It is made up BS from the GOP, racheted to a new level by Trump. For consumption by rubes.
Where did I say one day????? Oh that's right I didn't. So that is a flat out lie.
I said no mail in.
As usual a lib wants to argue about things that haven't been said, make up what the argument of the other person is and spread lies.
I never admitted the goal was to close polling places. That is a flat out lie.
so that is two you told in your response......
We do have a problem with illegal voting. I provided one to you but you dismissed it because YOU don't want to believe it.
WE have a cheating problem. That is 100% proven by every illegal vote cast (illegal as in not allowed not illegal alien voting). But you and others don't want to investigate further and always dismiss it with "well it was just one person, or just this one person that cheated on 100 ballots" or some other EXCUSE as to why it isn't a big deal.
The 2020 election is another example of massive cheating. No way that election had that many people vote. More than any other election before it or since. But again people like you don't want to investigate it or dismiss any evidence found as "minor"
Now feel free to continue your lying.
I am not lying-you are avoding the truth. When you asked for examples of the GOP making it harder to vote I included "campaigns against mail in and early voting." That is a verbatim quote, by the way. And I did not make it up. Here is one link: https://carnegie.org/article/13-barriers-voting/ And that link happens to mention the many other ways tha the GOP is making it harder to vote.
And it might not be your goal to close polling places, but it is the GOP's goal and practice. Look no further than Tarrant County.
Cognitive dissonance can be difficult. But facts are facts. The GOP has engaged in a long campaign to make voting more difficult and to discount votes not cast in person on election day as illegitmate, with no evidence behind it. Period, end of story.
Yes you are lying. Here are your EXACT words. WHICH YOU ADMIT IS THE GOAL.
So you are claiming I said something that I did not say.
That is lying.
Flat out.
Trying to post a bunch of links to other things is just trying to cover your tracks.
You said it directed at me.... not the GOP.
So yes it is a LIE.
Then you also told another one by claiming I wanted only one day of voting.
So yes a bunch of lies.
Again posting links to things (that are lies actually) does not make your lying ok.
But you will come back and lie again to further avoid the fact you lied about what I said.
So you are the only one lacking cognitive dissonance here.
You lied and that is all I need to know about you. That you lie about people who you disagree with.
Liar.
You make an excellent kindergartener.
Perhaps when you get to high school you will learn what "cognitive dissonance" is. But here is a hint-when you say that I lack cognitive dissonance, you are saying I have the ability to admit facts that do not coincide with my position or belief system. You complimented me without knowing it.
Apparently, however, you think disagreeing with you equals lying. It doesn't.
A quick review-you asked me for exanples of how the GOP made voting harder. I gave them to you-boatloads of them. One of them is the campaign against early voting. Your response was that none of thise things made voting harder-which is just dumb. Obviously, less places to vote, shorter time periods to vote, mandatory in-person voting, voter ID laws when it is difficult to get an ID--they all make voting harder.
Your next response was that it should be that way, I guess because of non-existent voter fraud problems that, if they did occur, are already illegal. (As an aside, the felony thing turns out to be a good deterrent). You and the Republican party want to limit voting to in-person, election day voting because that is where the GOP has the biggest advantage.
The best example is Trump's insistence that shifts in vote totals that differ significantly from day of voting are "fraud." You are for all that BS. You drank the vote fraud kool aid. As someone who likes democracy,
But if your position really is that early voting and more polling places are good, why are you defending a party that clearly acts the opposite?
