FormerFlash said:

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During my time at Baylor I worked directly with Kevin Jackson for several years. I know him to be a thoughtful leader, a caring Christian, and committed to the success of Baylor University and it's students. He is a good man. Let's stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater and jumping to the conclusion that anyone who was there at that time should be immediately ousted with no proof or insinuation they even did anything wrong.

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This. The man was just doing his job.


As far as Livingston, it's not always what you say, but how you say it. She probably crafted her wording to be accepted by the academic community and not the average Baylor Alum.

Probably better if she just said nothing at this point.

But, because there have been 5 rapes reported in short order at Baylor, and a Baylor sorority posted an Instagram of themselves jumping around singing the "N" word in a rap song, she probably felt the need to bring it up.

Forest Bueller said:

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FormerFlash said:

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During my time at Baylor I worked directly with Kevin Jackson for several years. I know him to be a thoughtful leader, a caring Christian, and committed to the success of Baylor University and it's students. He is a good man. Let's stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater and jumping to the conclusion that anyone who was there at that time should be immediately ousted with no proof or insinuation they even did anything wrong.

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This. The man was just doing his job.


As far as Livingston, it's not always what you say, but how you say it. She probably crafted her wording to be accepted by the academic community and not the average Baylor Alum.

Probably better if she just said nothing at this point.

But, because there have been 5 rapes reported in short order at Baylor, and a Baylor sorority posted an Instagram of themselves jumping around singing the "N" word in a rap song, she probably felt the need to bring it up.

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It didnt sound like it was crafted at all let alone for the academic community. It was poorly worded.

The proper thing to say was the scandal happened. It is in the past, while it does not define who we are or even who we were, it is an experience we have learned lessons from to guide us now and in the future.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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We are Baylor. Rape and sexual assault is a part of who we will always be. That being said, please send your daughters and sons and money. Now let us pray..............

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Stop it! We are also about domestic violence too. But, mostly we are all about allegations; that's who we are; it's in our DNA. Don't believe me? www.ancestry.com I hate it when we get short changed.

Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

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No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

BellCountyBear said:

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I thought the Livingstone hire was smart when it happened. Now I think she's passed her expiration date.

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Oh my gosh

Florda_mike said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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I agree with you, and suspect Livingstone does, as well. Maybe "part of our history" would have been a better phrase, followed by how we learn from it.

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But this how Baylor markets itself unfortunately

People that can't sell don't need to be in positions to sell the university

Unfortunately she is

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If only she was as smart as you

bularry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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I agree with you, and suspect Livingstone does, as well. Maybe "part of our history" would have been a better phrase, followed by how we learn from it.

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But this how Baylor markets itself unfortunately

People that can't sell don't need to be in positions to sell the university

Unfortunately she is

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If only she was as smart as you

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He's a great representative of that Tceh degree

bularry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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But this how Baylor markets itself unfortunately

People that can't sell don't need to be in positions to sell the university

Unfortunately she is

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If only she was as smart as you

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Due tell!

DioNoZeus said:

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bularry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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I agree with you, and suspect Livingstone does, as well. Maybe "part of our history" would have been a better phrase, followed by how we learn from it.

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But this how Baylor markets itself unfortunately

People that can't sell don't need to be in positions to sell the university

Unfortunately she is

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If only she was as smart as you

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He's a great representative of that Tceh degree

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Typical snot NoZ kid response

Thread justifies that often women lack what it takes to be president of much of anything

bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

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No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

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Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

bularry said:

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Florda_mike said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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I agree with you, and suspect Livingstone does, as well. Maybe "part of our history" would have been a better phrase, followed by how we learn from it.

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But this how Baylor markets itself unfortunately

People that can't sell don't need to be in positions to sell the university

Unfortunately she is

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If only she was as smart as you

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That Oklahoma State degree seems to be serving her well!

BaylorOkie said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think what she is trying to say is that it is part of our history and we will draw lessons from it now and in the future. Why she didn't just say it that way, I have no idea. We are terrible at messaging.

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But that is how she said it:

"What happened will always be a part of who we are at Baylor. It will always be a part of our story. It will always be a part of what influences and informs the decisions that we make."

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I struggle to see how anyone can have a problem with what she said here. I would be far more disturbed if we didn't view this episode in our history this way, learn from it and have those lessons guide our decision-making going forward.

bear2be2 said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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PartyBear said:

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I think what she is trying to say is that it is part of our history and we will draw lessons from it now and in the future. Why she didn't just say it that way, I have no idea. We are terrible at messaging.

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But that is how she said it:

"What happened will always be a part of who we are at Baylor. It will always be a part of our story. It will always be a part of what influences and informs the decisions that we make."

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I struggle to see how anyone can have a problem with what she said here. I would be far more disturbed if we didn't view this episode in our history this way, learn from it and have those lessons guide our decision-making going forward.

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We still have corrupt BOR's so we really haven't learned.

FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

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No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

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Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come up for air every once in a while.

bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

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Groupthink lmao. Buddy, it's you that falls in line with the majority.

Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

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Groupthink lmao. Buddy, it's you that falls in line with the majority.

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Depends on the issue. But that's life for a free-thinking, open-minded, truth-seeking individual.

bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

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Groupthink lmao. Buddy, it's you that falls in line with the majority.

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Depends on the issue. But that's life for a free-thinking, open-minded, truth-seeking individual.

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

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Groupthink lmao. Buddy, it's you that falls in line with the majority.

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Depends on the issue. But that's life for a free-thinking, open-minded, truth-seeking individual.

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Some of my opinions fall in line with the majority. Many do not. But all are my own and arrived at through objective and honest deliberation of the facts and a good faith quest for the truth. The actual truth, not the one my political ideology and the media outlets strategically slanted toward my world view tell me I should believe.

bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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I agree with your post. I misread the post I was responding to. I thought he was challenging the well know fact that college campuses are absolutely dominated by left wing faculty, not that he was speaking about Baylor in particular. Hence why the article I linked was about faculty nationally. My mistake. That being said, I certainly hope Baylor has the fortitude to stand by it's Christian heritage forever. Most major universities have failed in that task.

bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

---

Oh, please, due tell

---

Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

---

No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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It will be. That's the trend.

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No it won't. That's right-wing radio hysteria. Some you need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and Chris Plante long enough to come for air every once in a while.

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Don't be naive.

TCU recently made this transition and there is no reason why it won't eventually happen at Baylor.

Are you a lefty?

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Nope, not a "lefty." I have no use for partisan hackery on either side of the American political aisle.

And no offense, but I don't need anyone whose opinions are as unbelievably predictable as yours on virtually every topic to lecture me on groupthink or naivety.

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Groupthink lmao. Buddy, it's you that falls in line with the majority.

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Depends on the issue. But that's life for a free-thinking, open-minded, truth-seeking individual.

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Have the courtesy to give others the benefit of that doubt. A different opinion than your freely arrived upon conclusion does not necessarily indicate the holder of that opinion is simply listening to Rush drone on 24/7. You were very quick to malign other opinions on this thread. The reality that Doc is referring to is certainly not implausible given the collegiate landscape in our country. As of right now, Baylor is a part of a very small minority. I think most on this board hope they stay that way, but history has shown very few do.

ILLUMINATE!!!!

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ILLUMINATE!!!!

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Where the lights shine bright!

...except for our findings of facts. That stays dark.

Doc Holliday said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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ILLUMINATE!!!!

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Where the lights shine bright!

...except for our findings of facts. That stays dark.

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Almost four years now and still no facts. Baylor University has still not been honest with their alumni. I really don't expect that to change anytime soon.

FormerFlash said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FormerFlash said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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bularry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Marxism killed Baylor.

I'm not even joking.

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Oh, please, due tell

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Radical leftist professors and administrators are beginning to indoctrinate Baylor students.

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No different than any college since forever


And I liked just about all my professors and didn't know of any that were "radical left".
But keep your unsubstantiated hysteria alive

---

Unsubstantiated? This is common knowledge. You're an idiot if you deny it. This took me all of 4 seconds to google.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

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Baylor University is not inundated with radical left professors. The assertion is frankly laughable.

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I agree with your post. I misread the post I was responding to. I thought he was challenging the well know fact that college campuses are absolutely dominated by left wing faculty, not that he was speaking about Baylor in particular. Hence why the article I linked was about faculty nationally. My mistake. That being said, I certainly hope Baylor has the fortitude to stand by it's Christian heritage forever. Most major universities have failed in that task.

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This is a very factual statement. Underlining "most Universities have failed in that task".