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Make Racism Wrong Again
Agreed. The Democratic Party, which benefited from slavery, KKK, white supremacy and racism for decades wouldn't exist today without the support from the people that believed in those despicable beliefs. Many would argue it's those same beliefs that drive the current democratic plantation movement. It's just surprising that idiots on the left that claim we shouldn't forget history, so blindly forget history in their continuing support of the most racist, large organization in our history.cinque said:
Slavery did more more than just enslave black people. It cemented white supremacy in the social fabric of culture, the residue of which still looms large 154 years later.
Good points. As far as white supremacy "looming large" in today's world - what a complete joke. There are probably more people in the USA wearing tinfoil hats and thinking that extra terrestrials telepathically communicate with them than there are confirmed "white supremacists". As a scare tactic to keep African Americans voting democrat (which is ALL it is), it's really beyond old.contrario said:Agreed. The Democratic Party, which benefited from slavery, KKK, white supremacy and racism for decades wouldn't exist today without the support from the people that believed in those despicable beliefs. Many would argue it's those same beliefs that drive the current democratic plantation movement. It's just surprising that idiots on the left that claim we shouldn't forget history, so blindly forget history in their continuing support of the most racist, large organization in our history.cinque said:
Slavery did more more than just enslave black people. It cemented white supremacy in the social fabric of culture, the residue of which still looms large 154 years later.
When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
Johnny Bear said:
Newsflash: Slavery ended 154 years ago.
I'm not in any shape, form, or fashion implying "forget history". On the contrary, I think one of the huge ongoing problems in our country is widespread ignorance of our nation's history (and I'm talking about ALL of our history - much of which is pretty doggone glorious). Obviously an ugly part of it is the fact that slavery existed, but the good news is in was vanquished and it ended - again 154 years ago. Nobody alive today has ever been a legal slave in the USA. Nobody alive today has parents who were ever legal slaves in the USA. Almost nobody alive today has grandparents who were slaves (especially if you're under 100 years old). Other than to deliberately keep as many people in the black community bitter and angry (a habitual leftist tactic to keep as many black voters as possible on the democrat plantation), why is it that this topic keeps coming up as if slavery went away a couple of years ago?
I have relatives still alive who worked their asses off as domestics and don't have Social Security.blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
Huh?????tommie said:Johnny Bear said:
Newsflash: Slavery ended 154 years ago.
I'm not in any shape, form, or fashion implying "forget history". On the contrary, I think one of the huge ongoing problems in our country is widespread ignorance of our nation's history (and I'm talking about ALL of our history - much of which is pretty doggone glorious). Obviously an ugly part of it is the fact that slavery existed, but the good news is in was vanquished and it ended - again 154 years ago. Nobody alive today has ever been a legal slave in the USA. Nobody alive today has parents who were ever legal slaves in the USA. Almost nobody alive today has grandparents who were slaves (especially if you're under 100 years old). Other than to deliberately keep as many people in the black community bitter and angry (a habitual leftist tactic to keep as many black voters as possible on the democrat plantation), why is it that this topic keeps coming up as if slavery went away a couple of years ago?
****ing my ex ended on my wedding night. Should I stop paying alimony and child support?
Johnny Bear said:Huh?????tommie said:Johnny Bear said:
Newsflash: Slavery ended 154 years ago.
I'm not in any shape, form, or fashion implying "forget history". On the contrary, I think one of the huge ongoing problems in our country is widespread ignorance of our nation's history (and I'm talking about ALL of our history - much of which is pretty doggone glorious). Obviously an ugly part of it is the fact that slavery existed, but the good news is in was vanquished and it ended - again 154 years ago. Nobody alive today has ever been a legal slave in the USA. Nobody alive today has parents who were ever legal slaves in the USA. Almost nobody alive today has grandparents who were slaves (especially if you're under 100 years old). Other than to deliberately keep as many people in the black community bitter and angry (a habitual leftist tactic to keep as many black voters as possible on the democrat plantation), why is it that this topic keeps coming up as if slavery went away a couple of years ago?
****ing my ex ended on my wedding night. Should I stop paying alimony and child support?
If that is supposed to be some sort of reference to the "reparations issue", forget it. Over 360,000 Union troops (the vast majority were white) died during the War Between the States. Any "reparations" got paid in blood, with interest, a long, long time ago as well. It's history. Yes, let's learn from it, but let's also celebrate the fact that it ended a long time ago and it is only an "issue" today to the extent that the left uses it as a tactic to deliberately deceive as many black voters as possible into believing that it somehow still negatively impacts their lives in the 21st Century.
Don't disagree with what you said. But I (nor anyone else posting on this board) still can't control any actions, thoughts, or beliefs done or held by my ancestors. Just as my kids can't control what I do or think today. We can certainly learn from their stories (as your example provides). But from cinque's post it sounded like there was a vote to deny black domestic workers access to social security. I was merely asking when that vote was taken in order to put it into more context compared on where we are today. Certainly we all have heard of or seen "employers" not following the law to pay social security taxes for their employees, even today....and that isn't limited to any particular race, both employer and employee.tommie said:blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
Black, your question missing connective tissue. I grew up in a very diverse community. As a kid, I knew kids whose grandparents were Holocaust survivors. (And learning from them has has a profound impact on me. I also had friends who had a direct tie to Poland and Ireland and Yugoslavia and Vietnam.
I don't understand why my decent from slaves is diminished while Gannon's decent from the Irish is celebrated. My gut is shame but who knows?
My criticism is not just at whites but blacks who forget they are decedents of slaves and with that is a requirement to uplift those who fought for their rights to vote and strive and be educated.
And southerners who don't get that there is a shared culture that goes back not 154 years but 400 years.
tommie said:Johnny Bear said:Huh?????tommie said:Johnny Bear said:
Newsflash: Slavery ended 154 years ago.
I'm not in any shape, form, or fashion implying "forget history". On the contrary, I think one of the huge ongoing problems in our country is widespread ignorance of our nation's history (and I'm talking about ALL of our history - much of which is pretty doggone glorious). Obviously an ugly part of it is the fact that slavery existed, but the good news is in was vanquished and it ended - again 154 years ago. Nobody alive today has ever been a legal slave in the USA. Nobody alive today has parents who were ever legal slaves in the USA. Almost nobody alive today has grandparents who were slaves (especially if you're under 100 years old). Other than to deliberately keep as many people in the black community bitter and angry (a habitual leftist tactic to keep as many black voters as possible on the democrat plantation), why is it that this topic keeps coming up as if slavery went away a couple of years ago?
****ing my ex ended on my wedding night. Should I stop paying alimony and child support?
If that is supposed to be some sort of reference to the "reparations issue", forget it. Over 360,000 Union troops (the vast majority were white) died during the War Between the States. Any "reparations" got paid in blood, with interest, a long, long time ago as well. It's history. Yes, let's learn from it, but let's also celebrate the fact that it ended a long time ago and it is only an "issue" today to the extent that the left uses it as a tactic to deliberately deceive as many black voters as possible into believing that it somehow still negatively impacts their lives in the 21st Century.
Willis, I don't know what you're talking about.
As for the amazing sacrifice my yanks paid in the civil war. They didn't die to end slavery. They died because southerners were willing to fight to keep slaves.
Ending slavery could have been done without any blood shed. Zero Brits or Canadians does to end slavery in their countries.
Yet, you wanted HRC to be elected.cinque said:I have relatives still alive who worked their asses off as domestics and don't have Social Security.blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
Explain to me what was racist about her busting the chops of somebody misidentifying Eric Holder as Corey Booker?Pat Neff said:Yet, you wanted HRC to be elected.cinque said:I have relatives still alive who worked their asses off as domestics and don't have Social Security.blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
May I remind you of her prejudice?Here she goes again.
Dude, it may be time for you to quit this game, as you keep being wrong every time you post.
cinque said:Explain to me what was racist about her busting the chops of somebody misidentifying Eric Holder as Corey Booker?Pat Neff said:Yet, you wanted HRC to be elected.cinque said:I have relatives still alive who worked their asses off as domestics and don't have Social Security.blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
May I remind you of her prejudice?Here she goes again.
Dude, it may be time for you to quit this game, as you keep being wrong every time you post.
I know this apparently a difficult concept to you, but she outright said all black people look alike to her. Says all we need to know about you and your views as you continue to support HRC.
JXL said:tommie said:Johnny Bear said:Huh?????tommie said:Johnny Bear said:
Newsflash: Slavery ended 154 years ago.
I'm not in any shape, form, or fashion implying "forget history". On the contrary, I think one of the huge ongoing problems in our country is widespread ignorance of our nation's history (and I'm talking about ALL of our history - much of which is pretty doggone glorious). Obviously an ugly part of it is the fact that slavery existed, but the good news is in was vanquished and it ended - again 154 years ago. Nobody alive today has ever been a legal slave in the USA. Nobody alive today has parents who were ever legal slaves in the USA. Almost nobody alive today has grandparents who were slaves (especially if you're under 100 years old). Other than to deliberately keep as many people in the black community bitter and angry (a habitual leftist tactic to keep as many black voters as possible on the democrat plantation), why is it that this topic keeps coming up as if slavery went away a couple of years ago?
****ing my ex ended on my wedding night. Should I stop paying alimony and child support?
If that is supposed to be some sort of reference to the "reparations issue", forget it. Over 360,000 Union troops (the vast majority were white) died during the War Between the States. Any "reparations" got paid in blood, with interest, a long, long time ago as well. It's history. Yes, let's learn from it, but let's also celebrate the fact that it ended a long time ago and it is only an "issue" today to the extent that the left uses it as a tactic to deliberately deceive as many black voters as possible into believing that it somehow still negatively impacts their lives in the 21st Century.
Willis, I don't know what you're talking about.
As for the amazing sacrifice my yanks paid in the civil war. They didn't die to end slavery. They died because southerners were willing to fight to keep slaves.
Ending slavery could have been done without any blood shed. Zero Brits or Canadians does to end slavery in their countries.
I'm pretty sure my great-grandfather didn't leave his home and family and lie about his age to enlist in the Union Army at 17 for any reason other than to see an end to slavery.
Oldbear83 said:
My ancestors in Pennsylvania were Anabaptists, and detested Slavery as an abomination. Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery. Five died in the Civil War, one was maimed and could not walk after the war. Another two young men from my family lied about their age and served as scouts for the Union Army and died the day before the Battle of Gettysburg began, ambushed by Confederates.
They fought and died specifically and only to end Slavery. Not for politics or for the Union, not for Lincoln or General Meade. They fought because they believed to their core that Slavery was evil and must be opposed with every ounce of energy and will they possessed.
Thanks for your thoughts tommie. I disagree to some extent - when someone attacks a person in the street, others may not want to fight but are compelled to act. In that context, when a fight happens it is because one person or group wanted it to happen. The other side has no choice but is merely reacting to the violence.tommie said:Oldbear83 said:
My ancestors in Pennsylvania were Anabaptists, and detested Slavery as an abomination. Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery. Five died in the Civil War, one was maimed and could not walk after the war. Another two young men from my family lied about their age and served as scouts for the Union Army and died the day before the Battle of Gettysburg began, ambushed by Confederates.
They fought and died specifically and only to end Slavery. Not for politics or for the Union, not for Lincoln or General Meade. They fought because they believed to their core that Slavery was evil and must be opposed with every ounce of energy and will they possessed.
I appreciate both their fight and your blood line. My point is a bit different if you'd allow me.
There are some basic things that should go beyond politics. When there is a fight, it happens because the coin has two sides. It has the side that says "gasing people is wrong." And the side that says "these people should be extinguished".
I do t understand the second group but they continue to exists throughout human history. So when we roll in, they never just see the error of their ways. They fight to maintain their (whatever it is).
As both a northerner (with deep southern roots), an Illinoian, and a descendent of slaves, I am extremely thankful for what people like your ancestors did.
I am often told of southerners who, without benefit of land ownership or "belief" in slavery, died for the confederacy. I can see how easy that is to do. I don't want to paint them with the pro slavery brush. But the leadership of the day was clearly willing to sacrifice those cats for their benefit.
What if I told you there was a whole continent full of black people......one so big that all of Europe, Russia, and the USA could fit into it..........and you could move there tomorrow.cinque said:
Slavery did more more than just enslave black people. It cemented white supremacy in the social fabric of the culture, the residue of which still looms large 154 years later.
"Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery."Oldbear83 said:
My ancestors in Pennsylvania were Anabaptists, and detested Slavery as an abomination. Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery. Five died in the Civil War, one was maimed and could not walk after the war. Another two young men from my family lied about their age and served as scouts for the Union Army and died the day before the Battle of Gettysburg began, ambushed by Confederates.
They fought and died specifically and only to end Slavery. Not for politics or for the Union, not for Lincoln or General Meade. They fought because they believed to their core that Slavery was evil and must be opposed with every ounce of energy and will they possessed.
In the case of my family, there was a consistent oral history, supported by family documents like letters and sermons written out (I don't know about all denominations, but the Anabaptists liked to print out and distribute speeches to focus attention to key issues, such as self-restraint, civil disobedience in protest, and of course Slavery and later segregation). In addition, my father spoke about his family's beliefs and disappointment that the Anabaptist movement largely died out in the Philadelphia region by the end of the 19th Century, but morphed somewhat into social movements like the Women's vote and Desegregation. Basically, my family were seen as troublemakers by the Establishment and they counted it a badge of prideblackie said:
I am not trying to disrespect anything said in the last few posts, but a thought came to mind that I have to ask. We talk a lot about our ancestors doing this or that for this or that reason. Are such statements made because we think (or hope) that would have been their reason or because you actually have family documents or reliable family oral history passed down where they state that is what they did and why? Even in OldBear's case, they certainly likely had beliefs concerning slavery. But how do we know for certain that is the reason they fought?
Was your family from the Mennonite Anabaptist group. I know from studies they hated slavery and repression of people in all forms. On the other hand, the Mennonite group also did not encourage engaging in war, as a pacifist group. A real dilema for the Mennonites in the Civil War.Oldbear83 said:In the case of my family, there was a consistent oral history, supported by family documents like letters and sermons written out (I don't know about all denominations, but the Anabaptists liked to print out and distribute speeches to focus attention to key issues, such as self-restraint, civil disobedience in protest, and of course Slavery and later segregation). In addition, my father spoke about his family's beliefs and disappointment that the Anabaptist movement largely died out in the Philadelphia region by the end of the 19th Century, but morphed somewhat into social movements like the Women's vote and Desegregation. Basically, my family were seen as troublemakers by the Establishment and they counted it a badge of prideblackie said:
I am not trying to disrespect anything said in the last few posts, but a thought came to mind that I have to ask. We talk a lot about our ancestors doing this or that for this or that reason. Are such statements made because we think (or hope) that would have been their reason or because you actually have family documents or reliable family oral history passed down where they state that is what they did and why? Even in OldBear's case, they certainly likely had beliefs concerning slavery. But how do we know for certain that is the reason they fought?
At least in Pennsylvania, the Mennonites splintered quite a bit. The Pennsylvania Abolition Society, founded in 1775, provoked a wide range of opinions even among people who agreed Slavery was evil. By the time of the Civil War, many Philadelphians felt force was needed and frankly overdue.Forest Bueller said:Was your family from the Mennonite Anabaptist group. I know from studies they hated slavery and repression of people in all forms. On the other hand, the Mennonite group also did not encourage engaging in war, as a pacifist group. A real dilema for the Mennonites in the Civil War.Oldbear83 said:In the case of my family, there was a consistent oral history, supported by family documents like letters and sermons written out (I don't know about all denominations, but the Anabaptists liked to print out and distribute speeches to focus attention to key issues, such as self-restraint, civil disobedience in protest, and of course Slavery and later segregation). In addition, my father spoke about his family's beliefs and disappointment that the Anabaptist movement largely died out in the Philadelphia region by the end of the 19th Century, but morphed somewhat into social movements like the Women's vote and Desegregation. Basically, my family were seen as troublemakers by the Establishment and they counted it a badge of prideblackie said:
I am not trying to disrespect anything said in the last few posts, but a thought came to mind that I have to ask. We talk a lot about our ancestors doing this or that for this or that reason. Are such statements made because we think (or hope) that would have been their reason or because you actually have family documents or reliable family oral history passed down where they state that is what they did and why? Even in OldBear's case, they certainly likely had beliefs concerning slavery. But how do we know for certain that is the reason they fought?
If your family held the strong hatred of slavery, but were not of the pacifist Anabaptist groups, no matter what the government fought for, they very well may have fought specifically to end slavery, even if the Union fought specifically to save the Union.
You are applying the aggregate to the individual. You have ZERO information if your statement is correct.Redbrickbear said:"Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery."Oldbear83 said:
My ancestors in Pennsylvania were Anabaptists, and detested Slavery as an abomination. Six adult men in my family enlisted specifically to fight and end Slavery. Five died in the Civil War, one was maimed and could not walk after the war. Another two young men from my family lied about their age and served as scouts for the Union Army and died the day before the Battle of Gettysburg began, ambushed by Confederates.
They fought and died specifically and only to end Slavery. Not for politics or for the Union, not for Lincoln or General Meade. They fought because they believed to their core that Slavery was evil and must be opposed with every ounce of energy and will they possessed.
No they didn't
The Federalists from day one said they were fighting to "muh persevere the union"
There we draft riots (that killed untold thousands) in every major Northern city when it seemed like the war was turning into an anti-slavery radical abolitionist jihad.
I know if makes you feel good in some strange way to think your ancestors were bloody moral crusades.
But there were not.
They invaded another country, raped, and murdered innocent civilians and got killed for it.
No kidding, of the first two men born, 50% of them was a murderer. From day one of the fall, we've been bad.Keyser Soze said:
News flash: evil **** happened years ago
That's not what she said. Read the quote you provided.Pat Neff said:cinque said:Explain to me what was racist about her busting the chops of somebody misidentifying Eric Holder as Corey Booker?Pat Neff said:Yet, you wanted HRC to be elected.cinque said:I have relatives still alive who worked their asses off as domestics and don't have Social Security.blackie said:When was this action taken? I am interested in that answer to determine how many of those voters are alive today. I have no control over the actions of my ancestors as does the Democratic party of today have any control over the despicable acts taken by Democrats of the past.cinque said:
Here's an example: Bible believing Christians, especially in the South, would not approve passage of a Social Security bill that included security for black domestic workers. This was not a violent, act, but a planned, intentional way to keep the Slave Bible's spirit alive
May I remind you of her prejudice?Here she goes again.
Dude, it may be time for you to quit this game, as you keep being wrong every time you post.
I know this apparently a difficult concept to you, but she outright said all black people look alike to her. Says all we need to know about you and your views as you continue to support HRC.