BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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What is the purpose of a census?

Just asking.

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To count all persons living in the country.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Expert on Concentration Camps says that is exactly what is happening on the border.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Expert on Concentration Camps says that is exactly what is happening on the border.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Expert on Concentration Camps says that is exactly what is happening on the border.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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LOL. Not sure why you're weighing in. You're used to being called an anti-semite.

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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LOL. Not sure why you're weighing in. You're used to being called an anti-semite.

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No I'm really not. Half of my family is Jewish.

That's a pretty vile accusation.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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LOL. Not sure why you're weighing in. You're used to being called an anti-semite.

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No I'm really not. Half of my family is Jewish.

That's a pretty vile accusation.

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Stop your pearl-clutching. I didn't call you one. I don't think I've ever called you one. I do remember a conversation where you and I agreed on some Ilhan Omar stuff and we both got called anti-semites.

And I have jewish family and friends and once played with the idea of conversion. I'm just not a hard-core Zionist.

Growl is being a dick.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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I see AOC is out their pushing her concentration camp/racist agenda again. Last time I checked she was in Congress and could help w/ a deal to end all this? These people are insane pushing this racist lie.

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Oh look. A meme from Rifle. Must be a Tuesday.

AOC is actually 100% right. That's the literal definition of a concentration camp.

Come on, man.

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Except LITERALLY the Jews were forced into them illegally pulled away from their homes.

Illegals from down South LITERALLY broke the law and guess what - they could leave WHENEVER THEY WANT if they go back home.

The meme is the truth - why would I type something out that is already in a Meme - Truth hurts doesn't it?

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Concentration camps aren't contingent on people breaking laws. Since you're obviously too lazy to look it up:

"concentration camp
/knsntrSHn kamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."

Also, most of the Jews, Catholics, etc put in the German concentration camps were put there FOR BREAKING THE "LAW."

"Himmler declared, "No other service is more devastating and strenuous for the troops than just that of guarding villains and criminals." The ideology of combat had been part of the DNA of Nazism from its origin, as a movement of First World War veterans, through the years of street battles against Communists, which established the Party's reputation for violence. Now, in the years before actual war came, the K.L. was imagined as the site of virtual combatagainst Communists, criminals, dissidents, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jews, all forces working to undermine the German nation."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/the-system-books-kirsch

Try again.

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Really? You sticking with this you sick ****?

Didn't realize you were an anti-Semitic.

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You're adorable. Beat up any gays lately? How's your strange fear of other people's *****es working out?

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LOL. Not sure why you're weighing in. You're used to being called an anti-semite.

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No I'm really not. Half of my family is Jewish.

That's a pretty vile accusation.

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Stop your pearl-clutching. I didn't call you one. I don't think I've ever called you one. I do remember a conversation where you and I agreed on some Ilhan Omar stuff and we both got called anti-semites.

And I have jewish family and friends and once played with the idea of conversion. I'm just not a hard-core Zionist.

Growl is being a dick.

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I was under the impression that "You're used to being called an anti-semite" meant that you think I'm used to being called out for being against Jewish people consistently...as in I'm an anti semite.

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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Absolutely. Why count illegals in the first place? They don't respect our laws. Citizenship should mean something.

The forms should also only be printed in English only.

There is simply no reason to pander to California and New York.

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Also, you say they don't respect our laws, but they're much less likely to disobey them. Study after study has confirmed this.

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Uhhhh, they have disobeyed them by merely being here. You forget about that part?

Answer me a simple question: Do you agree or disagree that the Left champions illegal immigration because it knows illegals greatly affect the apportionment of seats in Congress?

I'll be interested to see if you're capable of honesty here. We all know this is at the root of the census question, so what say you?

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Jeez. We've been over this.

1. seeking asylum isn't against the law.

2. jumping the border is a misdemeanor. If you've ever gotten a speeding ticket, you're about as much a "criminal" as they are.

Here's the answer to your question: I am on the left. I couldn't give TWO ****S about how migrants affect elections. They aren't citizens. They don't vote. I sincerely don't care about how they affect congressional allotment. Honestly, if they aren't voting, then that should be a boon to Texas Republicans, but I digress.

Migration is good for society. It literally always has been. Immigrants on average are technically better citizens than most citizens. They work their asses off doing work no one else wants to do. They tend to be more family-oriented and community-oriented. They want more for their families, and they are brave as heck. That's what American needs. That is literally what has always made our country great. We are a literal nation of immigrants.

So, no. I'm being completely honest. I don't know a single liberal who has ever factored migrants into the math of congressional allotment. I'm being absolutely sincere.

My advocacy of migrants comes from my Christian belief from the dozens of times the Son of God exhorted all his true followers to care for the alien, love their neighbor, and give them the cloaks off our backs.

The root of the census question -for me- is 100% about honesty. Article 1, section 2 of the Constitution states:

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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

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It said to count ALL persons. The intention of the founding fathers is crystal clear. This question is clearly meant to subvert that. There are receipts of this. We have a cabinet secretary lying to congress.

THAT is my problem.

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Here's the thing: The Bible these people read and claim as their guide for life apparently doesn't include the parable of the good Samaritan, where the lesson is that YOU do the right thing and take care of people unable to care for and advocate for themselves regardless of what other people do or whether you believe they're untouchable or have some other convenient excuse to pass them by, ignore them or discourage them from responding to the census. And the damage has probably been done. In the unlikely event, given the general lack of respect for the rule of law that characterizes this administration, Census takers do seek to count these people, how many do you think will respond?

The churches they go to apparently never sing the old hymn, "In Christ there is no East or West" (I've pasted the lyrics in below).

The ONLY census they want to take is for the only people they believe really count--white people and conservatives. Liberals, black people, brown people, refugees, immigrants, and women and children who aren't under the care and supervision of a conservative, religious white man aren't worth any investment of taxpayer dollars (and they don't really want to be taxpayers, anyway). Everyone who isn't exactly like them and doesn't share their race and "worldview" is viewed as deserving of hate and scorn, and that's what they get on this site, thanks at least in part to a couple of posters who constantly salt this forum with 8Chan-style propaganda. It's hard to believe Sicem's moderators don't see what's going on; I can only conclude that they do and are complicit.

The level of contempt I see on a daily basis on this forum toward all of those groups not only disregards a constitution that originally gave white landowners the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and which we have extended to women and non-white citizens (a step too far beyond originalism for these guys), but also disregards the Biblical imperative of living in community and caring for orphans and widows and the sick and disabled. If you disagree with that very narrow comfort zone, you're a Samaritan--a foreigner. I hope enough Samaritans get out and vote that we elect a leader willing to do the hard work required to help us learn to live in community and stop destroying the planet. These people may oppose abortion, but they despise life in the form of actual people who aren't white and conservative and either male or under conservative male supervision, and they want to do everything they possibly can to make people who aren't like them so unwelcome they stop showing up at the borders or give up on living in states where they and their families have lived for generations and leave.

1 In Christ there is no east or west,
in him no south or north,
but one great fellowship of love
throughout the whole wide earth.
2 In Christ shall true hearts everywhere
their high communion find;
his service is the golden cord
close-binding humankind.
3 Join hands, disciples of the faith,
whate'er your race may be.
All children of the living God
are surely kin to me.
4 In Christ now meet both east and west;
in him meet south and north.
All Christly souls are one in him
throughout the whole wide earth.

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We don't have unlimited resources though. Not all in need can be taken care of. So who do we take care of? Well according the liberals who want to say Trump is destroying the economy and living wages aren't enough to live on, we have plenty of American citizens who need help. We have soldiers who return from war with nothing who gave everything for our country... they need help too. So save me the "Good Samaritan" speech and trying to make conservatives out to be Satanists.

I am a Good Samaritan, and I want to take care of all people. But we can't. So let's take care of our tribe.

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Who is "our tribe"?

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BrooksBearLives said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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Absolutely. Why count illegals in the first place? They don't respect our laws. Citizenship should mean something.

The forms should also only be printed in English only.

There is simply no reason to pander to California and New York.

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The founding fathers never would have called them "illegals."

Your idea of patriotism is pretty pale.

The census is supposed to count EVERYONE. Not just citizens. It's ridiculously clear.

Why don't you care?

Also, you say they don't respect our laws, but they're much less likely to disobey them. Study after study has confirmed this.

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Spare me your lecture. I will not engage in your virtue signaling. You have no moral authority. Read the dang document and specifically the 14th amendment.

I don't care for the same reasons you didn't give a **** about the IRS targeting conservatives.

We the people of the United States does not mean people that happen to be here every 10 years.

You know it. Why doesn't it bother you?

22 million here. Alone that is the fifth largest state.

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The constitution says to count all people. Remember, citizenship at the time of the founding fathers was limited to men. But yet everyone was counted. The founding fathers made a CLEAR point of saying ALL were to be counted accurately.

You're wrong and you know it.

So once again. Why don't you have a problem with this? Is your tribalism THAT strong?

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I wonder if Laura knows that voting by white non citizens is part of America's history?

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Just by way of curiosity, what other countries in the world count illegally present non-citizens in apportioning their country's voting?

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I wonder if Laura knows that voting by white non citizens is part of America's history?

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No you do not.

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It is crucial to see that the early spirit of political openness toward aliens was perfectly compatible with the exclusionary definition of "the American people as Christian white men of property." To exclude aliens from voting would have given rise to the dangerous inference that U.S. citizenship was the decisive criterion for suffrage at a time when the majority of U.S. citizens, including almost all women and substantial percentages of men without property, were categorically excluded from the franchise.

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fadskier said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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Yes, I am okay with that. If we are asking if people are citizens and we get an accurate count and that ends in fewer people counted, then that's what happens.

Why do we want representation based on non-citizens?

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BrooksBearLives said:

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fadskier said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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Yes, I am okay with that. If we are asking if people are citizens and we get an accurate count and that ends in fewer people counted, then that's what happens.

Why do we want representation based on non-citizens?

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The constitution called for a headcount. All persons.

When you add in questions you KNOW will result in something less than accurate, you're undercutting the constitution. Period.

Either you care or you don't.

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BrooksBearLives said:

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The census is supposed to count EVERYONE. Not just citizens.

I thought you guys cared about decorum and the constitution and honor?

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BrooksBearLives said:

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fadskier said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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You guys DO know that there is proof the question is put in place specifically to get FEWER people counted, right?

There's literally proof.

And now the President is trying to cover it up in plain sight.

Y'all are okay with that?

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Yes, I am okay with that. If we are asking if people are citizens and we get an accurate count and that ends in fewer people counted, then that's what happens.

Why do we want representation based on non-citizens?

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The constitution called for a headcount. All persons.

When you add in questions you KNOW will result in something less than accurate, you're undercutting the constitution. Period.

Either you care or you don't.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Computers don't wonder. Sorry.

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cinque said:

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riflebear said:

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Honest question - why is the left calling Trump & GOP racist (as usual) over the census question when the Census already asks about race? (White Black, etc) I guess they need to take that question out too.

This is so obvious about the Dems being scared and wanting illegals to be counted that they go and lie again to the American people. This race baiting is getting old but we know it will only get worse because they have nothing else to run.

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El Oso said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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The census is supposed to count EVERYONE. Not just citizens.

I thought you guys cared about decorum and the constitution and honor?

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Not true.

Constitutional Text: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

So:
1. We definitely aren't supposed to count Indians (Native Americans under current terminology).
2. Later on this thread you argue the founders wouldn't have called them illegals. True, but they damn sure wouldn't of called them free persons either. So, let's count the illegals, but at the 3/5 rate prescribed by the document.

This argument that illegals are more likely to follow laws than regular citizens is true only if you ignore the fact that their mere existence in the country is a violation of law. The 14th amendment is clear: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;

The 14th amendment only extends voting protection to men over the age of 21--and they must be citizens.

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