RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Libertarians want all drugs to be legal and want open borders. Sorry, I cannot get on board with that.

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RD 2 - you and 5.3 % of the voters in Guadalupe County cannot get on board with this. No way.

Reporter said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Libertarians want all drugs to be legal and want open borders. Sorry, I cannot get on board with that.

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RD 2 - you and 5.3 % of the voters in Guadalupe County cannot get on board with this. No way.

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I see some folks have abandoned logic for the weekend ...

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Quash,

I didn't read a single reply to your original post but I disagree. I've argued my point with our grandchildren for years. Did you happen to see the segment Friday on CNBC regarding illegal pot shops in L.A.?

Calif thought they'd collect billions in tax revenue. Instead they fell way short of that goal. Illegal shops operate openly and some of their product reportedly contained dangerous pesticides.

Now on to the next topic. LIBRA. . When you can buy illegal pot with your Facebook LIBRA money we will know the government no longer has a dog collar on our citizens. It will be so interesting. I wished I could be around to see the decade of the 2020's and beyond.

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Legally sold drugs are reducing the flow of illegally sold drugs. Supported by data. Tax expectations are not germane to the argument. Got anything else?

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Making a claim but not providing the data he claims supports his point.

Quash gonna quash.

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The data are in the OP I started this thread with.

Double checked. Still there.

Flagged. Keep personal stuff off the board.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Quash,

I didn't read a single reply to your original post but I disagree. I've argued my point with our grandchildren for years. Did you happen to see the segment Friday on CNBC regarding illegal pot shops in L.A.?

Calif thought they'd collect billions in tax revenue. Instead they fell way short of that goal. Illegal shops operate openly and some of their product reportedly contained dangerous pesticides.

Now on to the next topic. LIBRA. . When you can buy illegal pot with your Facebook LIBRA money we will know the government no longer has a dog collar on our citizens. It will be so interesting. I wished I could be around to see the decade of the 2020's and beyond.

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Legally sold drugs are reducing the flow of illegally sold drugs. Supported by data. Tax expectations are not germane to the argument. Got anything else?

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Making a claim but not providing the data he claims supports his point.

Quash gonna quash.

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The data are in the OP I started this thread with.

Double checked. Still there.

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I'm talking about your most recent claim.

But quash gonna quash.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Quash,

I didn't read a single reply to your original post but I disagree. I've argued my point with our grandchildren for years. Did you happen to see the segment Friday on CNBC regarding illegal pot shops in L.A.?

Calif thought they'd collect billions in tax revenue. Instead they fell way short of that goal. Illegal shops operate openly and some of their product reportedly contained dangerous pesticides.

Now on to the next topic. LIBRA. . When you can buy illegal pot with your Facebook LIBRA money we will know the government no longer has a dog collar on our citizens. It will be so interesting. I wished I could be around to see the decade of the 2020's and beyond.

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Legally sold drugs are reducing the flow of illegally sold drugs. Supported by data. Tax expectations are not germane to the argument. Got anything else?

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Making a claim but not providing the data he claims supports his point.

Quash gonna quash.

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The data are in the OP I started this thread with.

Double checked. Still there.

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I'm talking about your most recent claim.

But quash gonna quash.

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So was I. Keep up.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Quash,

I didn't read a single reply to your original post but I disagree. I've argued my point with our grandchildren for years. Did you happen to see the segment Friday on CNBC regarding illegal pot shops in L.A.?

Calif thought they'd collect billions in tax revenue. Instead they fell way short of that goal. Illegal shops operate openly and some of their product reportedly contained dangerous pesticides.

Now on to the next topic. LIBRA. . When you can buy illegal pot with your Facebook LIBRA money we will know the government no longer has a dog collar on our citizens. It will be so interesting. I wished I could be around to see the decade of the 2020's and beyond.

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Legally sold drugs are reducing the flow of illegally sold drugs. Supported by data. Tax expectations are not germane to the argument. Got anything else?

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Making a claim but not providing the data he claims supports his point.

Quash gonna quash.

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The data are in the OP I started this thread with.

Double checked. Still there.

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I'm talking about your most recent claim.

But quash gonna quash.

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So was I. Keep up.

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You think so? You might want to check that assumption.

Walls don't help when most drugs come through our ports of entry. And 77% of the smugglers are US citizens.

Legalization, as shown in the OP, has reduced the importation of drugs. Drug cartels, as criminal enterprises are wont to do, will find a new product line when one gets unprofitable. But for now American markets are doing a better job than govt walls.

quash: "most drugs come through our ports of entry. And 77% of the smugglers are US citizens"

By definition, quash's own statement demonstrates that improved border enforcement will reduce drug flow. "Most drugs come through our ports of entry" is an admission that some illegal drugs do not come through such ports. And if 77% of smugglers are US citizens, then nearly 1 in 4 are not, so better border enforcement addresses the drug smuggling issue as well.

What's more, if we have better physical barriers in place, that frees up more personnel to help catch smugglers trying to get through our ports of entry.

riflebear said:

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And yet the wall is still doing less to stop drug smuggling than legalization.

quash said:

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riflebear said:

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And yet the wall is still doing less to stop drug smuggling than legalization.

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Opinion, not fact.

And biased opinion at that.

riflebear said:

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He grew up close to where we live and some are wondering how far he'll go, especially if he stays uncorrupted

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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And yet the wall is still doing less to stop drug smuggling than legalization.

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Opinion, not fact.

And biased opinion at that.

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The facts are in the OP. I keep telling you that, it is your choice to ignore them.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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And yet the wall is still doing less to stop drug smuggling than legalization.

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Opinion, not fact.

And biased opinion at that.

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The facts are in the OP. I keep telling you that, it is your choice to ignore them.

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You and most adults have different ideas about what constitutes relevant facts, quash.

Read the trilogy by Don Winslow about the futility of the war on drugs. Exciting read but well researched. Arturo Keeler the head of DEA in Winslow's final book arrives at the same conclusion.
But first read the novels - Power of the Dog, The Cartel, The Border

I agree with the OP. However, I would bet a Big O that he will employ a completely different framework when it comes to guns. This is one of myriad reasons it is difficult to have a political conversation because the goalposts keep changing and the standards are double.

You do realize, extremely early in your posting career, who it is you're agreeing with here if you "agree with OP?"

That would be Quash!

That's a very slippery slope, as in blue ice slippery too!

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I agree with the OP. However, I would bet a Big O that he will employ a completely different framework when it comes to guns. This is one of myriad reasons it is difficult to have a political conversation because the goalposts keep changing and the standards are double.

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How so?

Florda_mike said:

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You do realize, extremely early in your posting career, who it is you're agreeing with here if you "agree with OP?"

That would be Quash!

That's a very slippery slope, as in blue ice slippery too!

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You should read the OP and (mostly) agree with it too. Lots of information there.

OP insinuates that stopping pot is reason for a border wall

That's pretty shallow

Florda_mike said:

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OP insinuates that stopping pot is reason for a border wall

That's pretty shallow

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Did you think it was shallow when Trump said it?
"Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border," Trump said in a speech last week about U.S.-Mexico border security.

Trump added in a Tweet the next day: "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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OP insinuates that stopping pot is reason for a border wall

That's pretty shallow

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Did you think it was shallow when Trump said it?
"Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border," Trump said in a speech last week about U.S.-Mexico border security.

Trump added in a Tweet the next day: "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"

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And he's right and you know it too!

Btw, he didn't mention pot, but you had to highlight it in your OP

You are a bigot and a liar and as out in leftie field as anyone on this board

Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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OP insinuates that stopping pot is reason for a border wall

That's pretty shallow

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Did you think it was shallow when Trump said it?
"Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border," Trump said in a speech last week about U.S.-Mexico border security.

Trump added in a Tweet the next day: "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"

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And he's right and you know it too!

Btw, he didn't mention pot, but you had to highlight it in your OP

You are a bigot and a liar and as out in leftie field as anyone on this board

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Sure thing, genius.

Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

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Planes are detected by radar everywhere in the US. So it doesn't really matter.

And how many damn people are flying ultralights across the border?

The wall is to stop people from walking across.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

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Planes are detected by radar everywhere in the US. So it doesn't really matter.

And how many damn people are flying ultralights across the border?

The wall is to stop people from walking across.

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Trump says it is to stop drug smuggling. As the OP notes the legalization of drugs is a better solution.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

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Planes are detected by radar everywhere in the US. So it doesn't really matter.

And how many damn people are flying ultralights across the border?

The wall is to stop people from walking across.

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Trump says it is to stop drug smuggling. As the OP notes the legalization of drugs is a better solution.

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It will help stop some drug smuggling. That's not the sole purpose.

The main purpose of the wall is to stop illegal immigration.

You know, to enforce the federal laws we already have.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

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Planes are detected by radar everywhere in the US. So it doesn't really matter.

And how many damn people are flying ultralights across the border?

The wall is to stop people from walking across.

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Trump says it is to stop drug smuggling. As the OP notes the legalization of drugs is a better solution.

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It will help stop some drug smuggling. That's not the sole purpose.

The main purpose of the wall is to stop illegal immigration.

You know, to enforce the federal laws we already have.

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$234 billion more debt last month. The wall is just one example of poor policy costing us money we dont have.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Wait...nobody cares about cannabis smuggling.

Try fentanyl which actually kills people.

They can stop a lot of it, but not all of it.

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The wall will stop ultralight aircraft? Explain.

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Sensor. Capture.

Easy.

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Sensors are not dependent on a wall.

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X band radar. Piece of cake.

Build 2 along the wall.

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Again, independent of a wall.

Wall. Planes fly over.

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Planes are detected by radar everywhere in the US. So it doesn't really matter.

And how many damn people are flying ultralights across the border?

The wall is to stop people from walking across.

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Trump says it is to stop drug smuggling. As the OP notes the legalization of drugs is a better solution.

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It will help stop some drug smuggling. That's not the sole purpose.

The main purpose of the wall is to stop illegal immigration.

You know, to enforce the federal laws we already have.

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$234 billion more debt last month. The wall is just one example of poor policy costing us money we dont have.

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Stop trying to divert the discussion from the illegal immigration issue!

That's all your little thread has tried to do