Robert Mueller said he was 'not familiar' with Fusion GPS. How is that possible?

HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

One thing is incredibly clear, this entire fiasco from beginning to end has been an enormous and expensive waste of time.

Doc Holliday said:

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Robert Mueller said he was 'not familiar' with Fusion GPS. How is that possible?

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Oops

Can the #fakenews about Mueller being a Republican so this investigation was fair stop now? This is insanity. Mueller was never near any of this investigation and probably hasn't even read his entire report.

Mueller lokks confused, old

I wonder he was in charge of this investigation

When Axelrod agrees w/ conservatives you know this is a crash & burn for the Dems.

Thank you Nadler for asking Mueller to testify - brilliant

riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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Well considering it was a coverup and everyone lied you have your answer. .Could you imagine if there was a special counsel of partisan Republicans investigating Hillary and having access to her server e-mails and Obama's Administration? The Democrats would be wiped off the map they would all be in jail.

Nice try though

quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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TIL: Benghazi hearings are equivalent to a 2 year coup that cost nearly $50M with unlimited scope.

ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

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Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

codyorr said:

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I'll go first. I think Trump is innocent of collusion but guilty of obstruction.

If Mueller provides evidence that the Trump campaign accepted or proposed an explicit quid pro quo with the Russian government in exchange for information on Clinton / interference in the election, I would change my mind. Seeking negative information on Clinton doesn't equate to collusion in my book.

If Mueller testifies that, had his understanding NOT been that a sitting President cannot be convicted of obstruction, and if there were no issues of executive privilege, he STILL would not have recommended obstruction charges, I would change my mind.

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Pretty close to my feelings. And nobody else seems to care to discuss what evidence would change their minds.

Nice try though.

riflebear said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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Well considering it was a coverup and everyone lied you have your answer. .Could you imagine if there was a special counsel of partisan Republicans investigating Hillary and having access to her server e-mails and Obama's Administration? The Democrats would be wiped off the map they would all be in jail.

Nice try though

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A Republican FBI Director did investigate Hillary...

riflebear said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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Well considering it was a coverup and everyone lied you have your answer. .Could you imagine if there was a special counsel of partisan Republicans investigating Hillary and having access to her server e-mails and Obama's Administration? The Democrats would be wiped off the map they would all be in jail.

Nice try though

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So Trey Gowdy, a talented prosecutor, couldn't get anybody for perjury? You have a funny way of looking at the world.

HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

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Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

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So it's in Russia's best interests for the US to have a thriving historical economy, no war, stock market records, best unemployment in history etc?

Mueller is mentally fried. If GOP members in House Intel committee are sharp they merely need to ask Mueller about his own conflicting statements:

Barr says and you in a joint statement that "but not for the OLC opinion".

You stated your investigation was unimpeded, your Report was only to include charges or delineations of no charges yet your vol II is about a decision to not make a decision.

From NYTimes

Later, asked by Representative Greg Stanton, Democrat of Arizona, which president had first appointed him as a United States attorney, Mr. Mueller could not remember, offering, "I think that was President Bush,."
"According to my notes, it was President Ronald Reagan who had the honor to do so," Mr. Stanton replied.
"My mistake," Mr. Mueller answered.
The performance drew concern from some Democrats. David Axelrod, the strategist who served as a senior adviser in Barack Obama's White House, gently suggested that Mr. Mueller might not be up to his task.
"This is delicate to say, but Mueller, whom I deeply respect, has not publicly testified before Congress in at least six years," Mr. Axelrod wrote on Twitter. "And he does not appear as sharp as he was then."

I think it's nice that Mueller finally got to sit down and read his own report for the first time.

HuMcK said:

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Really doesn't get any less ambiguous than that.

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Indeed. And how ironic that the only clear obstruction of justice was just committed by none other than Robert Mueller.

Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

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Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

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So it's in Russia's best interests for the US to have a thriving historical economy, no war, stock market records, best unemployment in history etc?

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It's in Russia's long-term interest for the US to seperate from our Atlantic allies (for the West to destabilize generally, courtesy of your heroes Salvini and Farage plus Brexit), and for our society to tear itself apart over racial grievances (i.e. Trump's bread and butter issues). I don't think Russia minds mostly avoiding any kind of real retaliation for what they did in 2016 either.

HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

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Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

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So it's in Russia's best interests for the US to have a thriving historical economy, no war, stock market records, best unemployment in history etc?

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It's in Russia's long-term interest for the US to seperate from our Atlantic allies (for the West to destabilize generally, courtesy of your heroes Salvini and Farage plus Brexit), and for our society to tear itself apart over racial grievances (i.e. Trump's bread and butter issues). I don't think Russia minds mostly avoiding any kind of real retaliation for what they did in 2016 either.

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So your theory is that a few online trolls managed to change the minds of millions of people around the world to oppose an ever growing centralization of worldwide government?

That's insane.

Gowdy made a great point.

Mueller says he wanted to get rid of possible dangerous bias so when he found out about STrzok they let him go - of course it took him awhile.

BUT - if this was true then why did he keep Weissman and other biased Clinton attorneys on his staff who were severely anti Trump and at Hillary's victory (I mean Loser) presidential party.

Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

---

Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

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So it's in Russia's best interests for the US to have a thriving historical economy, no war, stock market records, best unemployment in history etc?

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It's in Russia's long-term interest for the US to seperate from our Atlantic allies (for the West to destabilize generally, courtesy of your heroes Salvini and Farage plus Brexit), and for our society to tear itself apart over racial grievances (i.e. Trump's bread and butter issues). I don't think Russia minds mostly avoiding any kind of real retaliation for what they did in 2016 either.

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So your theory is that a few online trolls managed to change the minds of millions of people around the world to oppose an ever growing centralization of worldwide government?

That's insane.

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Fck off with that "few online trolls" lie. I posted the audio of Salvini's reps meeting in Moscow to negotiate tens of millions of dollars in funding for the Italian far Right by skimming off oil transactions (kind of like the allegation involving a stake-sale of Rosneft and the Trump campaign right before the GOP won uncontested power, huh imagine that) in your thread, I know you are aware of it and how far past "a few online trolls" their techniques go. Don't try to pretend like they aren't doing the same thing here in America, and elsewhere.

quash said:

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riflebear said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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Well considering it was a coverup and everyone lied you have your answer. .Could you imagine if there was a special counsel of partisan Republicans investigating Hillary and having access to her server e-mails and Obama's Administration? The Democrats would be wiped off the map they would all be in jail.

Nice try though

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So Trey Gowdy, a talented prosecutor, couldn't get anybody for perjury? You have a funny way of looking at the world.

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W/ Obama's AG? LOL - what fantasy land do you live in?
They were too busy coming up w/ a plan to take down Trump.

HuMcK said:

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riflebear said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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They are so desperate, they are going to try and spin this so many different ways it's going to be laughable.

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How many Benghazi hearings were held before you said "OK, that's enough." Or was seven insufficient?

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Well considering it was a coverup and everyone lied you have your answer. .Could you imagine if there was a special counsel of partisan Republicans investigating Hillary and having access to her server e-mails and Obama's Administration? The Democrats would be wiped off the map they would all be in jail.

Nice try though

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A Republican FBI Director did investigate Hillary...

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Comey, and Mueller, only stopped being Republicans once they began to investigate whether or not Trump was in bed with the Russians. Strangely, once they dared to look at that they became persona non grata to the GOP...

HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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So Humck, Manafort's "Russian contact" was actually a State Department asset and the Mueller Report makes no mention of this and Mueller claims he did not know this? How could he not?

Perjury trap #2.

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Again, play the idiot if you want, but nothing about Kilimnik feeding info to State (which is in the report, actually, part of how Mueller knew Manafort lied was because of something Kilimnik emailed to a person in the Dept. of State) precludes him from working as an agent for Oleg Deripaska (which he was). That's how spy-craft works, you play all sides for an advantage.

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We've been played like a Stradivarius violin, or maybe a Gibson at a death metal concert. Not because Trump is or ever was a threat to give up the family secrets to the Russians, but the discord they were able to sew in the US thanks to the emotionally and politically interested opposition to his election. Today's spectacle is likely warming the cockles of the Russian disinformation apparatus. With the rising popularity of so outside the mainstream political ideologies thanks to this insanity, the damage may be even more severe than we could have imagined.

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Every day that Trump is POTUS is a good day for Russia, because it destabilizes US society. Absolutely I believe Russia sponsors elements of the so called Left (Bernie, Gabbard, probably more), but there simply is no better mouthpiece for Russian destabilization narratives than the modern far-Right. It's the same set of techniques and strategies Russia has been caught employing in Italy (Salvini), The UK (Farage and Arron Banks), France (Le Pen), etc. And it won't stop with Trump either, or just be employed in the future by Russia alone.

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So it's in Russia's best interests for the US to have a thriving historical economy, no war, stock market records, best unemployment in history etc?

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It's in Russia's long-term interest for the US to seperate from our Atlantic allies (for the West to destabilize generally, courtesy of your heroes Salvini and Farage plus Brexit), and for our society to tear itself apart over racial grievances (i.e. Trump's bread and butter issues). I don't think Russia minds mostly avoiding any kind of real retaliation for what they did in 2016 either.

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So your theory is that a few online trolls managed to change the minds of millions of people around the world to oppose an ever growing centralization of worldwide government?

That's insane.

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Fck off with that "few online trolls" lie. I posted the audio of Salvini's reps meeting in Moscow to negotiate tens of millions of dollars in funding for the Italian far Right by skimming off oil transactions (kind of like the allegation involving a stake-sale of Rosneft and the Trump campaign right before the GOP won uncontested power, huh imagine that) in your thread, I know you are aware of it and how far past "a few online trolls" their techniques go. Don't try to pretend like they aren't doing the same thing here in America, and elsewhere.

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If you want to keep believing that the only reason the left is losing worldwide is because of Russia...be my guest.

You sure it has nothing to do with being bat**** crazy?

HuMcK said:

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Comey, and Mueller, only stopped being Republicans once they began to investigate whether or not Trump was in bed with the Russians. Strangely, once they dared to look at that they became persona non grata to the GOP...

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Can you answer why his SC was completely biased with Democrats and anti Trumpers?

Now we get to hear lying Schiff who spread lies for 2 years lead this committee. He's one of the most corrupt politicians I've ever seen and lies daily yet he is in charge for Dems? Crazy

riflebear said:

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Now we get to hear lying Schiff who spread lies for 2 years lead this committee. He's one of the most corrupt politicians I've ever seen and lies daily yet he is in charge for Dems? Crazy

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Schiff is saving his own ass. He met with FusionGPS.

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codyorr said:

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I'll go first. I think Trump is innocent of collusion but guilty of obstruction.

If Mueller provides evidence that the Trump campaign accepted or proposed an explicit quid pro quo with the Russian government in exchange for information on Clinton / interference in the election, I would change my mind. Seeking negative information on Clinton doesn't equate to collusion in my book.

If Mueller testifies that, had his understanding NOT been that a sitting President cannot be convicted of obstruction, and if there were no issues of executive privilege, he STILL would not have recommended obstruction charges, I would change my mind.

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Pretty closes to my feelings. And nobody else seems to care to discuss what evidence would change their minds.

Nice try though.

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Not going to lie, I've assumed from the beginning this was all just a politically motivated witch hunt intended by the Left to discredit Republicans and/or Trump as much as possible with no real connection to truth or justice in the traditional sense of those words. Simply a will to power exercise played by those who deep down really don't believe in such dated notions as right and wrong, being thoroughly deconstructed post-modernists (and/or woke B$tches).

With those assumptions as a starting point, I find it hard to view this sort of spectacle as anything other than noise and the sort of semantic gamesmanship that only those in the legal profession might enjoy. In simple terms, can anyone explain to me (as a simple fellow) how there can truly be obstruction in any real way if there was never any collusion? It makes sense to me that one should resist the crap the Left pushes with all one's ability, knowing they are only at it to score political points. What am I missing?

curtpenn said:

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quash said:

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codyorr said:

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I'll go first. I think Trump is innocent of collusion but guilty of obstruction.

If Mueller provides evidence that the Trump campaign accepted or proposed an explicit quid pro quo with the Russian government in exchange for information on Clinton / interference in the election, I would change my mind. Seeking negative information on Clinton doesn't equate to collusion in my book.

If Mueller testifies that, had his understanding NOT been that a sitting President cannot be convicted of obstruction, and if there were no issues of executive privilege, he STILL would not have recommended obstruction charges, I would change my mind.

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Pretty closes to my feelings. And nobody else seems to care to discuss what evidence would change their minds.

Nice try though.

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Not going to lie, I've assumed from the beginning this was all just a politically motivated witch hunt intended by the Left to discredit Republicans and/or Trump as much as possible with no real connection to truth or justice in the traditional sense of those words. Simply a will to power exercise played by those who deep down really don't believe in such dated notions as right and wrong, being thoroughly deconstructed post-modernists (and/or woke B$tches).

With those assumptions as a starting point, I find it hard to view this sort of spectacle as anything other than noise and the sort of semantic gamesmanship that only those in the legal profession might enjoy. In simple terms, can anyone explain to me (as a simple fellow) how there can truly be obstruction in any real way if there was never any collusion? It makes sense to me that one should resist the crap the Left pushes with all one's ability, knowing they are only at it to score political points. What am I missing?

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The summary of Mueller's testimony is no surprise with regards to Trump haters and Trump supporters - the people who already hated Trump still think he's guilty, and Trump's supporters still love him.

The damage done by Mueller's testimony will be in how independents see this. And right now I can't see this mess convincing any moderate that Trump committed any kind of crime.