Why are you, a presumably healthy, perfectly ordered, robustly heterosexual, bothered by what PeteGrowlTowel said:
Probably because he takes it up the ass.
takes up his ass?
Why are you, a presumably healthy, perfectly ordered, robustly heterosexual, bothered by what PeteGrowlTowel said:
Probably because he takes it up the ass.
Growl, here was the question you answered by focusing on what you think Pete takes up his ass.cinque said:
I don't understand why Christians would be upset about a presidential candidate publicly professing belief in the Jesus Christ who provides the way to eternal life; who embraces a loving life-giving God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit and who believes the teachings of Jesus Christ, whose life, death and resurrection redeemed the world. Why would somebody like Pete placing his whole trust in Jesus be such of a bother to people who will themselves be judged by God?
If only you were this upset by unwanted kitty grabbing.
Canada2017 said:tommie said:Canada2017 said:cinque said:
It appears Pete has a more coherent, articulable credo than most people posting in this forum.
Pete has zero chance to become POTUS.
Not zero. I can see him in the final 3 with Warren and Biden.
chuckle
Might want to get your vision checked .
Pete is a nonentity. The only thing he has got going for him is his gimmick.
Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
tommie said:Canada2017 said:tommie said:Canada2017 said:cinque said:
It appears Pete has a more coherent, articulable credo than most people posting in this forum.
Pete has zero chance to become POTUS.
Not zero. I can see him in the final 3 with Warren and Biden.
chuckle
Might want to get your vision checked .
Pete is a nonentity. The only thing he has got going for him is his gimmick.
It could be. We will find out.
Sure it is. What do you think all those straight men were doing with the visitors in Sodom and Gomorrah?GrowlTowel said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
How do you know? According to 47, butt sex isn't in the Bible. Heck, ass thumpers hold the key salvation. Can I get an Amen?
contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Exactly. Contrario is projecting intolerance where none was stated or implied. The "come to church sober" concept means Christians should not to revel in their sin, anywhere, but most especially at church, or worse insist on changes to theology to justify it as theologically acceptable activity in a house of the Lord.MoneyBear said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Correct. Jesus taught that we ought to be changed by our knowledge of His words. He claimed that sinners were "sick", "lost", "dead", etc. He told the woman caught in adultery to go he way and sin no more. He said if we loved Him we would keep His commandments.
The Bible is clear that God loves all people but hates sin. He wants us to stop sinning and not wallow in it. Somewhere along the way we decided that the love and grace of God was so great that we could behave however we want and a sinful lifestyle would be acceptable before Him...take a look at Romans 6:1-2. How can we who DIED TO SIN live any longer in it?
I'll bet he gets poled a lot.tommie said:
My bias along with his fundraising and poling leads me to believe he has a chance.
ScottS said:
He plays baseball?
contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
I'm not going to get in a theological debate with you. You will likely dominate me, and that's fine. My point is that to love the sinner, one must allow them into God's house. There are probably many scriptures that agree with me, and there are probably many that could disagree with me. That's what's so great about the Bible, is one verse it says to love everyone and another verse says it's ok to do things that our modern world finds reprehensible. One verse says one group of people saw Jesus first after his resurrection, another says another group saw him first. The ambiguity is great fodder for those that want to make excuses for actions. I would prefer to live my life in a loving and accepting way, especially for "self-inflicting" sins.MoneyBear said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Correct. Jesus taught that we ought to be changed by our knowledge of His words. He claimed that sinners were "sick", "lost", "dead", etc. He told the woman caught in adultery to go he way and sin no more. He said if we loved Him we would keep His commandments.
The Bible is clear that God loves all people but hates sin. He wants us to stop sinning and not wallow in it. Somewhere along the way we decided that the love and grace of God was so great that we could behave however we want and a sinful lifestyle would be acceptable before Him...take a look at Romans 6:1-2. How can we who DIED TO SIN live any longer in it?
I'm not going to vote for Pete on any ballot, but why does his sexual orientation matter? We have never had a problem with a sexually promiscuous president, as long as we agree with his politics, why should this be any different? If you disagree with his politics, that's understandable, but what does what he does in the bedroom have any concern to you? Especially if you have no concerns with what goes on in Trump's bedrooms or other politicians you support?Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
contrario said:I'm not going to vote for Pete on any ballot, but why does his sexual orientation matter? We have never had a problem with a sexually promiscuous president, as long as we agree with his politics, why should this be any different? If you disagree with his politics, that's understandable, but what does what he does in the bedroom have any concern to you? Especially if you have no concerns with what goes on in Trump's bedrooms or other politicians you support?Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
It's so odd.
contrario said:I'm not going to vote for Pete on any ballot, but why does his sexual orientation matter? We have never had a problem with a sexually promiscuous president, as long as we agree with his politics, why should this be any different? If you disagree with his politics, that's understandable, but what does what he does in the bedroom have any concern to you? Especially if you have no concerns with what goes on in Trump's bedrooms or other politicians you support?Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
It's so odd.
I didn't post I was backing him. Good grief, I posted that him being a homosexual won't make a difference. There's many more well reasoned thoughts on why someone might not vote for him.Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
Well, some of have had problems with sexually promiscuous presidents. That said, what Mayor Pete does in the bedroom is a reflection of his person and can be understood to impact his policies. It isn't that hard to connect the dots. And what makes you think conservatives have "no concerns" with what goes on in Trump's bedrooms or other politicians you support"? Of course we do. It seems this must be repeated ad infinitum - whatever Trump's flaws, he's better than the alternatives. Simple stuff.contrario said:I'm not going to vote for Pete on any ballot, but why does his sexual orientation matter? We have never had a problem with a sexually promiscuous president, as long as we agree with his politics, why should this be any different? If you disagree with his politics, that's understandable, but what does what he does in the bedroom have any concern to you? Especially if you have no concerns with what goes on in Trump's bedrooms or other politicians you support?Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
It's so odd.
I would never argue against the part in bold. I would not only "allow" a sinner into church but I would welcome them in and even drag them if I must (this is called hyperbole for those of you already prepping a hate-filled response).contrario said:I'm not going to get in a theological debate with you. You will likely dominate me, and that's fine. My point is that to love the sinner, one must allow them into God's house. There are probably many scriptures that agree with me, and there are probably many that could disagree with me. That's what's so great about the Bible, is one verse it says to love everyone and another verse says it's ok to do things that our modern world finds reprehensible. One verse says one group of people saw Jesus first after his resurrection, another says another group saw him first. The ambiguity is great fodder for those that want to make excuses for actions. I would prefer to live my life in a loving and accepting way, especially for "self-inflicting" sins.MoneyBear said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Correct. Jesus taught that we ought to be changed by our knowledge of His words. He claimed that sinners were "sick", "lost", "dead", etc. He told the woman caught in adultery to go he way and sin no more. He said if we loved Him we would keep His commandments.
The Bible is clear that God loves all people but hates sin. He wants us to stop sinning and not wallow in it. Somewhere along the way we decided that the love and grace of God was so great that we could behave however we want and a sinful lifestyle would be acceptable before Him...take a look at Romans 6:1-2. How can we who DIED TO SIN live any longer in it?
MoneyBear said:I would never argue against the part in bold. I would not only "allow" a sinner into church but I would welcome them in and even drag them if I must (this is called hyperbole for those of you already prepping a hate-filled response).contrario said:I'm not going to get in a theological debate with you. You will likely dominate me, and that's fine. My point is that to love the sinner, one must allow them into God's house. There are probably many scriptures that agree with me, and there are probably many that could disagree with me. That's what's so great about the Bible, is one verse it says to love everyone and another verse says it's ok to do things that our modern world finds reprehensible. One verse says one group of people saw Jesus first after his resurrection, another says another group saw him first. The ambiguity is great fodder for those that want to make excuses for actions. I would prefer to live my life in a loving and accepting way, especially for "self-inflicting" sins.MoneyBear said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Correct. Jesus taught that we ought to be changed by our knowledge of His words. He claimed that sinners were "sick", "lost", "dead", etc. He told the woman caught in adultery to go he way and sin no more. He said if we loved Him we would keep His commandments.
The Bible is clear that God loves all people but hates sin. He wants us to stop sinning and not wallow in it. Somewhere along the way we decided that the love and grace of God was so great that we could behave however we want and a sinful lifestyle would be acceptable before Him...take a look at Romans 6:1-2. How can we who DIED TO SIN live any longer in it?
My contention is that once sinners are in our worship services, we do a disservice to them, ourselves, and God by telling them that their sinful lifestyle is fine and they shouldn't change a thing. Not even saying you said this but it's the leap that a lot of "christians" want to take in the name of "loving sinners"...
Pete would most likely agree with your last sentence.whiterock said:Exactly. Contrario is projecting intolerance where none was stated or implied. The "come to church sober" concept means Christians should not to revel in their sin, anywhere, but most especially at church, or worse insist on changes to theology to justify it as theologically acceptable activity in a house of the Lord.MoneyBear said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
Lyes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
Correct. Jesus taught that we ought to be changed by our knowledge of His words. He claimed that sinners were "sick", "lost", "dead", etc. He told the woman caught in adultery to go he way and sin no more. He said if we loved Him we would keep His commandments.
The Bible is clear that God loves all people but hates sin. He wants us to stop sinning and not wallow in it. Somewhere along the way we decided that the love and grace of God was so great that we could behave however we want and a sinful lifestyle would be acceptable before Him...take a look at Romans 6:1-2. How can we who DIED TO SIN live any longer in it?
Should Christians prevent a known alcoholic from attending church? Certainly not.
Should Christians ask an inebriated person to leave a worship service? Yes. We should also minister to that person on the way out, and on the way to buy them breakfast & coffee to sober up, etc....
It is possible to have an inclusive approach to faith which does not undermine the sufficiency of scripture.
Ignorant cultural Christians like to defend their intolerance of Christian homosexuals by focusing on what they believe to be a refusal on the part of these people to conform to Biblical norms. You'll use your completely self imputed righteousness to ridicule and demean in the name of a God who would never cosign your actions.Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
So, you're strictly dickly?GrowlTowel said:
I am not bothered by it. If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.
GolemIII said:contrario said:Whiterock said "come to church sober", which would imply "come to church sober, or don't come at all." And the entire tone of many of the posters on here is that Pete isn't a Christian and/or shouldn't be allowed to claim he is a Christian because he is a sinner. That's not what Jesus taughtJohnny Bear said:Who is suggesting anyone should be "denied access to God's house"??contrario said:That's not my place to decide. I know many Christians like to act as if they are God's judges on earth, but that isn't the case. Only one can make judgements about the actions of humans, and it's no one posting on this message board.Gold Tron said:Would they not try to encourage and help you fight your addictions? If you come to Church repeatedly intoxicated, I think you might not be sincere.contrario said:The church I know would want people to comes as they are, sins and flaws and all.whiterock said:
yes, God loves alcoholics, but I rather suspect he expects them to come to church sober.
it's not that one has sin in one's life.
it's that one should not revel in one's sin.
come to church sober.
If a sinner continues to show up at church in sin, it seems to me that would be the one God, and us, should be most interested in helping because they are there for a reason. I'm absolutely shocked that so called Christians on here would suggest a sinner should be denied access to God's house when that is the complete opposite of what Jesus taught.
He shouldn't call himself a Christian because he knowingly twists and lies about Christ's teachings and biblical definitions of sin. At the very least he should voluntarily tie a gigantic millstone around his neck and go for a swim in a very deep sea.
cinque said:Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
That said, why are ignorant cultural Christians not as bothered by Trump's refusal to conform to Biblical norms?
cinque said:Ignorant cultural Christians like to defend their intolerance of Christian homosexuals by focusing on what they believe to be a refusal on the part of these people to conform to Biblical norms. You'll use your completely self imputed righteousness to ridicule and demean in the name of a God who would never cosign your actions.Florda_mike said:
Pretty typical xile, Tom and crew back this Buttguy fella
Gay man president? Gimme a break
The easiest way to get a sense of the kind of relationship one has with God is to look at how they treat other people who love God and are loved by God.
That said, why are ignorant cultural Christians not as bothered by Trump's refusal to conform to Biblical norms?
badda bing.................ScottS said:
He plays baseball?