Wait! What? But dt said
Thanks for the non-response. Your president said the tax cut would pay for itself. Another Lieriflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve
this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
riflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
The most recent figures were around $200B prior to 2019 and the mass crisis influx of illegals this year and the facilities being built and judges being hired to handle everything is raising that # significantly. Not to mention the rising healthcare costs to treat them. Maybe 22-24% would be closer to the correct #.codyorr said:riflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
Can you provide a source that 25% of our budget deficit is going towards illegal and undocumented immigrants?
Per CBO: FY 2019 projected deficit is $960 Billion
So 25% is about 250 Billion. Preferably a non-partisan source?
riflebear said:The most recent figures were around $200B prior to 2019 and the mass crisis influx of illegals this year and the facilities being built and judges being hired to handle everything is raising that # significantly. Not to mention the rising healthcare costs to treat them. Maybe 22-24% would be closer to the correct #.codyorr said:riflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
Can you provide a source that 25% of our budget deficit is going towards illegal and undocumented immigrants?
Per CBO: FY 2019 projected deficit is $960 Billion
So 25% is about 250 Billion. Preferably a non-partisan source?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/439930-your-taxpayer-dollars-are-footing-the-spiraling-costs-of-illegal-immigration
What did she site that was incorrect? Seems she sourced everything. I don't have the time to cross check and we all know #'s can be fudged both directions but bottom line is the # is insane and never should have gone this high. Both parties are to blame but we all know it's now the Dems who demonize any idea that GOP comes up w/ and they will never come to a deal w/ Trump before 2020. That's their future voting block if they are ever to regain power. They can't mess w/ it.codyorr said:riflebear said:The most recent figures were around $200B prior to 2019 and the mass crisis influx of illegals this year and the facilities being built and judges being hired to handle everything is raising that # significantly. Not to mention the rising healthcare costs to treat them. Maybe 22-24% would be closer to the correct #.codyorr said:riflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
Can you provide a source that 25% of our budget deficit is going towards illegal and undocumented immigrants?
Per CBO: FY 2019 projected deficit is $960 Billion
So 25% is about 250 Billion. Preferably a non-partisan source?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/439930-your-taxpayer-dollars-are-footing-the-spiraling-costs-of-illegal-immigration
I saw that. But it's an editorial, so I don't consider it reliable on it's own. The only clear number I saw was $116 Billion from a report by FAIR, which is not non-partisan or known for being unbiased. And even if it were correct, the cost is for 2017, so I doubt it has almost doubled in 2 years.
riflebear said:What did she site that was incorrect? Seems she sourced everything. I don't have the time to cross check and we all know #'s can be fudged both directions but bottom line is the # is insane and never should have gone this high. Both parties are to blame but we all know it's now the Dems who demonize any idea that GOP comes up w/ and they will never come to a deal w/ Trump before 2020. That's their future voting block if they are ever to regain power. They can't mess w/ it.codyorr said:riflebear said:The most recent figures were around $200B prior to 2019 and the mass crisis influx of illegals this year and the facilities being built and judges being hired to handle everything is raising that # significantly. Not to mention the rising healthcare costs to treat them. Maybe 22-24% would be closer to the correct #.codyorr said:riflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
Can you provide a source that 25% of our budget deficit is going towards illegal and undocumented immigrants?
Per CBO: FY 2019 projected deficit is $960 Billion
So 25% is about 250 Billion. Preferably a non-partisan source?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/439930-your-taxpayer-dollars-are-footing-the-spiraling-costs-of-illegal-immigration
I saw that. But it's an editorial, so I don't consider it reliable on it's own. The only clear number I saw was $116 Billion from a report by FAIR, which is not non-partisan or known for being unbiased. And even if it were correct, the cost is for 2017, so I doubt it has almost doubled in 2 years.
Budget deficit decreased 3 of Bush's last 4 years. Even with Obama's decreases in deficits, he was still nearly $200B higher than Bush's highest deficit when he left office. Some context is key.HuMcK said:
Remember how deficits shrank under Clinton (some credit to H W Bush) and Obama, but ballooned under Reagan/W Bush/Trump? Righties in this thread talking about how noone could ever cut spending and raise taxes enough to fix the budget...did y'all forget about the budget surplus at the end of Clinton's term? Remember when Obama offered Boehner $9 in spending cuts for every $1 in new tax increases and got rejected? Recent history shows GOP Presidents generally don't care about the deficit at all, but Democrats seem to care about it at least a little.
1. Prove that the tax cut hasn't paid for itself...the CBO reflects the overall deficit NOT the tax cutsWaco1947 said:Thanks for the non-response. Your president said the tax cut would pay for itself. Another Lieriflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve
this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
Yet you will turn around and vote for $200 trillion in proposed spending by Democrats and you don't care how many jobs they destroy with extreme regulations and taxes.HuMcK said:
Remember how deficits shrank under Clinton (some credit to H W Bush) and Obama, but ballooned under Reagan/W Bush/Trump? Righties in this thread talking about how noone could ever cut spending and raise taxes enough to fix the budget...did y'all forget about the budget surplus at the end of Clinton's term? Remember when Obama offered Boehner $9 in spending cuts for every $1 in new tax increases and got rejected? Recent history shows GOP Presidents generally don't care about the deficit at all, but Democrats seem to care about it at least a little.
Couldn't agree more.nein51 said:
The downfall of our way of life will eventually be finances. The populace has already figured out they can vote themselves the purse strings and to Canada's point there is no way a politician is getting voted in on a platform of:
Reduced military spending
Reduced government spending
Reduced entitlement spending
It's, literally, never going to happen. At some point we will fall under the weight of our crushing debt. I consider it an inevitability.
fadskier said:1. Prove that the tax cut hasn't paid for itself...the CBO reflects the overall deficit NOT the tax cutsWaco1947 said:Thanks for the non-response. Your president said the tax cut would pay for itself. Another Lieriflebear said:
25% of that (and rising) is on illegal/undocumented immigrants alone. Imagine if Congress would have come together and acted to resolve
this 3 or 10 or 20 years ago? Granted they would have found somewhere else to waste all that money, but Libs just want to keep handing out more free stuff.
Bernie is proposing a $15 TRILLION plan this week - I wonder what our deficit would be if that happened?
2. The Trump administration predicted that the deficit would reach $1 trillion and CBO is actually a slight bit under this
3.The growing deficit is NOT in relation to tax cuts but INCREASED SPENDING
4. YOUR preferred candidates for 2020 would INCREASE spending
Oh yeah, we all did.
Me neitherBaylorOkie said:Couldn't agree more.nein51 said:
The downfall of our way of life will eventually be finances. The populace has already figured out they can vote themselves the purse strings and to Canada's point there is no way a politician is getting voted in on a platform of:
Reduced military spending
Reduced government spending
Reduced entitlement spending
It's, literally, never going to happen. At some point we will fall under the weight of our crushing debt. I consider it an inevitability.