bearassnekkid said:
Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.
of course there isn't a constitutional right to die from gun violence. But there is a constitutional right to bear arms. Try to amend the constitution if you want, but there is no amendment protecting one's right to vape, which is why the OP is idiotic and a false equivalency.tommie said:bearassnekkid said:
Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.
There's no constitutional right to just die from gun violence. I should be able to be killed by cigarettes or drugs or drunk behind the wheel.
thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
There is no constitutional right to possess a specific type of weapon that poses a greater risk to the public than other guns.bearassnekkid said:
Yeah, other than an explicit Constitutional right, the two things are basically identical. Good comparison.
OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.cms186 said:thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.
2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)
3: This video:
ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.
Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?
TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the detailsbearassnekkid said:OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.cms186 said:thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.
2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)
3: This video:
ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.
Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?
TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
LOL.cms186 said:why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the detailsbearassnekkid said:OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.cms186 said:thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.
2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)
3: This video:
ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.
Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?
TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )
In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
Like what?cowboycwr said:LOL.cms186 said:why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the detailsbearassnekkid said:OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.cms186 said:thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.
2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)
3: This video:
ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.
Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?
TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )
In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.
Those stats are skewed to make them worse than they are.
They include things that are not gun deaths in the gun death category.
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As usual you use a false argument to start with.
Again why do you care what happens in a country you do not live in? Go away.
Yep and that's why I conceal carry!cinque said:
The American people are no longer buying the con argument that dying in mass shootings is an inevitability they must accept.
Maybe you missed my "comparing apples and toasters" comment. Comparing unrelated things and creating a false equivalency is ridiculous. If you'd rather I can compare the deaths from any other number of random objects and then see if there is a constitutional right attached to one of them, and we can start lots of meaningless threads.cms186 said:why are you comparing Americas Gun Deaths to the Global number of Car Crashes? that's bizarre and incredibly misleading, i'm going to be generous and assume you read an article without properly digesting the detailsbearassnekkid said:OP compared based on number of fatalities. So as long as we're comparing apples and toasters, might as well throw in the fatality comparison of 36,000 vs 1.25 MILLION. That was the point. Dumb comparisons are dumb.cms186 said:thats a bull**** argument on various frontscontrario said:
Why focus on guns? Over 3,000 people die per day in vehicle accidents. 3,000 PER DAY!!
1: Cars arent designed to cause harm, they are a method of transportation, there are so many Auto fatalities because Cars are so prevalent throughout everyday society, pretty much every household in the country owns a car and many own several.Guns primary aim is to cause harm and potentially death to a living being.
2: People that die in auto fatalities are, overwhelmingly the victims of accidents, there are rare cases of people using their cars as weapons, but these are overwhelming exceptions to the rule, People that die in Firearms fatalities are usually the victims of someone aiming to kill someone (or at least cause harm to someone else)
3: This video:
ably demonstrates point 3, The Government and Car Companies in various forms have conducted masses of research and taken many steps to reduce Fatalities in Car accidents, Technology such as Airbags, ABS, Crumple Zones and many, many more different technological innovations have been implemented in order to make Cars safer to drive.
Why cant these steps be taken to look at ways to reduce Gun Violence? Im no expert, so im not going to make suggestions as to what these innovations (be they Technological or implementation of new legislation) could be, but why are you (this is a general you rather than you in particular) so opposed to looking into it?
TLDR: Focus on Guns because nothing is being done about them, plenty has and will be done in the future about Auto Fatalities
Also, since you're throwing out "accidents" as a talking point, please remove all accidental gun deaths from your statistics in the future when discussing gun related deaths. K thanks.
Heres where your argument gets blown out of the water, in 2017, there were 37'133 Auto Fatalities in the USA according to the NHTSA ( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/06/17/car-crashes-36-750-people-were-killed-us-2018-nhtsa-estimates/1478103001/ )
In the same year, there were 39'773 Gun Deaths ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ ), so in the USA, more people are killed by Guns than they are by Cars.