Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
Hillary wasn't my favorite candiate. My mistake was thinking she was more electable than Bernie Sanders, who was too far t the left for me. Looking back, I think he would have beat Trump. People wanted change and Hillary was the status quo.fadskier said:She can't. She's too bitter about Hillary's loss. She can't let go.Doc Holliday said:At some point jinx, you need some common sense.Jinx 2 said:Go public!Doc Holliday said:All the DNC presidential candidates raped me at the same time while drinking Soy tall boys and playing eminem while shouting "THIS IS DNC CALIPHATE!"Jinx 2 said:
This is not a conversation we should be having about an appointee to the highest court in the land.
That tantrum Kavanaugh threw made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. A friend is married to a high-functioning alcholic, and she was upset because she recognized the defensive and abusive tone he took with Sen. Amuy Kobachar. I don't think he would have snarled "I like beer. Do you like beer, Senator?" at a man of either party.
That hearing shredded what was left of SCOTUS's legitimacy following the Merrick Garland stonewall. People need to have faith in the democratic system and the objectivity of the justice system, and the Republicans have undermined BOTH of those foundations. Shame on them.
I have 314 alleged witnesses.
Put logic before politics for once in your life.
Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
Jinx 2 said:Twitter is not a valid news source. It's like the old game of "Gossip" we used to play in youth group.riflebear said:How would you have reacted if this had happened to you, then?Jinx 2 said:
This is not a conversation we should be having about an appointee to the highest court in the land.
That tantrum Kavanaugh threw made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. A friend is married to a high-functioning alcholic, and she was upset because she recognized the defensive and abusive tone he took with Sen. Amuy Kobachar. I don't think he would have snarled "I like beer. Do you like beer, Senator?" at a man of either party.
That hearing shredded what was left of SCOTUS's legitimacy following the Merrick Garland stonewall. People need to have faith in the democratic system and the objectivity of the justice system, and the Republicans have undermined BOTH of those foundations. Shame on them.
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I'll say it again so you can ignore it again: there was nothing unusual about Merrick Garland. Outgoing presidents historically don't get SCOTUS appointments confirmed when they don't have a Senate majority. Nepotism laws don't apply to the president, there was no nepotism in Trump's hires, and it would be a moot point if there were since his relatives aren't paid. Releasing tax returns is a voluntary custom that only started with Nixon. As for lies, we could argue til the cows come home about who lies more. That's half of what political debate is.Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
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There is no licensing of journalists (nor should there be), there are professional organizations, but they depend on media organizations behaving by those standards. I don't know what the solution is.BearFan33 said:
Isn't there a professional society that will censure "journalists" when they do something like that? Do journalists have a license? They desperately need some standards in the field. They are taking the country down a path to civil war with their malpractice.
1. Washington Post had this information and refused to publish because they considered it unreliable.Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
Jinx,Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
You were saying?Jinx 2 said:
Ramirrez's account of her treatment, which amounted to a cruel form of humliation rather than assault, has been corroborated by a number of credible witnesses. The FBI just wouldn't talk to them, despite being requested to do so by Sen. Chris Coons. I believe Blasey-Ford, but think that he was so drunk he had no memory of it.
And it's readily apparent that the girls in his circle were meaningless nobodies to him--essentially nameless targets of crude innuendo and drunken assaults or, with Ramirez, acts of cruelty intended to demean.
But had he said, "I drank too much in high school and college and I know I did some things I regret and probably don't remember all of them," I might have concluded he had the wisdom, character and maturity needed to serve on the Supreme Court.
He didn't do that. Instead, he angrily denied the allegations and characterized them as an assault against HIM, throwing a public tantrum that gained the admiration of Trump and won him the support of all of the old White Republican Men on the Senate Judiciary Committee, but proving to any rational observer that he was not qualified by character or temperament for a seat on the highest court in the land.
When you pass the bar, there's a character requirement. Kavanaugh's sefl-serving, mean-drunk public rant during what was essentially a high-profile job interview televised to the entire nation made me wonder if he even qualified for admission to the bar, much less a seat on SCOTUS.
D. C. Bear said:There is no licensing of journalists (nor should there be), there are professional organizations, but they depend on media organizations behaving by those standards. I don't know what the solution is.BearFan33 said:
Isn't there a professional society that will censure "journalists" when they do something like that? Do journalists have a license? They desperately need some standards in the field. They are taking the country down a path to civil war with their malpractice.
There is no risk of that, it has already happened. There isn't journalism anymore, only stories written in a way to appeal to their confirmation bias starving readers. FNC, CNN, NYT, they are all appealing to their audience. There is no incentive to do objective journalism.Sam Lowry said:
There's absolutely no way journalists will be subject to licensing requirements consistent with the 1st Amendment. It cannot and should not happen.
What is frightening is that liberals are losing their attachment to journalistic standards. The mainstream media have been biased to the left for a long time, but they've also adhered to certain rules. If the NYT isn't at least striving to be objective, who will? Certainly not FOX News. We're increasingly at risk of a situation where all journalism is advocacy.
It's already there. There has to be a way to balance free speech rights with basic journalism standards. You are entitled to free speech but not a national platform to spew lies.Sam Lowry said:
There's absolutely no way journalists will be subject to licensing requirements consistent with the 1st Amendment. It cannot and should not happen.
What is frightening is that liberals are losing their attachment to journalistic standards. The mainstream media have been biased to the left for a long time, but they've also adhered to certain rules. If the NYT isn't at least striving to be objective, who will? Certainly not FOX News. We're increasingly at risk of a situation where all journalism is advocacy.
I didn't sell out. I voted for my candidate. When he didn't win the nomination, it came down to Hillary v. Trump. Trump was the only choice. I was not a pro-Trumper early on, but when people like you go all insane over everything that happens, it makes me support him more.Jinx 2 said:Hillary wasn't my favorite candiate. My mistake was thinking she was more electable than Bernie Sanders, who was too far t the left for me. Looking back, I think he would have beat Trump. People wanted change and Hillary was the status quo.fadskier said:She can't. She's too bitter about Hillary's loss. She can't let go.Doc Holliday said:At some point jinx, you need some common sense.Jinx 2 said:Go public!Doc Holliday said:All the DNC presidential candidates raped me at the same time while drinking Soy tall boys and playing eminem while shouting "THIS IS DNC CALIPHATE!"Jinx 2 said:
This is not a conversation we should be having about an appointee to the highest court in the land.
That tantrum Kavanaugh threw made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. A friend is married to a high-functioning alcholic, and she was upset because she recognized the defensive and abusive tone he took with Sen. Amuy Kobachar. I don't think he would have snarled "I like beer. Do you like beer, Senator?" at a man of either party.
That hearing shredded what was left of SCOTUS's legitimacy following the Merrick Garland stonewall. People need to have faith in the democratic system and the objectivity of the justice system, and the Republicans have undermined BOTH of those foundations. Shame on them.
I have 314 alleged witnesses.
Put logic before politics for once in your life.
If I'm bitter about anything, it's that the Republicans sold out to a crass boob like Trump. I'm embarrassed and scared every day he's president.
Not illegal and logicalJinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
What did he lie about?Jinx 2 said:
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/15/calls-justice-kavanaughs-impeachment-are-mounting-heres-how-it-could-work/
What's clear, however, is that perjury is a significant offense, especially for a judge.
The question of lying under oath is particularly important for someone who would be or is a member of the judiciary, according to Lisa Graves, a former Senate Judiciary Committee lawyer who called for Kavanaugh's impeachment after his confirmation to the Supreme Court.
A judge, she said, is a symbol of integrity and the law. To the extent that a judge's integrity is tainted, it disables that person from being able to continue as a judge.
"Lawyers are officers of the court," Graves, who is also a former deputy assistant U.S. attorney general, told The Post. "Courts rule on matters and assess witness credibility all the time, so honesty, integrity and truthfulness are paramount qualities for a judge."
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I am suspicious of the word reportedly. Good journalism confirms reports. - Waco47
It's he said she said, and with most of the accusations, it's "she can't remember any facts" or "she doesn't remember the incident, but a Clinton associate with an axe to grind remembers."Jinx 2 said:
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/15/calls-justice-kavanaughs-impeachment-are-mounting-heres-how-it-could-work/
What's clear, however, is that perjury is a significant offense, especially for a judge.
The question of lying under oath is particularly important for someone who would be or is a member of the judiciary, according to Lisa Graves, a former Senate Judiciary Committee lawyer who called for Kavanaugh's impeachment after his confirmation to the Supreme Court.
A judge, she said, is a symbol of integrity and the law. To the extent that a judge's integrity is tainted, it disables that person from being able to continue as a judge.
"Lawyers are officers of the court," Graves, who is also a former deputy assistant U.S. attorney general, told The Post. "Courts rule on matters and assess witness credibility all the time, so honesty, integrity and truthfulness are paramount qualities for a judge."
We used to educate journalists and train them to have very high ethical standards. Those have slipped precipitously, probably because of a combination of factors. The problem with treating journalists like doctors is that it runs afoul of the First Amendment.BearFan33 said:D. C. Bear said:There is no licensing of journalists (nor should there be), there are professional organizations, but they depend on media organizations behaving by those standards. I don't know what the solution is.BearFan33 said:
Isn't there a professional society that will censure "journalists" when they do something like that? Do journalists have a license? They desperately need some standards in the field. They are taking the country down a path to civil war with their malpractice.
The journalistic professional organizations have done an absolute terrible job policing the profession. Doctors have to have to pass board exams and get a medical license in order to practice. Assuming they pass the boards, if the mess up enough, they lose the ability to practice. It seems to me what "journalists" can do with a pen is more dangerous to society than what a doctor can do.
Here's a story about the Times' reporting: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/turmoil-engulfs-the-times-over-kavanaugh-debacleD. C. Bear said:Jinx,Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
The fact that you are unbothered by the NYT's lack of journalistic integrity says a lot about you, and none of it good. That Trump "lies on a daily basis" does not create an excuse for journalists to abandon their professionalism. Politicians traffic in lies. Journalists are supposed to drive home the truth.
Indeed.Oldbear83 said:
Vanity Fair is not exactly an exemplar of integrity and balance in its articles.
And this speaks to the broader problem.D. C. Bear said:Indeed.Oldbear83 said:
Vanity Fair is not exactly an exemplar of integrity and balance in its articles.
When other outlets refuse to run a story because it isn't credible, and the NYT runs it in what is basically an opinion section, that's a serious ethical failing on their part and only serves to further erode already low levels of trust in media.
I heard much of Gross' "interview" and it was infuriating. Gross and the authors of the now debunked hit piece had a discussion as though all accusations (including Fords) against Kav were true. There was no talk about about credibility or the multitude of problems with these, at best, dubious accusations. They just proceeded on in their own little fantasy world.Jinx 2 said:Here's a story about the Times' reporting: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/turmoil-engulfs-the-times-over-kavanaugh-debacleD. C. Bear said:Jinx,Jinx 2 said:Merrick Garland.Sam Lowry said:
Three years of false allegations designed to unseat a duly elected president and a duly appointed Supreme Court justice, and it's the Republicans who are undermining democracy? Unbelievable.
No tax returns.
Lies on a daily basis.
Nepotism.
....
The fact that you are unbothered by the NYT's lack of journalistic integrity says a lot about you, and none of it good. That Trump "lies on a daily basis" does not create an excuse for journalists to abandon their professionalism. Politicians traffic in lies. Journalists are supposed to drive home the truth.
And here's a link to Terry Gross's Fresh Air podcast yesterday I listened to about this story: https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnByLm9yZy9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC5waHA_aWQ9MzgxNDQ0OTA4&episode=MWU0MjJiZGEtY2IxZS00MjE1LWI1OWEtN2I2OGRkYjljNmE2&hl=en&ep=6&at=1568728912433
Doc Holliday said:
How in the hell can these people even pretend that they support Democracy?
I had that same question--how the hell can these people claim to support democracy?-when Mitch McConnell wouldn't even meet with Merrick Garland or consider his nomination. I think you and every other conservative posting on this board underestimate exactly how wrong, undemocratic and partisan that was, and that it's viewed by most Democrats as undermining both the legitimacy of the Supreme Court and the nomination process.Doc Holliday said:
How in the hell can these people even pretend that they support Democracy?