I'm guessing my sons track meet scheduled for 03/28 in Houston will end up being cancelled.Canada2017 said:trey3216 said:
Houston about to announce they're shutting down the Rodeo.
Common sense decision.
Going to see many sporting events, schools, and entertainment venues shut down within the next 30 days .
This pandemic is as real as it gets . Glad to see people doing what's necessary.
Forest Bueller_bf said:I'm guessing my sons track meet scheduled for 03/28 in Houston will end up being cancelled.Canada2017 said:trey3216 said:
Houston about to announce they're shutting down the Rodeo.
Common sense decision.
Going to see many sporting events, schools, and entertainment venues shut down within the next 30 days .
This pandemic is as real as it gets . Glad to see people doing what's necessary.
I just hope the local one next week isn't cancelled.
Rice closed over a week ago.boognish_bear said:PartyBear said:
Universities across the country are shutting down in person classes. Those of you who say panic is a bad policy you should call Pat Neff and tell them. I personally think the Baylor administration is very wise and pragmatic about this. I praise them for this.
Baylor seemed to have the lead on this in the state...about 30 mins after BU's announcement TCU and UTSA made almost identical announcements
For those three I can give you thirty that didn't.TexasScientist said:You mean sort of like Katrina, Ike, or Maria went somewhere else?BaylorTaxman said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
This cancellation and warning and hording reminds me of hurricane forecasts. They always predict it's coming up your driveway and somehow it goes somewhere else.
LOL at "coming up your driveway".....
A scary conspiracy theory?riflebear said:
Remember those Chinese protests and how bad they were getting and all the bad press across the globe?
I wonder what would be the best way to stop the protests and get people off the streets?
The one in Houston will have well over 1000 people there and Houston has had some cases, it is also on the weekend so the general could go.Jack Bauer said:Forest Bueller_bf said:I'm guessing my sons track meet scheduled for 03/28 in Houston will end up being cancelled.Canada2017 said:trey3216 said:
Houston about to announce they're shutting down the Rodeo.
Common sense decision.
Going to see many sporting events, schools, and entertainment venues shut down within the next 30 days .
This pandemic is as real as it gets . Glad to see people doing what's necessary.
I just hope the local one next week isn't cancelled.
Is this considered a "large gathering"? If so, where does it end- school carnivals, spring break camps? Easter Egg Hunts??
More drama. You should write for the soap operas, Sam.Sam Lowry said:250 is a number, not an emotion. It won't be my child this time, but it will be someone else's.Oldbear83 said:Oh good hypothetical anecdotes based on emotion.Sam Lowry said:That doesn't help the severe stroke victim who can't get an ICU bed. Or for another example, I had a child on ECMO a few years ago. There are only about 250 of those machines in the country. If they're all occupied, my kid dies whether he has the virus or not. And while the mortality rate is relatively low compared to some of the worst viruses, it's still much higher than we're accustomed to. We're doing the right thing shutting down as much as we can. Actually we should be doing more.ATL Bear said:
Isn't the human body the most effective fighter of viruses like this? I know some bodies do it better than others (older vs younger, compromised immune systems, etc.), but given the symptoms and mortality rate of this virus, do we really need to be as frightened as we are? And we'll eventually have a vaccine that will work as poorly as the flu vaccines today do.
I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but are some of these extreme measures really that necessary?
Always the best way to make policy.
Well ...quash said:A scary conspiracy theory?riflebear said:
Remember those Chinese protests and how bad they were getting and all the bad press across the globe?
I wonder what would be the best way to stop the protests and get people off the streets?
I was saying Egypt is the "hot zone" for Covid-19 in Africa.Sam Lowry said:I think the mortality rate may be somewhat inflated, but as Dr. Fauci said, even 1% presents a problem. I don't agree that Egypt is the only country where it's increasing. By my calculations it's doubling about every five days in the US. You don't have to shut down for 12-18 months, though. In the worst case scenario, it would probably subside when half the population was infected. It could go a lot better, depending on what measures we take. The important thing is that acting sooner is exponentially more effective than acting later. The speed of increase is more important in a way than the final amount, because it's what determines the healthcare system's ability to cope.ATL Bear said:If a vaccine is 12-18 months away, how could we possibly "shutdown" for that long? The mortality rate is inflated due to the numbers from China, who's healthcare capabilities suck. Africa and Latin America seem to be prospectively ok. Egypt is the only country where its picking up primarily due to foreigners. These continents are prime candidates for pandemic spread.Sam Lowry said:That doesn't help the severe stroke victim who can't get an ICU bed. Or for another example, I had a child on ECMO a few years ago. There are only about 250 of those machines in the country. If they're all occupied, my kid dies whether he has the virus or not. And while the mortality rate is relatively low compared to some of the worst viruses, it's still much higher than we're accustomed to. We're doing the right thing shutting down as much as we can. Actually we should be doing more.ATL Bear said:
Isn't the human body the most effective fighter of viruses like this? I know some bodies do it better than others (older vs younger, compromised immune systems, etc.), but given the symptoms and mortality rate of this virus, do we really need to be as frightened as we are? And we'll eventually have a vaccine that will work as poorly as the flu vaccines today do.
I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but are some of these extreme measures really that necessary?
Aliceinbubbleland said:How did they get tested? I was under the impression this was very difficult to get tested. Is Australia that far ahead of us?boognish_bear said:
Tom Hanks has it now
Gotcha.ATL Bear said:I was saying Egypt is the "hot zone" for Covid-19 in Africa.Sam Lowry said:I think the mortality rate may be somewhat inflated, but as Dr. Fauci said, even 1% presents a problem. I don't agree that Egypt is the only country where it's increasing. By my calculations it's doubling about every five days in the US. You don't have to shut down for 12-18 months, though. In the worst case scenario, it would probably subside when half the population was infected. It could go a lot better, depending on what measures we take. The important thing is that acting sooner is exponentially more effective than acting later. The speed of increase is more important in a way than the final amount, because it's what determines the healthcare system's ability to cope.ATL Bear said:If a vaccine is 12-18 months away, how could we possibly "shutdown" for that long? The mortality rate is inflated due to the numbers from China, who's healthcare capabilities suck. Africa and Latin America seem to be prospectively ok. Egypt is the only country where its picking up primarily due to foreigners. These continents are prime candidates for pandemic spread.Sam Lowry said:That doesn't help the severe stroke victim who can't get an ICU bed. Or for another example, I had a child on ECMO a few years ago. There are only about 250 of those machines in the country. If they're all occupied, my kid dies whether he has the virus or not. And while the mortality rate is relatively low compared to some of the worst viruses, it's still much higher than we're accustomed to. We're doing the right thing shutting down as much as we can. Actually we should be doing more.ATL Bear said:
Isn't the human body the most effective fighter of viruses like this? I know some bodies do it better than others (older vs younger, compromised immune systems, etc.), but given the symptoms and mortality rate of this virus, do we really need to be as frightened as we are? And we'll eventually have a vaccine that will work as poorly as the flu vaccines today do.
I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but are some of these extreme measures really that necessary?
https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html?linkId=83607077&fbclid=IwAR3SnoiLkPm_pdgTMLWbteWTpv5JSVw71hGsqJg6L_7xxHgaOAfB8P54gYkQuote:
Editor's Note: This story was updated on Wednesday (March 11) to reflect new data on how long SARS-CoV-2 can live on surfaces.
As the coronavirus outbreak continues to accelerate in the U.S., cleaning supplies are disappearing off the shelves and people are worried about every subway rail, deli counter and toilet seat they touch.
But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 2 to 3 days. However, this study, which was published in the preprint database medRxiv on Wednesday (March 11), has not yet yet been peer-reviewed.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=2020-03-11T16%3A56%3A39&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2hkBmKFPJghgyZCbx3tj4H-T6lPNcz3UA37p0NZ85WMKOYzm8wavtnexk&fbclid=IwAR298ATYXUdP_USrz3R6ko3gADVqRRQW0I56JV2c_MjYvVHeTtbS2GWKU-sQuote:
The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors
There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care.
Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.
One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.
Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.
Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of "catastrophe medicine." Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it may become necessary to follow "the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources."
What will be important is the test's sensitivity (how many false negatives do you get) and specificity (how many false positives you get) are, and how these compare to the CDC's standard. But regardless, this is good news if true, and yes, a good example of how privatization can outperform government.riflebear said:This is when capitalism and the private sector are very good.boognish_bear said:
Baylor3216 said:
Will the socialists be forced to stop the charade for a bit and focus on saving lives?
Shows how useless the lot of the are
jupiter said:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=2020-03-11T16%3A56%3A39&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2hkBmKFPJghgyZCbx3tj4H-T6lPNcz3UA37p0NZ85WMKOYzm8wavtnexk&fbclid=IwAR298ATYXUdP_USrz3R6ko3gADVqRRQW0I56JV2c_MjYvVHeTtbS2GWKU-sQuote:
The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors
There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care.
Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.
One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.
Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.
Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of "catastrophe medicine." Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it may become necessary to follow "the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources."
Look no further than what is happening in Italy, if you don't think this is a serious issue. Their hospitals are full to the extent that they are practicing triage.Aliceinbubbleland said:For those three I can give you thirty that didn't.TexasScientist said:You mean sort of like Katrina, Ike, or Maria went somewhere else?BaylorTaxman said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
This cancellation and warning and hording reminds me of hurricane forecasts. They always predict it's coming up your driveway and somehow it goes somewhere else.
LOL at "coming up your driveway".....
Yes. They're using the WHO test. We rejected that test here to allow the CDC to develop their own test, which failed. Consequently, we had limited tests available. New tests had to be developed for use here in the U.S., and they're just now beginning to have tests available across the country.Aliceinbubbleland said:How did they get tested? I was under the impression this was very difficult to get tested. Is Australia that far ahead of us?boognish_bear said:
Tom Hanks has it now
This has the potential to overwhelm the capacity of our hospitals to deal with this and the other normal day in day out illness and trauma they are presented. Italy is overwhelmed.Oldbear83 said:More drama. You should write for the soap operas, Sam.Sam Lowry said:250 is a number, not an emotion. It won't be my child this time, but it will be someone else's.Oldbear83 said:Oh good hypothetical anecdotes based on emotion.Sam Lowry said:That doesn't help the severe stroke victim who can't get an ICU bed. Or for another example, I had a child on ECMO a few years ago. There are only about 250 of those machines in the country. If they're all occupied, my kid dies whether he has the virus or not. And while the mortality rate is relatively low compared to some of the worst viruses, it's still much higher than we're accustomed to. We're doing the right thing shutting down as much as we can. Actually we should be doing more.ATL Bear said:
Isn't the human body the most effective fighter of viruses like this? I know some bodies do it better than others (older vs younger, compromised immune systems, etc.), but given the symptoms and mortality rate of this virus, do we really need to be as frightened as we are? And we'll eventually have a vaccine that will work as poorly as the flu vaccines today do.
I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but are some of these extreme measures really that necessary?
Always the best way to make policy.
You've got to be kidding. This could easily overwhelm our ICU beds, leaving many to die for simple lack of space and resources. Not to mention medical personnel and their entire team getting removed from the workforce (as is happening inn Seattle) if they get infected. Look at Italy. Let's hope it doesn't end up like that, but we're so damned behind on testing, we don't really have a clue how bad it is right now.Oldbear83 said:More drama. You should write for the soap operas, Sam.Sam Lowry said:250 is a number, not an emotion. It won't be my child this time, but it will be someone else's.Oldbear83 said:Oh good hypothetical anecdotes based on emotion.Sam Lowry said:That doesn't help the severe stroke victim who can't get an ICU bed. Or for another example, I had a child on ECMO a few years ago. There are only about 250 of those machines in the country. If they're all occupied, my kid dies whether he has the virus or not. And while the mortality rate is relatively low compared to some of the worst viruses, it's still much higher than we're accustomed to. We're doing the right thing shutting down as much as we can. Actually we should be doing more.ATL Bear said:
Isn't the human body the most effective fighter of viruses like this? I know some bodies do it better than others (older vs younger, compromised immune systems, etc.), but given the symptoms and mortality rate of this virus, do we really need to be as frightened as we are? And we'll eventually have a vaccine that will work as poorly as the flu vaccines today do.
I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but are some of these extreme measures really that necessary?
Always the best way to make policy.
