https://www.postbulletin.com/news/business/mayo-clinic-to-furlough-or-reduce-pay-of-30-000-employees/article_19cd5d12-84d9-11ea-aa5b-47d0445c078f.html

Mayo Clinic to furlough or reduce pay of 30,000 employees

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Mayo Clinic is furloughing or reducing the hours of about 42 percent of its 70,000 employees across all of its campuses in an attempt to mitigate the financial losses from the COVID-19 pandemic.

Department managers at the clinic have been reaching out to employees all week about these changes.
"Approximately 30,000 staff from across all Mayo locations will receive reduced hours or some type of furlough, though the duration will vary depending on the work unit," according to a statement on Wednesday from spokeswoman Ginger Plumbo.

As these will be furloughs, not layoffs, Mayo Clinic will continue to pay for the health care benefits for all of its employees while they are off work.


This is latest step in Mayo Clinic's financial stabilization strategy to address an anticipated $3 billion loss due to the pandemic forcing a temporary halt in all elective procedures and average medical appointments.
At the end of March, Mayo Clinic started by furloughing an undisclosed number of supplemental and contract employees.
Soon after that, a wider plan was announced with furloughs and wage reductions marked to save $1.4 billion.

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The lib media like most at the Wash Post are just dangerous.

Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths
April 25: 31,750 new cases. 1,797 new deaths.
April 26: 27,155 new cases. 1,333 new deaths.
April 27: 23,917 new cases. 1,308 new deaths.

Total cases (tested): 1,011,283
Total deaths: 56,722

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.
April 25: 24,157 cases. 638 deaths.
April 26: 24,968 cases. 651 deaths.
April 27: 25,321 cases. 667 deaths

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)
April 25: 287,490 cases. 21,802 deaths (372 today)
April 26: 293,696 cases. 22,365 deaths (563 today)
April 27: 298,442 cases. 22,668 deaths (303 today).

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.
April 25: 23,222 cases. 907 deaths.
April 26: 23,475 cases. 916 deaths.
April 27: 24,302 cases. 995 deaths.

Today and yesterday added. Trending down, which is good. New York City, just the five boroughs, would rank 4th in the world in cases and 6th in deaths. So it's no surprise that when they have their lowest number of new cases and deaths in a month that it moves the needle for overall US numbers.

Amazing - YouTube is now part of the police state as to which information from Drs can or can't get out to the public.

what happened to free speech? YouTube took his video down telling California he thinks the stay at home order should be lifted.

AG Barr insinuated yesterday that judges, and maybe DOJ, will need to intervene with governors that are overstepping their bounds and keeping people from earning a living

Should start seeing a fight against overbearing government leaders about this time next week if they won't turn us lose to provide for ourselves and our families about this time next week

I wonder how intertwined Globalists money is in YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc???

States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

https://m.startribune.com/covid-19-persists-ahead-of-minnesota-stay-at-home-decision/569993232/

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State officials stressed that the actual death rate is much lower, because there are as many as 100 unconfirmed infections for every one lab-confirmed case in Minnesota. And due to a supply shortage, the state's testing strategy focused largely on hospitalized patients and long-term care residents. That inflated the per-case death rate.

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Florda_mike said:

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States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

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Laughing til stomach aches
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Illuminati? Bilderbergers? Trilateral Commission? Billionaires? Rothchilds? Lizard men? Annunaki? Freemasons? Bushes?

How many David Icke books do you own?

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

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Laughing til stomach aches
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Illuminati? Bilderbergers? Trilateral Commission? Billionaires? Rothchilds? Lizard men? Annunaki? Freemasons? Bushes?

How many David Icke books do you own?

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Leave it to quash to let us know the mind of Nancy Pelosi/Adam Schiff.

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

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Laughing til stomach aches
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Illuminati? Bilderbergers? Trilateral Commission? Billionaires? Rothchilds? Lizard men? Annunaki? Freemasons? Bushes?

How many David Icke books do you own?

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Leave it to quash to let us know the mind of Nancy Pelosi/Adam Schiff.

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They share a mind with Florda? Interesting.

Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

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I'll just agree to disagree with you, TS(should be BS?)

If you are so uninformed that YOU have to ask ME "who are the Globalists?" then do YOU really think I could get YOU to understand who the Globalists were? Laughing til stomach aches

Think about that

Anyway while all of your pandemic scare has been happening we've made enough profits for the down payment and closing costs to buy the new home we got under contract in January. Beautiful home on golf course close to the bay. Perfect for wife and I and great adventure for grandsons. Anyway, we'll be closing and moving today, so this is all the time I have for anti-capitalists like you

Have a nice day ......

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Globalist, anti-capitalist? Hmm. You must be a QAnon.

Good for you on your new home. You've finally achieved the American Dream.

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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TexasScientist said:

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States are opening up. We'll begin to get an idea of the impact in two to three weeks. The model the White House has been using was revised this morning upward to 74,073 deaths by August 4th, presumably due in part to the states opening up. It will be noteworthy and sad to see who disappears from this board.

Who are the 'Globalists'?

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Laughing til stomach aches
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Illuminati? Bilderbergers? Trilateral Commission? Billionaires? Rothchilds? Lizard men? Annunaki? Freemasons? Bushes?

How many David Icke books do you own?

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Leave it to quash to let us know the mind of Nancy Pelosi/Adam Schiff.

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They share a mind with Florda? Interesting.

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Thanks, Mr. Cuomo, for chiming in.

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This is CNN. So they are more worried about the color of a skin than what these people are doing to try and save lives? What a disgrace

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Well, yes, CNN is more worried about color. Do you know why?

Florda_mike said:

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AG Barr insinuated yesterday that judges, and maybe DOJ, will need to intervene with governors that are overstepping their bounds and keeping people from earning a living

Should start seeing a fight against overbearing government leaders about this time next week if they won't turn us lose to provide for ourselves and our families about this time next week

I wonder how intertwined Globalists money is in YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc???

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This after DJT says "its the Governors' call" right after he says he has supreme authority on lock downs. He tells the Georgia governor to go for it then he says hey, its a bad thing you went for it.

This administration has no plan. Zero.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

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This is CNN. So they are more worried about the color of a skin than what these people are doing to try and save lives? What a disgrace

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Well, yes, CNN is more worried about color. Do you know why?

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Sure - because they suck.

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Sweden never closed elementary and middle schools. They are doing better death count wise than the countries below and Sweden is also trying to minimize the economic destruction. They have admitted they did a poor job of securing their nursing homes although no one has treated nursing homes worse than New York.

Deaths / 1mm population
Italy 453
Spain 510
France 357
UK 311
Belgium 633
Netherlands 266
Ireland 235

Sweden 233
USA* 175
Germany 74
Norway 39
Finland 36



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Sweden's death toll per capita is 6 times those of its most similar comparables (Norway/Finland). Not sure I would say they are the best example.

Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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UDATE:
Sweden never closed elementary and middle schools. They are doing better death count wise than the countries below and Sweden is also trying to minimize the economic destruction. They have admitted they did a poor job of securing their nursing homes although no one has treated nursing homes worse than New York.

Deaths / 1mm population
Italy 453
Spain 510
France 357
UK 311
Belgium 633
Netherlands 266
Ireland 235

Sweden 233
USA* 175
Germany 74
Norway 39
Finland 36



*Inflated by New York stupidity

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Sweden's death toll per capita is 6 times those of its most similar comparables (Norway/Finland). Not sure I would say they are the best example.

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You may be correct, but as I read it Sweden has not run out of hospital beds or vents. Those who are at little or no risk are contracting the disease, surviving, and are now immune. They did this without shutting down their economy. Their neighboring states took a different tact.

I think we agree that a vaccine is more than a year away. Do you think the other Scandinavian countries can stay closed until a vaccine comes out? Me neither.

When the other countries finally open up there will be more disease and deaths until herd immunity is established. In the meantime, much economic damage will have been done and people will die anyway.

Time will tell if Sweden's strategy was good or bad.

Booray said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Sweden never closed elementary and middle schools. They are doing better death count wise than the countries below and Sweden is also trying to minimize the economic destruction. They have admitted they did a poor job of securing their nursing homes although no one has treated nursing homes worse than New York.

Deaths / 1mm population
Italy 453
Spain 510
France 357
UK 311
Belgium 633
Netherlands 266
Ireland 235

Sweden 233
USA* 175
Germany 74
Norway 39
Finland 36



*Inflated by New York stupidity

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Sweden's death toll per capita is 6 times those of its most similar comparables (Norway/Finland). Not sure I would say they are the best example.

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Even if they don't I prefer their balanced approach to mitigate economic fallout. I think a middle ground approach in a representative society (as opposed to totalitarian society) is more sustainable over a longer time horizon and is thus the better long-term strategy to mitigate both disease and economic fallout.

If that makes me a selfish ******* in some people's opinion so be it.

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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Viva federalism & freedom

New York Times on Sweden

Long article, excerpts below

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity.html

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The country was an outlier in Europe, trusting its people to voluntarily follow the protocols. Many haven't, but it does not seem to have hurt them.

While other countries were slamming on the brakes, Sweden kept its borders open, allowed restaurants and bars to keep serving, left preschools and grade schools in session and placed no limits on public transport or outings in local parks. Hairdressers, yoga studios, gyms and even some cinemas have remained open.

Gatherings of more than 50 people are banned. Museums have closed and sporting events have been canceled. At the end of March, the authorities banned visits to nursing homes.

That's roughly it. There are almost no fines, and police officers can only ask people to oblige. Pedestrians wearing masks are generally stared at as if they have just landed from Mars.


Throughout the crisis Sweden has had enough intensive care units to deal with Covid-19 patients, the minister of health and social affairs, Lena Hallengren, said in an interview, referring to the disease caused by the virus. "We have 250 empty beds right now."

The Swedish Public Health Authority has admitted that the country's seniors have been hit hard, with the virus spreading through 75 percent of the 101 care homes in Stockholm. Employees of the homes complain of shortages of personal protective equipment.

From the first signs of the pandemic, the Swedish Public Health Authority decided that a lockdown would be pointless. "Once you get into a lockdown, it's difficult to get out of it," the country's state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said. "How do you reopen? When?"

While there was some early talk in Sweden of achieving "herd immunity," which would mean infecting at least 60 percent of the population, Mr. Tegnell denies that was ever the government's policy.

When responses are assessed after the crisis, Mr. Tegnell acknowledges, Sweden will have to face its broad failing with people over the age of 70, who have accounted for a staggering 86 percent of the country's 2,194 fatalities to date.

That percentage is roughly on par with most other countries, but some critics here say the mortality rate among seniors could have been far lower with adequate preparation. In a letter to one of Sweden's most prominent newspapers, Dagens Nyheter, 22 scientists accused the Public Health Authority of negligence.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

'Anecdotal evidence is overwhelmingly positive': Nearly 2,600 COVID-19 patients in the U.S. have been treated with plasma

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/04/27/nearly-2-600-covid-19-patients-u-s-treated-survivor-plasma-coronavirus/3033521001/

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Hospitals and clinics across the country have given plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients to almost 2,600 of those still sick with the disease, and so far no major safety problems have arisen, according to experts who have been tracking the data..

The 2,600 patients include 14 at UW Health in Madison, where anesthesiologist William Hartman said, "We're quite encouraged by the results that we've seen. ... Nationally, what we're hearing is that it does appear to be a very safe treatment"

It is not clear yet whether the patients who have improved have done so because of the plasma infusion, Hartman said, or because of "exceptional care they are receiving" from nurses and attending physicians.

"It's not a magic pill," he said of the plasma. "It does take some time, but the fact that we are seeing some patients get better is very encouraging."

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Twitter thread - click "Show this thread'

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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Florda_mike said:

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quash said:

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nein51 said:

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quash said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Geez....maybe try decaff once in a while.

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Be interesting to see how many restaurants open with 100% overhead and 25% customers. The owners I know are waiting.

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What will be interesting is how many of them start suing. Is it even legal to mandate a % of capacity? An owner doesnt get to reduce his rent or costs by 75% just because the state mandated that only 25% of his restaurant be used.

I think you might see a lot of really interesting lawsuits arise against states and even the federal government. I dont know how many (if any) will win but Im guessing there will be some super interesting cases for future law school students to study.

I mentioned it in another thread but a Bridal shop in Columbus is suing the state of Ohio essentially arguing that their definition of essential was arbitrary and they didnt really have the right to order businesses to close. Im doubtful that they win but the initial layout of the case was certainly an interesting read.

The governor of Ohio also had some "mandates" that essentially read you had to rearrange your office to maintain 6' distancing...I paid a small fortune for design and layout of my wife's office, unless the state is planning to reimburse me for paying someone to change the layout there is no way I am doing that.

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Sovereign immunity and force Majeure are gonna get a workout in the courts. At least three colleges are already facing suits by students, Liberty U being one.

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Odd which "institutions" you mention being sued and by whom in above?

Colleges being sued for exerting freedom, but not governments for its overreach???

Is that part of your libertarian platform? I thought libertarians like you were all for freedoms?

Perhaps you should try Socialism that exists predominantly in democrat party today? You might find that a better fit?

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Dude. I'm telling you these lawsuits are out there and what they are about. I made no political stances as to any of them.

As to govt lawsuits the state of Missouri has sued China. Feel better now snowflake?

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The citizens of Trumpworld are not allowed to speak of things that are not part of the narrative. If it's supposed to be sunny you keep the top down, no matter how wet you get.