Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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quash said:

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Bearitto said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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quash said:

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riflebear said:

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Dems who are trying to blame him for something he literally has nothing to do with.

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Trump claims credit for everything good in the world, he should expect to shoulder some blame. Own his logic.

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I feel bad for the alternate reality you live in and wake up to each day.
Did you forget your TDS meds this week?

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Own it. You give Trump praise when the wind comes out of the south, give him credit when it blows the other way.

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Thread criticizing the self evidently crazed people, driven to insane ramblings over their irrational hatred for Trump, and you side with the crazed ramblers. This doesn't support your claim that you aren't a Democrat.

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I know non-binary thinking is difficult, but you don't have to be a Democrat to oppose certain Trump policies.

But here the point is non-partisan (have someone explain the concept to you).

MAGAboys trumpet the stock ticker on good days. I'm just saying if His Worshipfulness controls the market then he controls it when it goes down.

Or you could tell me I was right the dozen or so times I said the president has very little effect on the markets.

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Or maybe the markets are affected by the president's policies and also by natural forces beyond his control.

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Yes, all the good is Trump, all the bad is Dems controlling the weather.

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You seem determined to play the bitter malcontent card.

Some events and conditions are outside the President's control, such as an unexpected virus outbreak.

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Woa woa woa. Outbreak!? You spent over a dozen posts promising us this thing was contained???

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You have no idea what the words used in this discussion mean.

Go back to sleep, the adults are working on the problem.

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Bearitto said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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This has all gotten silly stupid. Think I'll ask my boss for the next three months off so I can quarantine myself at home for preventative measures.

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I raise you from silly to colossal.

From Breitbart..

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) on Wednesday decried President Donald Trump's appointment of Vice President Mike Pence to lead the administration's effort to combat the potential spread of deadly Chinese coronavirus in the United States, claiming he is unqualified for the role.

"Mike Pence literally does not believe in science. It is utterly irresponsible to put him in charge of US coronavirus response as the world sits on the cusp of a pandemic," the New York Democrat wrote on social media. "This decision could cost people their lives. Pence's past decisions already have."

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She went on to say: Seance matters!!!"

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Only if you use it as an accessory with your Ouija board and crystal skull.

AOC showing her science expert bona fides

45 would rather protect the stock market than help stop a possible global pandemic.

Waco1947 said:

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45 would rather protect the stock market than help stop a possible global pandemic.

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That's nowhere close to true, and even you know that.

All you have in your heart is malice and spite, Waco.

That is the truly sad part of this.

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Waco1947 said:

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45 would rather protect the stock market than help stop a possible global pandemic.

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That's nowhere close to true, and even you know that.

All you have in your heart is malice and spite, Waco.

That is the truly sad part of this.

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Wacjob1947 hopes for a global pandemic that will tank the stock market to stop a re-election of a president.

You lefties are pretty sick

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45 would rather protect the stock market than help stop a possible global pandemic.

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Maybe Trump found it on kills Communists?

If so, let it go baby

Interesting trip to the grocery store (HEB) this evening. The $6 bag of deer corn I always buy was almost $9. I will sometimes throw 3 or 4 lobster tails on the grill on the weekend. They usually cost $5- $7. This evening they were $14. Hope this is not a preview of what's coming.

Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

Waco1947 said:

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45 would rather protect the stock market than help stop a possible global pandemic.

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Man, only if WacoFortyMethen were in charge, he'd have all this **** wiped out

Doing his part to spread the virus

I've seen a little Asian guy eat a complete meal at HEB from the free sample handouts they give at various stations throughout the store here in Houston.

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Doing his part to spread the virus

I've seen a little Asian guy eat a complete meal at HEB from the free sample handouts they give at various stations throughout the store here in Houston.

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Rational people just call the guy a sick jerk. Irrational people immediately go to "white privilege"

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Doing his part to spread the virus

I've seen a little Asian guy eat a complete meal at HEB from the free sample handouts they give at various stations throughout the store here in Houston.

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Rational people just call the guy a sick jerk. Irrational people immediately go to "white privilege"

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Was at a Chinese Buffet two weeks ago in Houston and a guy was cussing out and berating the waitress and hostess because there was a dead fly in the sliced peaches. They were almost in tears. I walked up to him and said , "Hey, if you really need a free dinner that badly, I would be glad to pay for yours." He shut up and went back to his table.

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

Waco1947 said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

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After watching pekoe I and Schuma there's no need for apologies. They won't stop until they bring about total chaos.

People have had enough of their socialism

Baylor3216 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

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After watching pekoe I and Schuma there's no need for apologies. They won't stop until they bring about total chaos.

People have had enough of their socialism

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What people "have had enough?"

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

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After watching pekoe I and Schuma there's no need for apologies. They won't stop until they bring about total chaos.

People have had enough of their socialism

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What people "have had enough?"

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Folks who demand the freedom to choose their doctors, their treatment, their options.

You would not understand that, I know.

Waco1947 said:

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Baylor3216 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

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After watching pekoe I and Schuma there's no need for apologies. They won't stop until they bring about total chaos.

People have had enough of their socialism

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What people "have had enough?"

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People who wish to remain free. Those with a slave mentality and/or those would be prisoners wanting a free '3 hots and a cot' situation just love them. Which one are you?

Waco1947 said:

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Baylor3216 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Art Vandelay said:

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Libs are pathetic. They always want it both ways.

Remember just a few weeks ago when POTUS Trump floated the idea of canceling air travel from China to the US to slow the spread of the Virus? It was attacked by the same people criticizing him now.

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Yours and This comment is demeaning, a lie, a threat to our democracy, unpatriotic, & terribly divisive
"...for the Dems to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness."
"Sickness?" Please apologize.

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After watching pekoe I and Schuma there's no need for apologies. They won't stop until they bring about total chaos.

People have had enough of their socialism

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What people "have had enough?"

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Don't worry not you

We know you need more free stuff as you're incapable of staying sober long enough to fill out government forms correctly

They'll be open again tomorrow morning at 8. Try putting bottle down by 10 and maybe you can comprehend those dastardly forms

Here is the place for up to date Coronavirus data: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Pea Weevil

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"Kids. Kids did this." Fenwick.

Just your typical traffic stop

China is suffering a slow death

Trump is doing to China what Reagan did to East Germany

So y'all still think tariffs didn't work for the US of A?

The San Antonio airport this morning is as empty as I have ever seen it!

Florda_mike said:

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China is suffering a slow death

Trump is doing to China what Reagan did to East Germany

So y'all still think tariffs didn't work for the US of A?

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I love you man, but yes. Tariffs are a tax that is imposed on mostly American companies and the American people. Due to less competition, U.S. producers will raise prices.

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Florda_mike said:

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China is suffering a slow death

Trump is doing to China what Reagan did to East Germany

So y'all still think tariffs didn't work for the US of A?

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I love you man, but yes. Tariffs are a tax that is imposed on mostly American companies and the American people. Due to less competition, U.S. producers will raise prices.

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Tariffs are like a tourniquet; generally bad because of the damage they do, and by no means a first choice for action, but in some situations a tourniquet/tariff is indeed necessary and the only effective option for the crisis.

The problem with China was exacerbated by literally decades of letting the PRC steal IP and build its manufacturing at the cost of US industry.

Opposition to tariffs at all costs is like being a pacifist who opposes violence for any reason. Murdering innocent people is wrong, but killing in war, self defense or the defense of others is completely justified and good. Tariffs to protect cronies is wrong. Tariffs to protect IP or essential industries can be useful; particularly if short term.

Bearitto said:

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Opposition to tariffs at all costs is like being a pacifist who opposes violence for any reason. Murdering innocent people is wrong, but killing in war, self defense or the defense of others is completely justified and good. Tariffs to protect cronies is wrong. Tariffs to protect IP or essential industries can be useful; particularly if short term.

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Yes. Very good post, Bearitto.

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Opposition to tariffs at all costs is like being a pacifist who opposes violence for any reason. Murdering innocent people is wrong, but killing in war, self defense or the defense of others is completely justified and good. Tariffs to protect cronies is wrong. Tariffs to protect IP or essential industries can be useful; particularly if short term.

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Define "short term".

To me we are past short term: we are paying the import tax (and thereby reducing our purchasing power), our businesses have lost market share, GDP will take a small hit, and we are paying billions for bailout of some of those businesses. And we have a president who still thinks tariffs are a revenue source streaming into the country (Tweet from 2/12/20: "PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!").

If it were truly short term businesses could plan around tariffs. Going on 2+ years, with adjustments and retaliatory tariffs, takes the certainty out of impacted markets. The market likes certainty.

As to IP issues, remember that companies that trade with China are fully aware of what they are getting into. Most of them have made a business decision to accept the joint venture partner (with access to IP) or the outright transfer, just to get access to the Chinese market. If it works they stay, if it doesn't they leave.

I just don't think the state needs to get involved in market decisions. The Chinese state will, but capitalists have always dealt with state interference and still prized their freedom from such control by their own state.

I see Eeyore is back in the room.

quash said:

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Bearitto said:

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Opposition to tariffs at all costs is like being a pacifist who opposes violence for any reason. Murdering innocent people is wrong, but killing in war, self defense or the defense of others is completely justified and good. Tariffs to protect cronies is wrong. Tariffs to protect IP or essential industries can be useful; particularly if short term.

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Define "short term".

To me we are past short term: we are paying the import tax (and thereby reducing our purchasing power), our businesses have lost market share, GDP will take a small hit, and we are paying billions for bailout of some of those businesses. And we have a president who still thinks tariffs are a revenue source streaming into the country (Tweet from 2/12/20: "PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!").

If it were truly short term businesses could plan around tariffs. Going on 2+ years, with adjustments and retaliatory tariffs, takes the certainty out of impacted markets. The market likes certainty.

As to IP issues, remember that companies that trade with China are fully aware of what they are getting into. Most of them have made a business decision to accept the joint venture partner (with access to IP) or the outright transfer, just to get access to the Chinese market. If it works they stay, if it doesn't they leave.

I just don't think the state needs to get involved in market decisions. The Chinese state will, but capitalists have always dealt with state interference and still prized their freedom from such control by their own state.

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I oppose tariffs, whether in US or our trading partners. However, if a trading partner puts ups barrier against out exports I'm okay levying a tariff on their products.