Club soccer in all of South Texas cancelled until April 5th.

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Lol!! Look! Someone was interviewed who doesn't like the administration. That's incredibly shocking!!!

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You can oppose administration policy and still get 4 when you add 2+2.

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But he got 5. He's just opposed to the administration.

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If you think his facts are wrong (5) then address that. So far you've merely tried to marginalize the source.

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The source is marginal because it's self serving and needlessly and erroneously political. Sorry you can't see that.

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So in a health crisis, your'e saying the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute is playing politics? There is no evidence to support you claim, other than a network you don't like interviewed him. It's far more likely that a doctor with his professional reputation on the line is telling the truth.

I wish that I had the foresight so many on the internet have. Anyone want to come off of the winning lottery numbers while we are at it?

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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Lol!! Look! Someone was interviewed who doesn't like the administration. That's incredibly shocking!!!

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You can oppose administration policy and still get 4 when you add 2+2.

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But he got 5. He's just opposed to the administration.

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If you think his facts are wrong (5) then address that. So far you've merely tried to marginalize the source.

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The source is marginal because it's self serving and needlessly and erroneously political. Sorry you can't see that.

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It contains assertions of fact. Sorry you can't see that.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

Coronavirus has nothing to do with hate or evil.It's science and the virus is here

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

[time to abandon this thread]

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

Coronavirus has nothing to do with hate or evil.It's science and the virus is here

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So glad you can admit it's not Trump's fault

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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His post mentions the president, which by default is mentioning Trump. Get over yourself.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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His post mentions the president, which by default is mentioning Trump. Get over yourself.

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You and oldbear won't address the substance of the post.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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His post mentions the president, which by default is mentioning Trump. Get over yourself.

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You and oldbear won't address the substance of the post.

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Actually, we did. You just want the substance to be different.

He's entitled to his opinion, as are you. But his opinion does not become fact just because he has a title

https://pubsonline.informs.org/do/10.1287/orms.2020.02.08/full/?fbclid=IwAR2jJuo5eXNfamECKiP-cEsSQ_7FGoU9sX-uxviom1slyqDYCmDSl_6t33M&

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Note: As this piece was going to press, celebrities such as Tom Hanks [1] reportedly contracted coronavirus (COVID-19), the United States announced a travel ban from many European countries [2], and the World Health Organization declared the disease a pandemic given its worldwide spread. The CDC's numbers cited below are as of March 11.

I, like many of us, have had my attention turned in recent weeks to the coronavirus (COVID-19) and associated controls around it. It seems to dominate the news cycle and also people's actions, with shelves bare of soap and hand sanitizer. This is combined with a mandated silence [3] from government health officials (i.e., real epidemiologists). In their absence, we can consider a few high-level thoughts about analytics and coronavirus.

If you are worried about coronavirus good; you should be. Having said this, small things are likely to have a big impact, and the measures that are being put in place reducing congregation and increasing hygiene are likely to have a large impact in the control of the disease. A phrase that has gotten a lot of attention in both social and "real" media is "flattening the curve." We're going to spend the remainder of this piece focused on that.

Epidemics, their study and control have a rich history. I've been interested in epidemics and their models for a long time now as proxies for computer viruses as demonstrated in serious journals [4], as well as some light-hearted examples involving zombies [5]. For someone who wants to learn about this topic, I recommend the excellent, although highly technical, "Epidemic Modeling: An Introduction" by Daley and Gani (Cambridge U. Press, 1999), as well as Chapter 17 of "Networks: An Introduction" by M.E.J. Newman (Oxford U. Press, 2010).
"Flattening the curve" can be achieved with simple measures (such as handwashing) and when done in aggregate can have a big impact on the spread of disease. The remainder of this article is written at an executive level; the technical appendix may be accessed here.
Mechanics
For our development, we will use the Kermack-McKendrick epidemic model, which considers how individuals in a population move from "susceptible" to "infective" and finally to "removed." The definitions are straightforward but repeated here for completeness:

• Susceptible individuals do not have the virus and may become infected.
• Infected individuals have the virus and may spread it to others until they no longer have the infection and become members of the removed class.
• Removed individuals have run the course of infection and are no longer infected or susceptible to infection.

A graph showing the relationship between the classes is presented as Figure 1

Decreasing the rate of infection both slows the number of cases at any given time (as seen by the flattened curves), but also tends to limit the ultimate distribution of the epidemic itself.

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Figure 6: Ultimate size of epidemic (y-axis) as a function of the percentage reduction of infectivity (x-axis). Even small reductions in infectivity result in large changes to the ultimate size of the epidemic.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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I'm just giving you the facts of the situation - the evidence of reality. I didn't mention Trump's name at all. I seems your the one who's triggered here.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

Not good.


Japan confirms first case of person re-infected with coronavirus

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/484942-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-reinfected

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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His post mentions the president, which by default is mentioning Trump. Get over yourself.

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My post doesn't mention the president or Trump. It only summarizes what the doctor said. Learn to read more closely.

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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I gave Trump credit for cutting off travel with China...but at the rate you're digging it may not matter for long.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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I gave Trump credit for cutting off travel with China...but at the rate you're digging it may not matter for long.

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You're confusing me with the President, Sam?

What would be happening if a democrat was in White House?

No 24/7 media coverage/scare? How much would CNN cover it?

No coronavirus?

What else?

Why haven't we had gathering bans every flu season? 70,000 last year died from flu in US! 20,000 so far this this year? <100 from coronavirus and we shut down country? Priorities are reversed?

I propose we shut down country from Thanksgiving to March every year in future to save the lives of those dying from flu? Also consider what to do about driving deaths? Allow a $1B reward to cure cancer instead of endless government research grants? Etc

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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All of my posts have been and were based upon current data on this outbreak. Other outbreaks of other pathogens are irrelevant in terms of etiology, transmissibility, virulence and morbidity. Your posts have been poorly informed and out of date.

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What would be happening if a democrat was in White House?

No 24/7 media coverage/scare? How much would CNN cover it?

No coronavirus?

What else?

Why haven't we had gathering bans every flu season? 70,000 last year died from flu in US! 20,000 so far this this year? <100 from coronavirus and we shut down country? Priorities are reversed?

I propose we shut down country from Thanksgiving to March every year in future to save the lives of those dying from flu? Also consider what to do about driving deaths? Allow a $1B reward to cure cancer instead of endless government research grants? Etc

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The difference is this pathogen has is at least 10x (possibly as much as 20) more deadly than the flu. 61,000 died last year from the flu in the U.S. Unchecked, Covid-19 has the potential to kill 610,000 people by comparison. It is on par with the Spanish flu in terms of potential death rate. In large part, due to Italy's slow response, their death rate is running around 5%, and may increase because they have maxed out their health care facilities and their personel's ability to respond. That is a huge difference between this disease and influenza. The only way we currently have to address this is to slow down its spread by shutting down and limiting person to person contact, so that our health care system is not overloaded and overwhelmed all at once with a spike of cases that it can't handle. We only have a limited number of hospital beds with a limited number of ventilators in this country to manage those who are critical. Many are dying in Italy now who otherwise would live if they had enough ventilators available and supporting therapeutics. They are literally practicing triage there. We don't want that scenario here. Another concern is that it has already mutated once into what appears to be a more virulent strain L. Risk of further mutation is real.

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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< chuckle >

I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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All of my posts have been and were based upon current data on this outbreak. Other outbreaks of other pathogens are irrelevant in terms of etiology, transmissibility, virulence and morbidity. Your posts have been poorly informed and out of date.

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You keep saying that, yet the fact remains that I have posted links which so far as I can tell are fully valid, while you have claimed to use data but to which you never link.

More to the point, however, is the purpose of the post. No one is saying to ignore the matter, but some are selling emotional fears, which does nothing to help anyone. One member is already demanding we give him credit for his hysteria, as if his emotional posts somehow qualify for helping patients and the public.

It's strange how so many are opposed to simply calming down and acting responsibly in this matter.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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We get TexasScientist, you hate Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is stupid. Trump is incompetent. Everything Trump does is wrong and he can do nothing right. EVERY action he takes, EVERY word he speaks is vile.

Does that about sum it up? I hate to break it to you scooter, but I'll be, along with millions of others, voting for him in November.

I hope you can live through your TDS for an extra 4 years.

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TS's post doesn't mention Trump.

TDS is seeing hate every time someone has a factual or policy basis for criticizing the president. Defend the policy or else you are defending a cult of personality.

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That's quash - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC.

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Deflecting the substance of TS's post: you do you.

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The "substance" of TS' post was spite and malice. It deserves no attention.

As well you know.

But 'you do you', quash, which in these matters sadly means ignoring anything inconvenient to your bigotries.

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You have enough spite and malice for quash and me combined. It comes across in your tone, ad hominem attacks, and vitriol, and it underscores that you have no facts to support your view. You should think about that.

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I posted links to my sources, while you, well, you are quite emotional for a 'scientist'.

I suspect I read more, much more, on this, than you have ever considered reading.

Later this year, your posts will be interesting to compare to actual events.

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You posted one link, which is way out of date in terms of how fast this has developed. I'm not the one who writes using emotional, derogatory, inflammatory and ad hominem terms. You should read some of what you write. It's full of vitriol. I've never used terms like that in my responses to you.

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Actually, I have linked to almost a dozen sources in various posts on this virus. You simply ignored the ones you wanted to miss.

Your own responses have been written with no apparent knowledge of prior outbreaks.

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All of my posts have been and were based upon current data on this outbreak. Other outbreaks of other pathogens are irrelevant in terms of etiology, transmissibility, virulence and morbidity. Your posts have been poorly informed and out of date.

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You keep saying that, yet the fact remains that I have posted links which so far as I can tell are fully valid, while you have claimed to use data but to which you never link.

More to the point, however, is the purpose of the post. No one is saying to ignore the matter, but some are selling emotional fears, which does nothing to help anyone. One member is already demanding we give him credit for his hysteria, as if his emotional posts somehow qualify for helping patients and the public.

It's strange how so many are opposed to simply calming down and acting responsibly in this matter.

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Acting responsibly = taking the issue seriously and taking every precaution we can to slow transmission and keep healthcare facilities from being overwhelmed.

You are linking disparate data points to present a false contention, TS.

Yes, COVID-19 is more lethal than the common flu, but it is far less lethal than past viruses such as SARS and MERS, Ebola or Marburg. The part of the math you are missing is to consider why those more lethal viruses did not kill more people than they did.

A virus is a simple thing, but it requires a delicate balance to thrive. We already know that viruses are seasonal, affected by things like heat and humidity, wind patterns and weather. Another point to consider is what we still do not know, such as why C-19 affects men almost three times as often as women, or why people under 25 seem to escape the worst symptoms of C-19. These details matter because knowing them would be important in finding an effective treatment, which in many ways is even more important than the vaccine under trials right now.

There is a simple fact that should be kept in mind. China handled the outbreak worse than any other country, and suffered the most cases and deaths because of that. Yet in that nation of more than a billion people, just over three thousand died, and while that number if tragic, it suggests that other nations, with better warning, prophylactic steps available to the public and other steps being taken, will suffer fewer cases and deaths. Ergo, it is rash to suggest the six hundred thousand death scenario, as there is no valid data to indicate this is anything but the most unlikely outcome. In similar logic, it is wrong to contend that the virus is "unchecked", as this implies medical professionals are not doing a lot to combat the virus, whether in researching the virus to find a vaccine or in testing different treatments to see which mitigate symptoms the best. There is precedent for focusing on symptom treatment, by the way - there is no known cure for Cholera, but the disease dies out in most cases if the victim is simply kept hydrated and treated for fever. Again, I am not minimizing the effects of C-19, but we do have a decent understanding of what it does and simply treating the symptoms will help some patients survive, and others fight off the disease faster.

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You are linking disparate data points to present a false contention, TS.

Yes, COVID-19 is more lethal than the common flu, but it is far less lethal than past viruses such as SARS and MERS, Ebola or Marburg. The part of the math you are missing is to consider why those more lethal viruses did not kill more people than they did.

A virus is a simple thing, but it requires a delicate balance to thrive. We already know that viruses are seasonal, affected by things like heat and humidity, wind patterns and weather. Another point to consider is what we still do not know, such as why C-19 affects men almost three times as often as women, or why people under 25 seem to escape the worst symptoms of C-19. These details matter because knowing them would be important in finding an effective treatment, which in many ways is even more important than the vaccine under trials right now.

There is a simple fact that should be kept in mind. China handled the outbreak worse than any other country, and suffered the most cases and deaths because of that. Yet in that nation of more than a billion people, just over three thousand died, and while that number if tragic, it suggests that other nations, with better warning, prophylactic steps available to the public and other steps being taken, will suffer fewer cases and deaths. Ergo, it is rash to suggest the six hundred thousand death scenario, as there is no valid data to indicate this is anything but the most unlikely outcome. In similar logic, it is wrong to contend that the virus is "unchecked", as this implies medical professionals are not doing a lot to combat the virus, whether in researching the virus to find a vaccine or in testing different treatments to see which mitigate symptoms the best. There is precedent for focusing on symptom treatment, by the way - there is no known cure for Cholera, but the disease dies out in most cases if the victim is simply kept hydrated and treated for fever. Again, I am not minimizing the effects of C-19, but we do have a decent understanding of what it does and simply treating the symptoms will help some patients survive, and others fight off the disease faster.

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The part of the math you are missing is that COVID-19 is spreading far faster than, say, Ebola did. Yes, Ebola is more deadly for an individual who catches it, but individuals are far more likely to catch coronoavirus, and it's going to lead to far more US deaths than Ebola. That is pretty straight-forward.

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Oldbear83 said:

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It's strange how so many are opposed to simply calming down and acting responsibly in this matter.

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Acting responsibly = taking the issue seriously and taking every precaution we can to slow transmission and keep healthcare facilities from being overwhelmed.

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No one I am aware of is not taking the issue seriously. Projecting hundreds of thousands of deaths is emotional and useless in helping the public understand what they can do to prevent the disease.

Healthcare facilities are far more likely to be overwhelmed by people panicking and believing they have C-19 when they do not, rather than from actual cases exploding in some cataclysmic end-of-the-world scenario.

In a medical crisis, the heroes work quietly and promote confidence. It's the screaming ones who are doing harm.

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LTbear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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It's strange how so many are opposed to simply calming down and acting responsibly in this matter.

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Acting responsibly = taking the issue seriously and taking every precaution we can to slow transmission and keep healthcare facilities from being overwhelmed.

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No one I am aware of is not taking the issue seriously. Projecting hundreds of thousands of deaths is emotional and useless in helping the public understand what they can do to prevent the disease.

Healthcare facilities are far more likely to be overwhelmed by people panicking and believing they have C-19 when they do not, rather than from actual cases exploding in some cataclysmic end-of-the-world scenario.

In a medical crisis, the heroes work quietly and promote confidence. It's the screaming ones who are doing harm.

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Of course they're taking it seriously - because government, media, sports, etc. are making it clear how serious this is. Professionals predicting that we could see hundreds of thousands of deaths if we don't take this seriously is a completely necessary means of making people understand how serious the situation. Acting like this isn't a big deal and lulling people into a false sense of security so that they don't take the proper precautions only gets more people killed.

"I like the numbers"
People suffering on a ship and he places his pride over the grimness beset on these innocent passengers.
Will, at last, our decency and citizen duty to vote prevail over this selfishness?.