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Osodecentx said:

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I see your embarrassing posts quoted by posters. They are just quoting your old posts.
Really embarrassing for you.

That wouldn't happen if you posted less

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You continue to focus on insults and attacking people.

That wouldn't happen if you were not channeling your inner fascist.

See how that works?

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The amount of times you call people fascists makes you sound like a lib.

Are you part of the Bernie Bros?

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You have it backwards. I'm not the one telling others what they can do.

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TexasScientist said:

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Dr. Ashish JHA, Director of the Harvard Global Health Institute gave an interesting interview this morning on MSNBC. He said this morning the CDC is the best public health agency in the world, and this is not the CDC's fault. He said the problem is the administration has tried to down play this and has not taken this disease seriously. He said the president was saying a week ago this is not much worse than the flu, and ignoring public health officials and Dr. Fauci's warnings. He said that senior level officials at the FDA stopped development of a test in this country until very recently. For some reason we rejected the WHO test, made available almost two months ago, in favor development of our own test, and we have had one failure after another, which he said is inexplanable. Health care proffesionals and his friends at CDC don't understand what is happening at the senior most levels. Baffeling. He said that you cannot get a test today in Boston if your doctor needs to order a test, and that very few people are getting tested. He said there are theories the president doesn't want to know how many cases there are, and thinks this will just go away. Johns Hopkins is making their own tests now developed at Mayo. State health officials say no one knows where the numbers of one million test kits are coming from or where they will be coming from that Pence is quoting. He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no. He said others are starting to buildi their own tests now because no one knows when those tests are going to be arriving and there is no faith the Federal Government is going to be able to deliver on the most basic thing that Iran, South Korea, and Taiwan can deliver to its people. What was promised is not being delivered.

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I don't understand this narrative. The test is available at all the big players.

ARUP

labcorp

Quest


"He said if you call up your doctor today in Boston to see if you can get tested the answer is no."

Yeah, no sh/t. You're free to get screened - chest x-ray/ct, flu test etc - and it's a yes or no from there, but when have you ever been able to demand high-complexity testing for an emerging disease based off your google research?

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It's the same narrative that has been ongoing for over 3 years, Everything Trump does is wrong. Never mind the initial travel ban from China that was scolded as racist by the left, the one that probably saved thousands of lives.

MSNBC is a one trick pony. Every single angle they present is anti Trump, nothing will change.

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Joe Biden was in government for 44 years
Nancy Pelosi has been in government for 33 years
Bernie Sanders has been in government for 29 years
Donald Trump has been in government for 3 years
Yet they blame HIM when the pandemic infrastructure they built isn't strong enough?...............................

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He's President now and he bungled the response

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Get back to me if/when there are more Americans dead from COVID-19 than there were from the H1N1 pandemic under Obama.

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Well, sadly, that didn't take long.

Now what Oldbear?

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Now we do our best to fight the virus without killing people in doing so

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You should consider posting less

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If you don't want to read my posts, simply don't read them.

You should be less fascist, you don't get to tell people what they can or cannot write.

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I see your embarrassing posts quoted by posters. They are just quoting your old posts.
Really embarrassing for you.

That wouldn't happen if you posted less

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You continue to focus on insults and attacking people.

That wouldn't happen if you were not channeling your inner fascist.

See how that works?

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The amount of times you call people fascists makes you sound like a lib.

Are you part of the Bernie Bros?

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OB has the right to remain silent, but not the ability or self awareness

Osodecentx said:

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BearTruth13 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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You should consider posting less

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If you don't want to read my posts, simply don't read them.

You should be less fascist, you don't get to tell people what they can or cannot write.

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I see your embarrassing posts quoted by posters. They are just quoting your old posts.
Really embarrassing for you.

That wouldn't happen if you posted less

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You continue to focus on insults and attacking people.

That wouldn't happen if you were not channeling your inner fascist.

See how that works?

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The amount of times you call people fascists makes you sound like a lib.

Are you part of the Bernie Bros?

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OB has the right to remain silent, but not the ability or self awareness

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Oso has boundary issues

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California is shipping OUT ventilators to other states.

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California has done a surprisingly good job with the virus given the size of population.

FYI

Colorado just stopped all potential home buyers from entering homes for sale .

Even vacant properties.

Only showings allowed now are via virtual tours .

Reading from Drs. ventilators are not the answer with this. 50% to 75% are dying once put on respiration.

Cortiosteriods and massive doses of vitamin C seem to actually be working better.

Reduces inflammation and bolsters the immune system they say.


Eventually they will find a combo that works.

Florda_mike said:

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Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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Heard from whom? Someone with knowledge of the whole system?

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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Heard from whom? Someone with knowledge of the whole system?

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With the money that the gov't is going to be throwing around and the fact that hospitals have stopped elective surgeries, they'll be bleeding cash pretty quick (if not already).... throw in the fact that the feds have said, "if you don't have health insurance, don't worry if you get the Coronavirus, go to the hospital and get treatment. We'll reimburse the hospital for the cost."

It's not a hard stretch to know that many hospital bean counters will see this as an opportunity to make up for lost revenue or even perhaps as windfall.

Just remember, just because someone dies from Coronavirus, doesn't mean they died from Covid 19.

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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Heard from whom? Someone with knowledge of the whole system?

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With the money that the gov't is going to be throwing around and the fact that hospitals have stopped elective surgeries, they'll be bleeding cash pretty quick (if not already).... throw in the fact that the feds have said, "if you don't have health insurance, don't worry if you get the Coronavirus, go to the hospital and get treatment. We'll reimburse the hospital for the cost."

It's not a hard stretch to know that many hospital bean counters will see this as an opportunity to make up for lost revenue or even perhaps as windfall.

Just remember, just because someone dies from Coronavirus, doesn't mean they died from Covid 19.

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What I am reading or hearing is that people die from complications associated with Coronavirus. Whether it was their heart or lungs that gave out, in the end, I don't think there is a conspiracy to falsify reports. You are welcome to count it as all pneumonia deaths if you'd like.

I acknowledge the temptation is out there, and I hope anybody choosing to defraud the govt gets caught. I just refuse to default to fraud based on Florda's say-so. He is not a fact-based kind of poster.

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Really wonder what percent of deaths are dying from other causes with Chinese Flu given full credit for death

Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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The voices in your head don't count as info

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The voice of your breadwinner wife doc count as religion

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quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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Heard from whom? Someone with knowledge of the whole system?

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With the money that the gov't is going to be throwing around and the fact that hospitals have stopped elective surgeries, they'll be bleeding cash pretty quick (if not already).... throw in the fact that the feds have said, "if you don't have health insurance, don't worry if you get the Coronavirus, go to the hospital and get treatment. We'll reimburse the hospital for the cost."

It's not a hard stretch to know that many hospital bean counters will see this as an opportunity to make up for lost revenue or even perhaps as windfall.

Just remember, just because someone dies from Coronavirus, doesn't mean they died from Covid 19.

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I think it's important to keep in mind that the healthcare system is under stress just now. Hospitals and doctors don't usually get flooded with daily demands for updates on how many people died from the flu, diabetes, or pneumonia, for example. Those numbers are usually estimated annually by various agencies. Years from now I expect the same thing to happen with COVID-19, if only because something new will show up and get the media's attention.

quash said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Heard it's so bad that if they even present symptoms of COVID(not diagnosed!) and die of respiratory or heart disease it's a COVID death

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Heard from whom? Someone with knowledge of the whole system?

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Of course not

The Michigan AG. Wow, what a *****.

New York is dropping another high number of deaths today with 779 already. NY/NJ together over 1,000 today. New York is now #2 in the world on its own in cases having surpassed Spain.

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New York is dropping another high number of deaths today with 779 already. NY/NJ together over 1,000 today. New York is now #2 in the world on its own in cases having surpassed Spain.

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The IHME model says that April 12 will be the peak day for deaths (2,200).

This is ridiculous. So you can go to the grocery store w/ a lot of people but you can't go to a park?

riflebear said:

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This is ridiculous. So you can go to the grocery store w/ a lot of people but you can't go to a park?

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^^^ My have times changed

Not that long ago you'd never imagine a man being arrested just for playing softball with his daughter

Sad

Updated virus progression

March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 434,927
Total deaths: 14,788

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)

And the beat goes on in NY/NJ.

And what percentage of deaths are true coronavirus deaths not attributable to ANYTHING ELSE?

That's the $1M question?

Doctors are being asked to lie about cause of death to inflate numbers! Fact!

How many dead were on Hydroxychloroquine or even offered Hydroxychloroquine?

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Nothing different from democrats murdering babies with abortion and massively funding Planned Parenthood

Whether murdering with abortion or coronavirus or Clintoncides or whatever, the democrats are murderers in first degree!

ValhallaBear said:

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Wasn't this supposed to be the WEEK FROM HELL??

I haven't seen a single zombie yet

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^^^ Left side caption is the platform(wet dream too!) of the democrat party

Truth be known

riflebear said:

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This is ridiculous. So you can go to the grocery store w/ a lot of people but you can't go to a park?

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Police department apologized almost immediately for "overreach".

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Two things. The memo he refers to said it would be appropriate to diagnose someone with Covid19 if they presented with pneumonia and had a family member who had tested positive, but the patient was never tested (which is important here). Second, he says "We've not done that."

So I finally watched one of your videos and it contradicts what you think it stands for. It's a nothingburger.

As far as I can tell, the uproar is over this:

Doctors are being told to list Covid as a cause of death if they believe Covid was a cause of death. Note "a" not "the."

So I guess police department had some overzealous officers determined to make a superdad teaching his daughter softball look bad by arresting him in front of his daughter?

Would "apology" be good enough for you if your daughter saw you arrested and taken from her to be locked up in jail?

Not for me, firing overzealous police officers is a cure for this misbehavior and not a "public apology!"

quash said:

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Two things. The memo he refers to said it would be appropriate to diagnose someone with Covid19 if they presented with pneumonia and had a family member who had tested positive, but the patient was never tested (which is important here). Second, he says "We've not done that."

So I finally watched one of your videos and it contradicts what you think it stands for. It's a nothingburger.

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Wow I listened too

Amazing how you miss the point of the entire interview and attempt to deceive us into Rifle claim being bogus

If you don't comprehend the video shows proof COVID deaths are being deceptively inflated it's one thing but to attempt to deceive us from that fact is devious on your part

You are a low life with no integrity

Booray said:

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As far as I can tell, the uproar is over this:

Doctors are being told to list Covid as a cause of death if they believe Covid was a cause of death. Note "a" not "the."

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As expected another deceiver enters in close pursuit of Quash!

They both need locked away from society!