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Updated virus progression

March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 26,945 new cases. 2,407 new deaths.
April 15: 30,206 new cases. 2,482 new deaths.

Total cases (tested): 644,089
Total deaths: 28,529

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 203,123 cases. 10,834 deaths (778 today)
April 15: 214,648 cases. 11,586 deaths (752 today)

For NY to have another case spike and continuing their fatality rate tells me social distancing and lockdown measures are really not the solution some think it is. And to argue "but it would be so much worse" is completely speculative.

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I don't really see them as spikes. Except for April 13, the new cases and deaths in NY have been in a fairly tight range from April 7-15. It looks to me like Apr. 13 was the anomaly in that data set. Also, it is hard to judge how effective social distancing was/is based on numbers for the whole state; my understanding was that NYC was leveling off and Long Island was picking up, while upstate had remained pretty constant throughout. There could be lots of explanations for that.

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Yesterday was the largest case day yet for NY and 35% higher than the trend average.

ATL Bear said:

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Booray said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 26,945 new cases. 2,407 new deaths.
April 15: 30,206 new cases. 2,482 new deaths.

Total cases (tested): 644,089
Total deaths: 28,529

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 203,123 cases. 10,834 deaths (778 today)
April 15: 214,648 cases. 11,586 deaths (752 today)

For NY to have another case spike and continuing their fatality rate tells me social distancing and lockdown measures are really not the solution some think it is. And to argue "but it would be so much worse" is completely speculative.

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I don't really see them as spikes. Except for April 13, the new cases and deaths in NY have been in a fairly tight range from April 7-15. It looks to me like Apr. 13 was the anomaly in that data set. Also, it is hard to judge how effective social distancing was/is based on numbers for the whole state; my understanding was that NYC was leveling off and Long Island was picking up, while upstate had remained pretty constant throughout. There could be lots of explanations for that.

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Yesterday was the largest case day yet for NY and 35% higher than the trend average.

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You are right, when I did the actual numbers instead of just eyeballing them here were the new cases:

Apr. 7 10,378
Apr. 8 8,787
Apr. 9 10,333
Apr. 10 10,854
Apr. 11 8,786
Apr. 12 8,271
Apr. 13 6,240
Apr. 14 7,469
Apr. 15 11,525

Would like to know from where in the state the increase is coming from. Also, wondering how those 3,800 retroactive cases got reported.

Hopefully it was a "catchup" day, but it only means the trends didn't really dip. I just don't know anymore with that area.

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Hopefully it was a "catchup" day, but it only means the trends didn't really dip. I just don't know anymore with that area.

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Could be catching up. Wouldn't be surprising that there are unreported cases or corrections to be made. Hope that's it.

Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

So we have a coalition of Governors now for the Northeast, West coast and Midwest regions.
Will there be a Big12 and SEC coalition next?

Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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Are you suggesting the cause of death is being manipulated and assigned to Covid 19?

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So we have a coalition of Governors now for the Northeast, West coast and Midwest regions.
Will there be a Big12 and SEC coalition next?

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This is where Trump is making a mistake for his re-election. Allowing a leadership void and opportunity for the governors to fill through ad hoc coalitions. Trump could easily fill that void through FEMA and other options.

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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An interesting question would be is liability protected under some force majeure provisions.

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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An interesting question would be is liability protected under some force majeure provisions.

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Application of force majeure is interesting. I'm not sure force majeure will excuse negligence though. They'll sue for negligence in how they handled preparation for this type of event, and how they handled exposure to the virus, and how supportive care was given to those who were hospitalized. I think negligence in diagnosis and supportive care will be the big dollar ticket, but an attorney on here could speculate better than me.

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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An interesting question would be is liability protected under some force majeure provisions.

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It's more of an Act of God defense then force majeure. Act of God is nature causing the loss so man cannot be held responsible; force majeure is nature preventing man from performing so man does not have to act.

Liability is going to be about unnecessary exposure to a known risk. I would think demonstrating where one caught the virus is going to be a tricky proof problem. Also wondering about the effectiveness of releases or waivers.

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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An interesting question would be is liability protected under some force majeure provisions.

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It's more of an Act of God defense then force majeure. Act of God is nature causing the loss so man cannot be held responsible; force majeure is nature preventing man from performing so man does not have to act.

Liability is going to be about unnecessary exposure to a known risk. I would think demonstrating where one caught the virus is going to be a tricky proof problem. Also wondering about the effectiveness of releases or waivers.

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Thought Act Of God first, but without a vaccine or ability of man to prevent the spread, could it be force majeure as it relates to individual or institutional liability? Agree on your proof problem.

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Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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Are you suggesting the cause of death is being manipulated and assigned to Covid 19?

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You'll never hear such on propaganda networks like CNN or PMSNBC, but of course it's happening

I'm guessing you've heard no such thing???

Can believe I'm communicating with a mentally ill TDSer

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Let the politics begin. The first person who gets sick in public or at work or dies the lawsuits will start getting out of control and anyone in charge will be demonized. Hopefully that doesn't happen but it's an election year so it will be magnified unfortunately.

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The looming litigation will prove to be a financial boon to opportunist attorneys for years.

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An interesting question would be is liability protected under some force majeure provisions.

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It's more of an Act of God defense then force majeure. Act of God is nature causing the loss so man cannot be held responsible; force majeure is nature preventing man from performing so man does not have to act.

Liability is going to be about unnecessary exposure to a known risk. I would think demonstrating where one caught the virus is going to be a tricky proof problem. Also wondering about the effectiveness of releases or waivers.

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Thought Act Of God first, but without a vaccine or ability of man to prevent the spread, could it be force majeure as it relates to individual or institutional liability? Agree on your proof problem.

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Yes, didn't make the distinction well. The poultry producer who had to shut down because its workers have the virus has a force majeure defense to contract actions against it for failure to fill orders. It has an Act of God defense against workers who sue for contracting the disease at the plant.

Force majeure to the first because nature prevented performance. Act of God to the second because nature caused the injury.

You "lawyers" are forgetting about workers' compensation and its exclusivity.

These hosts have had several experts and politicians on who have already answered the question yet they continue to push the narrative. Graham did a pretty good job here.

Interesting stat that India and the continent of Africa have been minimally hit by Covid 19. In fact India with its Billion+ people has fewer cases and deaths than the state of Georgia. One theory floating around is that decades of dealing with malaria has possibly given better immunity to C-19 within these populations

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You "lawyers" are forgetting about workers' compensation and its exclusivity.

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1. Just an example to explain the distinction.

2. Plenty of businesses don't have worker's compensation

3. In Texas there is death exception to worker's compensation in limited circumstances

4. Worker's compensation doesn't work the same in every state.

5. Good plaintiff's lawyers figure out someone other than the employer to sue.

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One of the interesting questions would be is the test picking up antibodies from the virus that perhaps show many of these folks had it and went through the symptoms sometime back.

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No, that's a different kind of test.

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^^^ I'm sure the lefties here will have an opinion on above?

Or crickets from them?

Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...

Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.

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^^^ I'm sure the lefties here will have an opinion on above?

Or crickets from them?

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Social media has been heavily censoring content that does not conform with "the narrative." I had a post on another site removed about NYC over-counting deaths. I always get nervous with fake news and censorship.

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Interesting stat that India and the continent of Africa have been minimally hit by Covid 19. In fact India with its Billion+ people has fewer cases and deaths than the state of Georgia. One theory floating around is that decades of dealing with malaria has possibly given better immunity to C-19 within these populations

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Or they simply arent reporting/counting the same way. Any database is tied to the phrase GIGO.

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Interesting stat that India and the continent of Africa have been minimally hit by Covid 19. In fact India with its Billion+ people has fewer cases and deaths than the state of Georgia. One theory floating around is that decades of dealing with malaria has possibly given better immunity to C-19 within these populations

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Or they simply arent reporting/counting the same way. Any database is tied to the phrase GIGO.

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Certainly could be a contributor, but I would tell you that so many viral outbreaks happen in these regions that WHO is dialed in there. I know South Africa is looking to eliminate their lockdown orders, and despite an early spike Egypt is recovering, even if there's a little GIGO factor in the data.

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Will the socialists be forced to stop the charade for a bit and focus on saving lives?

Shows how useless the lot of the are

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You might ask the President to stop his charade of being out ahead virus. He down played it for a month

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^^^ TDSer on drugs or hard alcohol 24/7

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What goes on in your head when you decide to call me names? What's your thought process? I find it strange that your first is a put down. I am curious about how you think. Do you think of me as a human or do you think me as a non entity? Thank you for a considerate response to my query.

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Waco1947 said:

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Baylor3216 said:

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Will the socialists be forced to stop the charade for a bit and focus on saving lives?

Shows how useless the lot of the are

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You might ask the President to stop his charade of being out ahead virus. He down played it for a month

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^^^ TDSer on drugs or hard alcohol 24/7

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What goes on in your head when you decide to call me names? What's your thought process? I find it strange that your first is a put down. I am curious about how you think. Do you think of me as a human or do you think me as a non entity? Thank you for a considerate response to my query.

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I just read this and had a deja vu all over again. Are you a robot?

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Will the socialists be forced to stop the charade for a bit and focus on saving lives?

Shows how useless the lot of the are

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You might ask the President to stop his charade of being out ahead virus. He down played it for a month

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^^^ TDSer on drugs or hard alcohol 24/7

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What goes on in your head when you decide to call me names? What's your thought process? I find it strange that your first is a put down. I am curious about how you think. Do you think of me as a human or do you think me as a non entity? Thank you for a considerate response to my query.

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I just read this and had a deja vu all over again. Are you a robot?

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Not a robot but a human being . So, What goes on in your head when you decide to call me names? What's your thought process? I find it strange that your first is a put down. I am curious about how you think. Do you think of me as a human or do you think me as a non entity? Thank you for a considerate response to my query.
Your last post was more dismissive name calling. What are thinking before speaking?
I would like a polite response

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Florda_mike said:

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Heart attack etc deaths = Chinese Flu deaths?

Maybe that provides explanation?

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I know facts and nuance aren't your thing but...

Many deaths are categorized as "due to complications of coronavirus", whether the ultimate factor was heart, lungs, etc. Your argument could be made to reduce the number of AIDS deaths to zero.

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You make my point then criticize us both

Insane

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Baylor3216 said:

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Will the socialists be forced to stop the charade for a bit and focus on saving lives?

Shows how useless the lot of the are

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You might ask the President to stop his charade of being out ahead virus. He down played it for a month

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^^^ TDSer on drugs or hard alcohol 24/7

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What goes on in your head when you decide to call me names? What's your thought process? I find it strange that your first is a put down. I am curious about how you think. Do you think of me as a human or do you think me as a non entity? Thank you for a considerate response to my query.

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If you're drunk or on mind changing drugs or mentally incompetent it would be appreciated if you didn't post

I feel by your posts you're at least one if not a combo of the above based on your rambling posts?

So that's how I visualize you

As far as you being a child of God, I love you, but your posts I don't like

How's that?