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I hear ya

90 degrees and humid here in sunny Florida so I'm safe as can be

Grandsons fixing to be here to spend the nite!

I'm loving life

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95 degrees and humid every day, all day here along the equator. No covid here! Oh....wait. Nevermind.

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He said something really stupid ... again

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Are you talking about Dementia Joe?

This twitter thread from Singapore discussing foreign worker dormitories and COVID-19 outbreaks does not bode well for college dorms next school year. Click "show this thread" when you get to twitter. 20.tweet thread.

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"No evidence" that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected: WHO

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-cannot-be-reinfected-who-idUSKCN2270FB

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If antibodies don't work we might as well give up on a vaccine and just get on with life.

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I hear ya

90 degrees and humid here in sunny Florida so I'm safe as can be

Grandsons fixing to be here to spend the nite!

I'm loving life

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95 degrees and humid every day, all day here along the equator. No covid here! Oh....wait. Nevermind.

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Houston's gone 4 days without a death from COVID. Something is affecting that outcome, and it's only reasonable to look for it.

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Maybe it is something simple such as Texas has so far done a better job than NY protecting the at risk population. NY state order was sending suspected COVID-19 patients into the most vulnerable facilities, nursing homes.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/04/1-5-coronavirus-deaths-could-have-been-prevented-daniel-greenfield/#disqus_thread

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Governor Cuomo's Department of Health had issued an order that, "no resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19" and also prohibited requiring testing of returning patients. Sending hospitalized patients with coronavirus to the same mismanaged nursing homes was a death sentence for countless seniors in those facilities.

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The order:
No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/03/doh_covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf

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Did Trump flip-flop, or is Georgia not following his guidelines?

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This report indicates a u-turn based on advice from the scientists.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/politics/donald-trump-brian-kemp-georgia/index.html

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So it was some of both. Georgia didn't follow the guidelines, and Trump withdrew his support after the scientists called it to his attention. Looks like the right result to me.

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Too kind.

One day he says its the governors' call; the next day he tweets "liberate [fill in the state with a Democratic governor].

Tuesday he tells the Ga. Governor he supports the governors' decisions, Wednesday he disagrees publicly and says he told the governor that (which would be an outright lie).

How in the world was Trump not aware of variations from guidelines when he had the phone call with Kemp on Tuesday night?

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His mind is gone. Today at his briefing he asked the doctors about injecting patients with bleach or other disinfectants to clean out the lungs or shining light inside the bodies of patients to kill the virus.

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Actually. it was a stupid reporter who asked the question. Did you even watch the presser?

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Yeah, you're right, I saw that afterwards

These demtard slime balls go with the Fake News reports like they're led by a rope strung around their necks

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I acknowledge that he's spitballing. Still? This the the journalist's fault?

"I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute," Mr Trump said on Thursday. "One minute! And is there a way we can do something by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs . . . so it'd be interesting to check that."

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Correct no one asked Trump anything about this. He stood up to the podium and started rambling out loud after an expert was talking about half life of the virus outside of the body and how quickly disinfectants kill it. Something is clearly wrong with Trump. No one healthy ponders things at a 4 year old level and out loud.

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IV lysol sounds plausible ... if you're in the 2nd grade

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Since that's not what the President actually said, you are not making a real case here. I agree the President was unclear at best, and seemed to be mixing concepts, but the hysteria in reaction is both absurd yet sadly predictable,

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He said something really stupid ... again

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Yet no worse than half a dozen Democrats, or several media jackals.

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But he is POTUS

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You wouldn't think that needed to be pointed out. Six Democrats and ten talking heads have less power by far.

Not An apples to apples comparison to a college dorm. This report says they live 12-20 in the same room.

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Not An apples to apples comparison to a college dorm. This report says they live 12-20 in the same room.

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I agree but if you ever snuk into Collins you know 20 freshmen can fit in a room.

Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 928,386
Total deaths: 52,478

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.

If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest. As another poster mentioned, there does appear to be a regional divide (North/South) in the numbers. Several factors could play into that.

Stat I haven't seen yet: percentage of cases that live in multi-family housing.

ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 928,386
Total deaths: 52,478

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.

If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest. As another poster mentioned, there does appear to be a regional divide (North/South) in the numbers. Several factors could play into that.

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The rise is alarming. But without a control group, I don't think we can draw these types of conclusions. And given what we do know about this virus and its transmission, I think it's reasonable to assume those new case numbers would be higher without some social distancing measures in place.

But it goes back to what Sam and I have been saying. If only 4-8 percent of most communities (New York is higher) have been infected by the virus, that leaves a massive portion of the population still unaffected. And with no vaccine to reduce the transmission rate, it's foolhardy to think this virus has actually hit its peak. This is what makes those who think "flattening the curve" was some sort of finish line so ill-informed. We're going to be spreading this virus from person to person for months. We're just trying to slow that spread enough to keep individual communities from being overrun because that's where the greatest danger comes.

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 928,386
Total deaths: 52,478

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.

If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest. As another poster mentioned, there does appear to be a regional divide (North/South) in the numbers. Several factors could play into that.

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The rise is alarming. But without a control group, I don't think we can draw these types of conclusions. And given what we do know about this virus and its transmission, I think it's reasonable to assume those new case numbers would be higher without some social distancing measures in place.

But it goes back to what Sam and I have been saying. If only 4-8 percent of most communities (New York is higher) have been infected by the virus, that leaves a massive portion of the population still unaffected. And with no vaccine to reduce the transmission rate, it's foolhardy to think this virus has actually hit its peak. This is what makes those who think "flattening the curve" was some sort of finish line so ill-informed. We're going to be spreading this virus from person to person for months. We're just trying to slow that spread enough to keep individual communities from being overrun because that's where the greatest danger comes.

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You stick with speculation, I'll stick to the data.

ATL Bear said:

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If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest.

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Meaning the shortest.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest.

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Meaning the shortest.

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You need to stop quoting outdated articles. Unfortunately, California has been rising significantly after a good start.

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ATL Bear said:

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Updated virus progression

US:
March 19: 4,530 new cases, 57 new deaths
March 20: 5,594 new cases, 49 new deaths
March 21: 4,824 new cases, 46 new deaths
March 22: 9,339 new cases. 117 new deaths
March 23: 10,168 new cases. 140 new deaths.
March 24: 11,089 new cases. 225 new deaths.
March 25: 13,355 new cases. 247 new deaths.
March 26: 17,224 new cases. 268 new deaths.
March 27: 18,691 new cases. 401 new deaths.
March 28: 19,452 new cases. 525 new deaths
March 29: 18,882 new cases. 264 new deaths
March 30: 20,353 new cases. 573 new deaths.
March 31: 24,742 new cases. 912 new deaths.
April 1: 26,473 new cases. 1049 new deaths.
April 2: 29,874 new cases. 968 new deaths.
April 3: 32,284 new cases. 1,321 new deaths.
April 4: 34,196 new cases. 1,331 new deaths.
April 5: 25,316 new cases. 1,165 new deaths.
April 6: 30,331 new cases. 1,255 new deaths.
April 7: 33,331 new cases. 1,970 new deaths.
April 8: 31,935 new cases. 1,940 new deaths
April 9: 33,536 new cases. 1,900 new deaths.
April 10: 33,752 new cases. 2,035 new deaths.
April 11: 30,003 new cases. 1,830 new deaths
April 12: 27,421 new cases. 1,528 new deaths.
April 13: 26,641 new cases. 1,535 new deaths.
April 14: 30,288 new cases. 6,129 new deaths.
April 15: 30,700 new cases. 2,796 new deaths.
April 16: 31,805 new cases. 2,108 new deaths.
April 17: 31,575 new cases. 2,524 new deaths
April 18: 28,526 new cases. 2,076 new deaths.
April 19: 25,778 new cases. 1,638 new deaths.
April 20: 28,751 new cases. 1,781 new deaths.
April 21: 25,615 new cases. 2,847 new deaths.
April 22: 29,958 new cases. 2,221 new deaths.
April 23: 34,856 new cases. 2,425 new deaths.
April 24: 37,057 new cases. 2,170 new deaths

Total cases (tested): 928,386
Total deaths: 52,478

Texas:
March 30: 2,906 cases. 41 deaths.
March 31: 3,666 cases. 56 deaths.
April 1: 4,068 cases. 60 deaths
April 2: 4,823 cases. 77 deaths
April 3: 5,658 cases. 97 deaths
April 4: 6,311 cases. 111 deaths
April 5: 7,044 cases. 133 deaths
April 6: 8,088 cases. 151 deaths
April 7: 8,939 cases. 167 deaths
April 8: 10,065 cases. 195 deaths
April 9: 11,426 cases. 222 deaths
April 10: 12,186 cases. 248 deaths.
April 11: 13,205 cases. 267 deaths
April 12: 13,640 cases. 278 deaths
April 13: 14,277 cases. 295 deaths
April 14: 15,013 cases. 345 deaths
April 15: 16,009 cases. 375 deaths.
April 16: 17,265 cases. 429 deaths.
April 17: 18,079 cases. 459 deaths.
April 18: 18,921 cases. 484 deaths.
April 19: 19,404 cases. 500 deaths.
April 20: 20,087 cases. 520 deaths.
April 21: 20,975 cases. 545 deaths
April 22: 21,774 cases. 567 deaths.
April 23: 22,650 cases. 604 deaths
April 24: 23,642 cases. 624 deaths.

New York:
March 30: 67,325 cases. 1,342 deaths.
March 31: 75,983 cases. 1,714 deaths.
April 1: 83,901 cases. 2,219 deaths. (505 today!)
April 2: 93,053 cases. 2,583 deaths.
April 3: 103,476 cases. 3,218 deaths. (680 today!)
April 4: 114,775 cases. 3,565 deaths.
April 5: 123,018 cases. 4,159 deaths. (594 today)
April 6: 131,916 cases. 4,758 deaths. (599 today)
April 7: 142,384 cases. 5,489 deaths. (731 today)
April 8: 151,171 cases. 6,268 deaths. (779 today)
April 9: 161,504 cases. 7,067 deaths. (799 today)
April 10: 172,358 cases. 7,844 deaths. (777 today)
April 11: 181,144 cases. 8,627 deaths (783 today)
April 12: 189,415 cases. 9,385 deaths (758 today)
April 13: 195,655 cases. 10,056 deaths (671 today)
April 14: 207,168 cases. 14,612 deaths (4,556 today)
April 15: 218,911 cases. 15,648 deaths (1,036 today)
April 16: 227,625 cases. 16,130 deaths (482 today)
April 17: 235,395 cases. 17,131 deaths (1,001 today)
April 18: 242,580 cases. 17,627 deaths (541 today)
April 19: 248,431 cases. 18,298 deaths (671 today)
April 20: 253,324 cases. 18,822 deaths (524 today)
April 21: 258,589 cases. 19,753 deaths (931 today)
April 22: 263,754 cases. 20,255 deaths (501 today)
April 23: 271,162 cases. 20,982 deaths (727 today)
April 24: 279,314 cases. 21,430 deaths (448 today)

Georgia:
April 3: 5955 cases. 196 deaths.
April 4: 6373 cases. 206 deaths.
April 5: 6729 cases. 217 deaths.
April 6: 7549 cases. 285 deaths.
April 7: 9131 cases. 335 deaths.
April 8: 10,203 cases. 361 deaths.
April 9: 10,882 cases. 407 deaths.
April 10: 11,852 cases. 421 deaths.
April 11: 12,261 cases. 432 deaths.
April 12: 12,550 cases. 440 deaths.
April 13: 13,621 cases. 477 deaths.
April 14: 14,578 cases. 523 deaths.
April 15: 15,267 cases. 575 deaths.
April 16: 16,354 cases. 613 deaths.
April 17: 17,434 cases. 668 deaths.
April 18: 17,841 cases. 677 deaths.
April 19: 18,297 cases. 687 deaths.
April 20: 19,388 cases. 769 deaths.
April 21: 20,156 cases. 816 deaths.
April 22: 21,090 cases. 845 deaths.
April 23: 21,883 cases. 881 deaths.
April 24: 22,491 cases. 899 deaths.

If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest. As another poster mentioned, there does appear to be a regional divide (North/South) in the numbers. Several factors could play into that.

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The rise is alarming. But without a control group, I don't think we can draw these types of conclusions. And given what we do know about this virus and its transmission, I think it's reasonable to assume those new case numbers would be higher without some social distancing measures in place.

But it goes back to what Sam and I have been saying. If only 4-8 percent of most communities (New York is higher) have been infected by the virus, that leaves a massive portion of the population still unaffected. And with no vaccine to reduce the transmission rate, it's foolhardy to think this virus has actually hit its peak. This is what makes those who think "flattening the curve" was some sort of finish line so ill-informed. We're going to be spreading this virus from person to person for months. We're just trying to slow that spread enough to keep individual communities from being overrun because that's where the greatest danger comes.

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You stick with speculation, I'll stick to the data.

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Without a control group, it's all speculation. That Sweden is about the only country that was willing to risk its population to be that control group is telling in my opinion, but no firm conclusions can be drawn on either side without more complete data.

Given what we do know about this virus and have seen with Sweden, I do think it's reasonable to suggest that coordinated social distancing has indeed had an impact. Either way, I would argue that concluding the opposite based on incomplete data is follly.

EDIT: stupid emojis.

The news is getting worse in NY. Awful State policy forced nursing homes that were housing the most at risk population to allow the virus to enter, Indefensible.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags/

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The first coronavirus patients admitted to a Queens nursing home under a controversial state mandate arrived along with some grim accessories a supply of body bags, The Post has learned.

An executive at the facility which was previously free of the deadly disease said the bags were in the shipment of personal protective equipment received the same day the home was forced to begin treating two people discharged from hospitals with COVID-19.

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The NY State order link below: NH = "Nursing Home".

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/03/doh_covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf

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No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.

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Booray said:

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Stat I haven't seen yet: percentage of cases that live in multi-family housing.

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I'm guessing you can include 100% of the nursing home fatalities. But I'm with you and would like to see how many originated in close quarter/multi-family living arrangements.

ATL Bear said:

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If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest.

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Meaning the shortest.

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You need to stop quoting outdated articles. Unfortunately, California has been rising significantly after a good start.

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Not really. With a population roughly twice New York's, California had 1794 new cases yesterday to NY's 8192. As of today CA is at 105 cases per 100K people, less than 1/5 of Louisiana and less than 1/10 of NY.

How can you be this stupid to even suggest this, and even worse how idiotic is the press that they don't call him out for saying something like this.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest.

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Meaning the shortest.

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You need to stop quoting outdated articles. Unfortunately, California has been rising significantly after a good start.

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Not really. With a population roughly twice New York's, California had 1794 new cases yesterday to NY's 8192. As of today CA is at 105 cases per 100K people, less than 1/5 of Louisiana and less than 1/10 of NY.

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Yes, NY and CA should be compared and contrasted as to why one is having success and the other not comparatively. Whether social distancing measures matter as much as we think is likely not the factor since they both were early adopters. It still doesn't change the fact that California's uptick has been as of late.

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Stat I haven't seen yet: percentage of cases that live in multi-family housing.

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Lot of variety even there.

riflebear said:

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How can you be this stupid to even suggest this, and even worse how idiotic is the press that they don't call him out for saying something like this.

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If we even knew 10% of the scams Schiff is involved with I bet this entire country would want him hung

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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If social distancing and lockdowns are working, then it's not showing in the numbers. Today was the highest new case day in the US (it beat yesterday's high), and it is driven by the usual suspect states that have been on extreme measures the longest.

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Meaning the shortest.

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You need to stop quoting outdated articles. Unfortunately, California has been rising significantly after a good start.

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Not really. With a population roughly twice New York's, California had 1794 new cases yesterday to NY's 8192. As of today CA is at 105 cases per 100K people, less than 1/5 of Louisiana and less than 1/10 of NY.

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Yes, NY and CA should be compared and contrasted as to why one is having success and the other not comparatively. Whether social distancing measures matter as much as we think is likely not the factor since they both were early adopters. It still doesn't change the fact that California's uptick has been as of late.

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Well, that goes back to the WaPo article I linked above. CA was an earlier adopter.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-april-24-2020/download

Rate (per 100,000) of Confirmed COVID-19 Cases Reported as Hospitalized* by Age Group (page 10 right graph)

Once you identify the at-risk population it is more efficient to focus your quarantine efforts on the correct age groups. No reason to lock everyone down like they are all equally at risk. See right side of page 10 of the above PDF if you need clarity on who the at-risk are that need to be protected. Hint avg. age of those hospitalized - 68.

Looks like Azar will be removed soon. This couldn't have helped him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/labradoodle-breeder-brian-harrison-picked-as-hhs-coronavirus-leader-2020-4

https://theweek.com/speedreads/911025/white-house-reportedly-discussing-plan-replace-hhs-chief-azar

Ventilator worthless for those over 65. Only 3% survival rate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study?__twitter_impression=true

UV

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/

We are all operating in the blind. We need testing, testing and more testing to know anything about its spread and infection rates.
Did I mention testing, testing and more testing?

Waco1947 said:

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We are all operating in the blind. We need testing, testing and more testing to know anything about its spread and infection rates.
Did I mention testing, testing and more testing?

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I agree
I trust you'll stay home & safe

Jack and DP said:

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UV

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/

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Interesting

Waco1947 said:

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We are all operating in the blind. We need testing, testing and more testing to know anything about its spread and infection rates.
Did I mention testing, testing and more testing?

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We are not in the blind. Far from it.