This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
bularry said:
What economy destroying measures?
A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
So you're also proudly a piece of ****. In that case, *****you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
LTbear said:So you're also proudly a piece of ***** **** you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
nein51 said:
That's a really Malthusian approach. That is going to be super unpopular even if it is incredibly pragmatic.
I hope when I'm older to not be faced with a decision like that. I think each of us would like to live forever, especially as death come closer.
It seems like you are an emotional thinker. We can't always react out of emotion. At some point we have to be realistic about the situation. People will die from this no matter what we do. It's an unavoidable fact. And we absolutely should take reasonable measures to reduce that. But there does become a cost-benefit analysis, and I don't just mean financial cost. At some point, the "cost" of saving one extra life that would be killed by the virus will result in the loss of life from someone that wouldn't be impacted by the virus. This will come in the form of lost jobs, stress from an impending financial crisis, domestic violence at home because of additional stress, Increased divorce rates, hunger and homelessness. It's tragic these people may die from COVID-19, but the sad reality is people in these groups likely would have died from the annual flu or a number of other Illnesses. We need to take all reasonable precautions, but at some point shutting down the world economy, which could cost the lives of hundreds of thousands or millions, isn't worth the cost to save the lives of a few thousand. It's just a simple fact.LTbear said:So you're also proudly a piece of ****. In that case, *****you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
Your last sentence is somewhat ambiguous so I wanted to clarify, are you suggesting as the supposed "rationalist" you're one of the crazies who believes Covid19 was created in a Chinese research lab?Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
The statistics about who are affected and die are generalizations. There are situations where an otherwise normally "safe" demographic still has something about their system that makes them highly vulnerable. Are you willing personally to have your life sacrificed as you seem to throw the elderly and immune compromised into the trash......because you have no control on how your body would react, so that we don't create further economic damage?Bearitto said:LTbear said:So you're also proudly a piece of ***** **** you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
Stop acting like a spoiled child. Decisions have real world consequences and harm real people. Fewer people will be hurt for a shorter time if the virus just burns through. Economic damage will be less. Grow up.
BaylorBJM said:Your last sentence is somewhat ambiguous so I wanted to clarify, are you suggesting as the supposed "rationalist" you're one of the crazies who believes Covid19 was created in a Chinese research lab?Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
It's likely more people will die from the flu this year. The numbers are looking that way. And people die at much higher numbers and rates due to many other factors. The economy still continues to grow. Death is a natural part of life. We weren't shoveling bodies out of the streets and even if we did nothing, it wouldn't have been that bad. All reasonable measures should be done to reduce loss of life, but we can't shut down the world economy every time this happens. The economic impact from this will be felt for some time. My biggest fear is that we will overreact to every virus now and we will have huge impacts to our economy every year because of irrational group think.PartyBear said:nein51 said:
That's a really Malthusian approach. That is going to be super unpopular even if it is incredibly pragmatic.
I hope when I'm older to not be faced with a decision like that. I think each of us would like to live forever, especially as death come closer.
It isn't a pragmatic approach. A lot of deaths and a lot of illness are what will hurt the economy. Not to mention weaken the US. It is actually the opposite of self preservation.
blackie said:The statistics about who are affected and die are generalizations. There are situations where an otherwise normally "safe" demographic still has something about their system that makes them highly vulnerable. Are you willing personally to have your life sacrificed as you seem to throw the elderly and immune compromised into the trash......because you have no control on how your body would react, so that we don't create further economic damage?Bearitto said:LTbear said:So you're also proudly a piece of ***** **** you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
Stop acting like a spoiled child. Decisions have real world consequences and harm real people. Fewer people will be hurt for a shorter time if the virus just burns through. Economic damage will be less. Grow up.
This country was built on helping each other when the need arises, damn the economy or anything else. I can now understand the gist of many of your posts. You don't give a **** about anyone but yourself and those like you. And we wonder why this country is being split apart and the speech coming from those on the extremes, both left and right, is a dagger into the heart of this country.
Understood. Not projecting, simply a genuine question given the way you phrased it. I don't really agree with anything else you typed but at the very least I'm glad you're not one of the conspiracy theorists.Bearitto said:BaylorBJM said:Your last sentence is somewhat ambiguous so I wanted to clarify, are you suggesting as the supposed "rationalist" you're one of the crazies who believes Covid19 was created in a Chinese research lab?Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
Don't project. The virus was created in Wuhan either by disgusting Chinese cultural practices of eating road kill or by lazy hygiene at the Wuhan disease control center. It's a Chinese created virus. No I don't think they engineered it.
contrario said:It's likely more people will die from the flu this year. The numbers are looking that way. And people die at much higher numbers and rates due to many other factors. The economy still continues to grow. Death is a natural part of life. We weren't shoveling bodies out of the streets and even if we did nothing, it wouldn't have been that bad. All reasonable measures should be done to reduce loss of life, but we can't shut down the world economy every time this happens. The economic impact from this will be felt for some time. My biggest fear is that we will overreact to every virus now and we will have huge impacts to our economy every year because of irrational group think.PartyBear said:nein51 said:
That's a really Malthusian approach. That is going to be super unpopular even if it is incredibly pragmatic.
I hope when I'm older to not be faced with a decision like that. I think each of us would like to live forever, especially as death come closer.
It isn't a pragmatic approach. A lot of deaths and a lot of illness are what will hurt the economy. Not to mention weaken the US. It is actually the opposite of self preservation.
I can speak to that, somewhat. I have in-laws in Hong Kong, have worked in China myself, and have many friends who live in China.Bearitto said:BaylorBJM said:Your last sentence is somewhat ambiguous so I wanted to clarify, are you suggesting as the supposed "rationalist" you're one of the crazies who believes Covid19 was created in a Chinese research lab?Bearitto said:LTbear said:A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.Bearitto said:This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.Oldbear83 said:
Just want to document now what you think will happen.
What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?
1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing
What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.
This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.
Don't project. The virus was created in Wuhan either by disgusting Chinese cultural practices of eating road kill or by lazy hygiene at the Wuhan disease control center. It's a Chinese created virus. No I don't think they engineered it.
My point was we have a lot of illness and death every year and the economy isn't hurt. I was responding to your point that death and illness are what will hurt the economy, as if the measures we are currently taking won't hurt the economy.PartyBear said:contrario said:It's likely more people will die from the flu this year. The numbers are looking that way. And people die at much higher numbers and rates due to many other factors. The economy still continues to grow. Death is a natural part of life. We weren't shoveling bodies out of the streets and even if we did nothing, it wouldn't have been that bad. All reasonable measures should be done to reduce loss of life, but we can't shut down the world economy every time this happens. The economic impact from this will be felt for some time. My biggest fear is that we will overreact to every virus now and we will have huge impacts to our economy every year because of irrational group think.PartyBear said:nein51 said:
That's a really Malthusian approach. That is going to be super unpopular even if it is incredibly pragmatic.
I hope when I'm older to not be faced with a decision like that. I think each of us would like to live forever, especially as death come closer.
It isn't a pragmatic approach. A lot of deaths and a lot of illness are what will hurt the economy. Not to mention weaken the US. It is actually the opposite of self preservation.
So which is it. The economy is growing or it is shut down? You said both are happening. Incidentally the economy shutting down is the decision of business and investors themselves. No one else is doing it. Complain to them.
PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation .
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
nein51 said:PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation .
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
He also just stated schools may not reopen this year.
They are being overrun because people are panicking and going to the hospital when they probably shouldn't be. We've had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases in the US so far. We can all agree that these numbers are probably low because of testing and because some people have very mild or no symptoms at all. So are you telling me our hospital system can't handle 3,000 sick people? Because that's where we are today. And based on the trends experienced in other countries that have reached their peak, we should be reaching the peak in the US in the next week or so. And the truth is, not everyone that gets the virus needs a hospital bed. Most of the people that get the virus just need to be treated and isolated, which can be done at home. Just like when we get any other virus, we have to let it run its course, and the rates have indicated that as long as you are under 60 and otherwise healthy, you likely don't need a hospital bed. I think this panic that we are going to run out of hospital beds in the next week is highly overblown and meant to strike fear in people that can't do basic math.PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation . The idea of well they just need to die is very much sounding like the death panels many of y'all made up 10 years ago.
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
PartyBear said:nein51 said:PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation .
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
He also just stated schools may not reopen this year.
Surely there is some way for school districts to go online.
PartyBear said:nein51 said:PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation .
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
He also just stated schools may not reopen this year.
Surely there is some way for school districts to go online.
PartyBear said:
FYI I'm not Governor DeWine. I'm not thinking about closing Ohio's schools.
However if DeWine does this hopefully he doesn't do it in a way that screws up every Ohio kid's academic track.
contrario said:They are being overrun because people are panicking and going to the hospital when they probably shouldn't be. We've had a little over 3,000 confirmed cases in the US so far. We can all agree that these numbers are probably low because of testing and because some people have very mild or no symptoms at all. So are you telling me our hospital system can't handle 3,000 sick people? Because that's where we are today. And based on the trends experienced in other countries that have reached their peak, we should be reaching the peak in the US in the next week or so. And the truth is, not everyone that gets the virus needs a hospital bed. Most of the people that get the virus just need to be treated and isolated, which can be done at home. Just like when we get any other virus, we have to let it run its course, and the rates have indicated that as long as you are under 60 and otherwise healthy, you likely don't need a hospital bed. I think this panic that we are going to run out of hospital beds in the next week is highly overblown and meant to strike fear in people that can't do basic math.PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation . The idea of well they just need to die is very much sounding like the death panels many of y'all made up 10 years ago.
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
How many of those kids are under the sole care of grandparents or parents with existing medical conditions that place them at high risk, or live in households with other people at higher risk? The kids get infected and bring it home and those at home are now directly exposed, people who are directly responsible for the children's care.Bearitto said:PartyBear said:nein51 said:PartyBear said:
Do you realize the hospitals will be over run? This is more than a few deaths it is thousands of very sick people (potentially more than we have hospital beds for). The University of Cincinnati Medical School/Center has just added make shift hospital tents on campus in preparation .
This is headed toward putting a lot of stress on a lot of things. Btw since my last post. I did see that the Ohio Governor may shut down all bars and restaurants in Ohio. He is openly floating the idea.
He also just stated schools may not reopen this year.
Surely there is some way for school districts to go online.
That is utter foolishness. We know who is at risk and it isn't kids. Let them learn.
