YepRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
The riots and looting was coming no matter what. The murder of George Floyd was just the excuse to light the fuse.
Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Doc Holliday said:By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Is this your view?
Justice is slow.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Is this your view?
My view is the Mr. Floyd did not receive justice
Doc Holliday said:Justice is slow.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Is this your view?
My view is the Mr. Floyd did not receive justice
If this cop is found guilty of murder, is that justice?
We both know preventing what happened is impossible.
disagree with bolded. cops need to be trained differently.Doc Holliday said:Justice is slow.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Is this your view?
My view is the Mr. Floyd did not receive justice
If this cop is found guilty of murder, is that justice?
We both know preventing what happened is impossible.
D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Doc Holliday said:
These riots are based on singular instances.
It doesn't matter if he held the cashier at gunpoint and emptied the register. The guy was slowly suffocated to death by blunt pressure to the neck area well after he had given up the fight. Absolute travesty. The fact it was a lesser crime probably makes it even more of one.tommie said:D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
His crime (we now know) was using a counterfeit $20 in the store. I don't know if he intentionally passed a fake $20 or it was given to him and he thought it was real.
Some people dont need to be cops.BearFan33 said:disagree with bolded. cops need to be trained differently.Doc Holliday said:Justice is slow.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:By that logic, every criminal cop or government employee being brought to justice (incarcerated/death penalty) isn't really justice.D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
Is this your view?
My view is the Mr. Floyd did not receive justice
If this cop is found guilty of murder, is that justice?
We both know preventing what happened is impossible.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
The riots and looting were coming no matter what. The murder of George Floyd was just the excuse to light the fuse.
I had this conversation with someone yesterday. They defended the cops somehow and their line of defense was, "We dont know what he said to the cop." I said do you think someone should be put to death for their words? Where do you even come up with that thought?ATL Bear said:It doesn't matter if he held the cashier at gunpoint and emptied the register. The guy was slowly suffocated to death by blunt pressure to the neck area well after he had given up the fight. Absolute travesty. The fact it was a lesser crime probably makes it even more of one.tommie said:D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
His crime (we now know) was using a counterfeit $20 in the store. I don't know if he intentionally passed a fake $20 or it was given to him and he thought it was real.
Not trying to argue for or against what RD said here Robby, but I think they were coming as soon as this happened due to the fact that it is coupled with the Case in Georgia for Ahmaud Arbery. There was alot of tension boiling from that and rightfully so and then this murder happened and it was a matter of time. Whatever the next event was I think riots were going to happen. I have no issue at all with peaceful protests but the riots and looting have to stop. The people rioting and looting dont care about what happened they are just idiots. And they are idiots of all shapes sizes and races from what I have seen.robby44 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
The riots and looting were coming no matter what. The murder of George Floyd was just the excuse to light the fuse.
Not true.
In the cases of Botham Jean (Dallas) and Atatiana Jefferson (Fort Worth) both of whom were killed in their homes there were zero riots. In fact hugs and bibles were offered to the killer Amber Guyger
What a bunch of BS. Over the past 60 years, no nation in the history of mankind has done as much or more to right societal wrongs (that most definitely needed to be righted) and societally speaking, even the playing field for a minority of its citizens than the USA has done for the black community over the course of that time. Nobody is denying we have a lot of bad history regarding the plight and treatment of blacks and the black community, but on the other hand we have a bunch of people that want to deny the obvious progress and improvement in that regard over the last half century plus. I've lived through the time period we're talking about and it's a very different world than it used to be in this regard - thank goodness.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
These riots are based on singular instances.
That is wishful thinking. I'm not sure how people like you manage to ignore the racial tensions of the past few centuries in America, but basic equal treatment has still not been achieved, according to any given objective metric.
The law, only relatively recently, has been changed to allow for true equality, but we all know that the law is not equally applied.
Minorities are not killed at a greater clip than whites, contrary to popular leftist propaganda, but minorities are beat up, arrested, prosecuted, jailed at a far greater clip than whites.
This is not a singular instance, it is the culmination of centuries of injustice. While the media, and pop culture is complicit in enraging minorities over a bad take on equality, when it comes to cops murdering citizens, the general consensus that this is the latest in a long line of injustices is obviously correct.
Cops have have a long way to go to regain public trust, and are seemingly heading the opposite direction, with haste.
I don't know if the riots and looting were "coming no matter what", but the fact remains that some of these so called "protesters" are nothing more than dirt bag, scum bucket criminals jumping at the chance to take advantage of a tragic situation to pillage and plunder because they know they'll get away with it. It makes about as much sense as me reacting to something a cop did in my neighborhood that incensed me by breaking into my next door neighbor's home and stealing their smart TV. There is just no justification for it and it outrages me almost as much as what happened to George Floyd.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
The riots and looting were coming no matter what. The murder of George Floyd was just the excuse to light the fuse.
Johnny Bear said:What a bunch of BS. Over the past 60 years, no nation in the history of mankind has done as much or more to right societal wrongs (that most definitely needed to be righted) and societally speaking, even the playing field for a minority of its citizens than the USA has done for the black community over the course of that time. Nobody is denying we have a lot of bad history regarding the plight and treatment of blacks and the black community, but on the other hand we have a bunch of people that want to deny the obvious progress and improvement in that regard over the last half century plus. I've lived through the time period we're talking about and it's a very different world than it used to be in this regard - thank goodness.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
These riots are based on singular instances.
That is wishful thinking. I'm not sure how people like you manage to ignore the racial tensions of the past few centuries in America, but basic equal treatment has still not been achieved, according to any given objective metric.
The law, only relatively recently, has been changed to allow for true equality, but we all know that the law is not equally applied.
Minorities are not killed at a greater clip than whites, contrary to popular leftist propaganda, but minorities are beat up, arrested, prosecuted, jailed at a far greater clip than whites.
This is not a singular instance, it is the culmination of centuries of injustice. While the media, and pop culture is complicit in enraging minorities over a bad take on equality, when it comes to cops murdering citizens, the general consensus that this is the latest in a long line of injustices is obviously correct.
Cops have have a long way to go to regain public trust, and are seemingly heading the opposite direction, with haste.
Does that mean racism has been eliminated? Of course not and just like crazy lunatics will never be eliminated, individuals here and there who are bigots (that exist in all communities with varying skin colors and ethnicities) will never be totally eradicated. And by the way, all of them are wrong and all of them have counterproductive/divisive beliefs. The norm, however, is the vast majority are not racists or bigots, but since there is so much to gain politically by claiming that's not the case per those on the left, they'll never acknowledge it and will always claim the opposite is true.
As far as this terrible, deadly incident in Minneapolis, yes, it most definitely is a "one off" type of occurrence by some bad cops. Yes, sadly and tragically there are some bad cops out there (some of them even served at the highest levels of law enforcement during the Obama Administration), but the vast majority do anywhere from an adequate to an outstanding job of serving and protecting. It's both wholly inaccurate and ridiculous to portray this as some kind of widespread systemic problem. It isn't. It's a rare occurrence and hopefully the perpetrators of this crime will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
There are some bad, evil people in the USA in any legal profession/vocation you want to name, but the vast majority clearly aren't and when that small minority of bad/evil people commit a crime or atrocity it's absurd to paint everyone (or even the majority) in that profession/vocation as being the equivalent thereof - especially including law enforcement.
robby44 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
The riots and looting were coming no matter what. The murder of George Floyd was just the excuse to light the fuse.
Not true.
In the cases of Botham Jean (Dallas) and Atatiana Jefferson (Fort Worth) both of whom were killed in their homes there were zero riots. In fact hugs and bibles were offered to the killer Amber Guyger
BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
As long as its one of the 16 stores they closed have at it.SIC EM 94 said:BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
Perhaps the jury had a bit more information in the Castille incident than you, and thus reached the decision that they did? If there is another police involved shooting in "the same area", does that mean looters get to step up to Nordstrom's next?
ATL Bear said:It doesn't matter if he held the cashier at gunpoint and emptied the register. The guy was slowly suffocated to death by blunt pressure to the neck area well after he had given up the fight. Absolute travesty. The fact it was a lesser crime probably makes it even more of one.tommie said:D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
His crime (we now know) was using a counterfeit $20 in the store. I don't know if he intentionally passed a fake $20 or it was given to him and he thought it was real.
Is it even a crime, what if he moved to Minnesota from Houston for work, was paid in cash, and that particular $20 happened to be a fake. Some jobs pay cash, I've had several. Never questioned if I was paid with a counterfeit.ATL Bear said:It doesn't matter if he held the cashier at gunpoint and emptied the register. The guy was slowly suffocated to death by blunt pressure to the neck area well after he had given up the fight. Absolute travesty. The fact it was a lesser crime probably makes it even more of one.tommie said:D. C. Bear said:Doc Holliday said:
Remember when our country waited to see if justice would be served before rioting?
Justice has not been denied for George Floyd.
George Floyd has died in vain as people burn cities, communities and small business to the ground.
Sad.
George Floyd is dead. Killed by the state without due process of law. I don't know if there is a more perfect example of "justice denied."
His crime (we now know) was using a counterfeit $20 in the store. I don't know if he intentionally passed a fake $20 or it was given to him and he thought it was real.
A white woman named Justine Damond was wrongfully shot and killed by a police officer also, and there was an attempt to cover it up. The officers were eventually charged and convicted. Something rotten is going on in that Minneapolis police force.BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
D. C. Bear said:Johnny Bear said:What a bunch of BS. Over the past 60 years, no nation in the history of mankind has done as much or more to right societal wrongs (that most definitely needed to be righted) and societally speaking, even the playing field for a minority of its citizens than the USA has done for the black community over the course of that time. Nobody is denying we have a lot of bad history regarding the plight and treatment of blacks and the black community, but on the other hand we have a bunch of people that want to deny the obvious progress and improvement in that regard over the last half century plus. I've lived through the time period we're talking about and it's a very different world than it used to be in this regard - thank goodness.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
These riots are based on singular instances.
That is wishful thinking. I'm not sure how people like you manage to ignore the racial tensions of the past few centuries in America, but basic equal treatment has still not been achieved, according to any given objective metric.
The law, only relatively recently, has been changed to allow for true equality, but we all know that the law is not equally applied.
Minorities are not killed at a greater clip than whites, contrary to popular leftist propaganda, but minorities are beat up, arrested, prosecuted, jailed at a far greater clip than whites.
This is not a singular instance, it is the culmination of centuries of injustice. While the media, and pop culture is complicit in enraging minorities over a bad take on equality, when it comes to cops murdering citizens, the general consensus that this is the latest in a long line of injustices is obviously correct.
Cops have have a long way to go to regain public trust, and are seemingly heading the opposite direction, with haste.
Does that mean racism has been eliminated? Of course not and just like crazy lunatics will never be eliminated, individuals here and there who are bigots (that exist in all communities with varying skin colors and ethnicities) will never be totally eradicated. And by the way, all of them are wrong and all of them have counterproductive/divisive beliefs. The norm, however, is the vast majority are not racists or bigots, but since there is so much to gain politically by claiming that's not the case per those on the left, they'll never acknowledge it and will always claim the opposite is true.
As far as this terrible, deadly incident in Minneapolis, yes, it most definitely is a "one off" type of occurrence by some bad cops. Yes, sadly and tragically there are some bad cops out there (some of them even served at the highest levels of law enforcement during the Obama Administration), but the vast majority do anywhere from an adequate to an outstanding job of serving and protecting. It's both wholly inaccurate and ridiculous to portray this as some kind of widespread systemic problem. It isn't. It's a rare occurrence and hopefully the perpetrators of this crime will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
There are some bad, evil people in the USA in any legal profession/vocation you want to name, but the vast majority clearly aren't and when that small minority of bad/evil people commit a crime or atrocity it's absurd to paint everyone (or even the majority) in that profession/vocation as being the equivalent thereof - especially including law enforcement.
This was not a crime by an individual. This guy had a history and he wasn't dealt with appropriately by the institution he worked for.
BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
Yep. That's my fear with the Arbery case. If the prosecutor goes hard on Murder 1 and they reasonable doubt their way out, I can't fathom the outrage to follow. Slam dunk the manslaughter and felony assault and argue for max sentencing.Canada2017 said:BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
Have you ever pulled jury duty ?
It's not easy .
What's clear in one person's mind is reasonable doubt in another's .
I was "one of two extras" on a jury for a federal prison escapee. When we two were released prior to jury deliberations, we agreed on the way down the stairs: GUILTY. I was stunned the next morning to read in the paper: INNOCENT.Canada2017 said:BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
Have you ever pulled jury duty ?
It's not easy .
What's clear in one person's mind is reasonable doubt in another's .
SIC EM 94 said:BUMBA1 said:
You guys do realize that this is the same area where Philando Castille was killed and that officer was acquitted. They've already seen how justice plays out. So the rioting, while troublesome and inexcusable, also takes into account previous incidents where justice definitely wasn't served.
Perhaps the jury had a bit more information in the Castille incident than you, and thus reached the decision that they did? If there is another police involved shooting in "the same area", does that mean looters get to step up to Nordstrom's next?
