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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The problem for the Democrats is that HRC ignored the smaller swing states assuming they would vote for the Democrat. It's a good example of why the founders created the electoral college. It requires candidates to give attention to the concerns of smaller states. HRC forgot that and it bit her. That won't happen again. Democrats won't bypass those states this time. Trump barely won those states. Trump has lost ground in those states, which will make it difficult to repeat his electoral colletge total.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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No, you tried that lie several times but it's not sticking.

Maybe you should try something different than the 2016 Clinton playbook.

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Ad hominem attacks again, your standard MO. It's too much for you to comprehend that there are Republicans who don't support Trump.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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Trump repeated that a lot. Do you believe it? Me neither.


The narrative below was repeated a lot. Do you believe it? I thought so, thus proving Goebbels partially correct.

At Mt. Rushmore, Trump uses Fourth of July celebration to stoke a culture war
Los Angeles Times
Trump Uses Mount Rushmore Speech to Deliver Divisive Culture War Message
New York Times
Trump pushes racial division, flouts virus rules at Rushmore
Associated Press
At Mount Rushmore, Trump exploits social divisions, warns of 'left-wing cultural revolution' in dark speech ahead of Independence Day
Washington Post

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It is fascinating how the agenda consistently aligns with the above "news" sources.

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Coincidence?

You're off the deep end if you don't think popular mandates are a thing that matters in politics.

You're focused on how to win, which is fine, but I'm trying to explain to you that there is more to governing than just winning the office. Trump won, and due to the groundwork laid by McConnell he gets to shape the judiciary branch, but he never had a mandate or level of support to actually accomplish anything legislatively. Even his sole legislative achievement in 4yrs of being in Office, the 2017 tax cuts, had to be passed with a procedural gimmick to get around the 60 vote threshold.

Enough time under minority rule gets you where we are now: massive unrest among people who perceive their votes to count for less, fanned by Trump's incompetence, and a POTUS who just can't grasp why people dont like him so he keeps making things worse.

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Florda_mike said:

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You're off the deep end if you don't think popular mandates are a thing that matters in politics.

You're focused on how to win, which is fine, but I'm trying to explain to you that there is more to governing than just winning the office. Trump won, and due to the groundwork laid by McConnell he gets to shape the judiciary branch, but he never had a mandate or level of support to actually accomplish anything legislatively. Even his sole legislative achievement in 4yrs of being in Office, the 2017 tax cuts, had to be passed with a procedural gimmick to get around the 60 vote threshold.

Enough time under minority rule gets you where we are now: massive unrest among people who perceive their votes to count for less, fanned by Trump's incompetence, and a POTUS who just can't grasp why people dont like him so he keeps making things worse.

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Actually, I'm focused on the point of my post instead of a triggered TDSer attempting to change the discussion.

One again. A national popular votes means absolutely nothing in a presidential election.

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You're off the deep end if you don't think popular mandates are a thing that matters in politics.

You're focused on how to win, which is fine, but I'm trying to explain to you that there is more to governing than just winning the office. Trump won, and due to the groundwork laid by McConnell he gets to shape the judiciary branch, but he never had a mandate or level of support to actually accomplish anything legislatively. Even his sole legislative achievement in 4yrs of being in Office, the 2017 tax cuts, had to be passed with a procedural gimmick to get around the 60 vote threshold.

Enough time under minority rule gets you where we are now: massive unrest among people who perceive their votes to count for less, fanned by Trump's incompetence, and a POTUS who just can't grasp why people dont like him so he keeps making things worse.

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Actually, I'm focused on the point of my post instead of a triggered TDSer attempting to change the discussion.

One again. A national popular votes means absolutely nothing in a presidential election.

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Campaign advisers recently approached West suggesting he run for president since there was a desperate need for a candidate who could string together something resembling a rational thought. After thinking it over and talking with the Kardashians, West decided he would jump at the opportunity to be the only major candidate who uses words in their proper context and order as a normal human being would.
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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Glad you brought up Goebbels. The White House and Trump model their hourly lies with Fox pushing their propaganda in Goebbels style everyday. It's the same basic concept. A malignant narcissist autocrat in power, pushing division and lies to a populace looking for economic prosperity and a people to villify. It worked in 1933 and its working today.

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Please give recent examples and then lets compare to the liberal media the last 3 years.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Glad you brought up Goebbels. The White House and Trump model their hourly lies with Fox pushing their propaganda in Goebbels style everyday. It's the same basic concept. A malignant narcissist autocrat in power, pushing division and lies to a populace looking for economic prosperity and a people to villify. It worked in 1933 and its working today.

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Please give recent examples and then lets compare to the liberal media the last 3 years.

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Trump's reflexive instinct to call any story that can hurt him a "hoax" is a good modern example of repeating something until supporters believe it.

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No one believes this is a Hoax nor does Trump. Maybe at the beginning because all the Democrats and Health officials across the country were saying it wasn't a big deal and people should get outside and go to restaurants and enjoy themselves. Even the WHO said it wasn't even dangerous in January and wouldn't transfer between human to human. You all say he doesn't listen to 'science' - well he did there.

As usual - Democrats blaming the GOP for the very thing they are doing - serial lying.

Trump exaggerates everything but the media are flat out lying and you know it. There are 1000s of examples posted just on this board over the past few years yet for some reason I've never seen any of you call out those lies? Why is that? We call out stupid things Trump does.

Again - we'll wait for his outrageous claim that Fox pushes 'hourly' lies when that is EXACTLY what CNN & MSNBC and others have been doing the last 3 years and you know it.

"You're off the deep end if you don't think popular mandates are a thing that matters in politics."

The problem is who decides what is a 'popular mandate'. The largest portion of popular vote ever recorded in a Presidential Election was 60.7% ... by Richard Nixon in 1972. Would you agree that this means Nixon had the strongest 'popular mandate' to govern with authority?

The problem I see with your apparent assumption, is that you give comprehensive weight to the national aggregate, when in fact it's possible for different regions to be highly partisan and in conflict with other parts of the nation or different states. California and New York have the ability to swamp national tallies, but do not reflect the whole nation.

If we apply a regional logic, Trump's 30-state win in 2016 has more validity than Hillary's aggregate vote tally as a barometer of mandate to govern.

My point is that w can use different yardsticks or measurement, but just because you like one does not make it better.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Glad you brought up Goebbels. The White House and Trump model their hourly lies with Fox pushing their propaganda in Goebbels style everyday. It's the same basic concept. A malignant narcissist autocrat in power, pushing division and lies to a populace looking for economic prosperity and a people to villify. It worked in 1933 and its working today.

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Please give recent examples and then lets compare to the liberal media the last 3 years.

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Trump's reflexive instinct to call any story that can hurt him a "hoax" is a good modern example of repeating something until supporters believe it.

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No one believes this is a Hoax nor does Trump. Maybe at the beginning because all the Democrats and Health officials across the country were saying it wasn't a big deal and people should get outside and go to restaurants and enjoy themselves. Even the WHO said it wasn't even dangerous in January and wouldn't transfer between human to human. You all say he doesn't listen to 'science' - well he did there.

As usual - Democrats blaming the GOP for the very thing they are doing - serial lying.

Trump exaggerates everything but the media are flat out lying and you know it. There are 1000s of examples posted just on this board over the past few years yet for some reason I've never seen any of you call out those lies? Why is that? We call out stupid things Trump does.

Again - we'll wait for his outrageous claim that Fox pushes 'hourly' lies when that is EXACTLY what CNN & MSNBC and others have been doing the last 3 years and you know it.

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Trump called coronavirus a Democrat hoax in February; he listened to Jared's advice too closely and bet against science.

Anyone else find it hilarious that Dems still bring up the popular vote and it's 2020. Supreme Court even had a 9-0 ruling this week that shut down the absurdity of the Dems trying to manipulate the election.

If Trump wins, I can't imagine the excuses that will come out this time.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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So what do those voters like about the Neocons? more foreign wars and foreign intervention depending on what is best for Israel? I would think your average republican voter would want less foreign wars, more jobs created here for Americans, better economy etc. IF you can get Tucker to run in 2024 he would pull all of those moderate republicans and he is who we need.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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So what do those voters like about the Neocons? more foreign wars and foreign intervention depending on what is best for Israel? I would think your average republican voter would want less foreign wars, more jobs created here for Americans, better economy etc. IF you can get Tucker to run in 2024 he would pull all of those moderate republicans and he is who we need.

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They want a President that has some modicum of integrity and knowledge, and doesn't think he is above the country or the Constitution. It's about Trump and the way he operates....or doesn't. It is about Trump's putting himself above country, the inability to believe anything he says or that what he says will be his story tomorrow, that he can do things in secret as he did in his business that may technically be legal, but are certainly not ethical, the constant put down of people with his cute names he comes up with, the continual throwing people he appointed under the bus because they can't cover up things he did or want to do what is right, his complete lack of knowledge of foreign affairs and even geography. The list could go on and on. At a point any policy or economy is just not worth it to put up with someone like this. For many that point was reached long ago.

You don't have to have Trump to get the policies you want. But it is going to be very difficult for the Reps to recover from this person who was never qualified to be President in any way, shape or form from the git-go. Concerning your last statement, I don't even know who this "Tucker" character is, but if he is some TV personality, no thanks. And the economy....Trump blew that up when he sloughed off the virus......and still is doing so.

I get that you think this guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is your right to think so. I am just saying that pushing off moderates and those in the middle is a pathway to losing the election. He is not going to lose his base no matter what. What is the point of these ridiculous string of tweets that have been going on since coming into office that just turn off people that are not part of his base, but are needed to win re-election? Is he that stupid or is it just conceit?

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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The tyranny of the majority is a real thing. The fact that a majority may be stupid is deeply disturbing, but by no means surprising.

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riflebear said:

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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The tyranny of the majority is a real thing. The fact that a majority may be stupid is deeply disturbing, but by no means surprising.

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All the plantation owners would have agreed with you!

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You're off the deep end if you don't think popular mandates are a thing that matters in politics.

You're focused on how to win, which is fine, but I'm trying to explain to you that there is more to governing than just winning the office. Trump won, and due to the groundwork laid by McConnell he gets to shape the judiciary branch, but he never had a mandate or level of support to actually accomplish anything legislatively. Even his sole legislative achievement in 4yrs of being in Office, the 2017 tax cuts, had to be passed with a procedural gimmick to get around the 60 vote threshold.

Enough time under minority rule gets you where we are now: massive unrest among people who perceive their votes to count for less, fanned by Trump's incompetence, and a POTUS who just can't grasp why people dont like him so he keeps making things worse.

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For maybe the 10,000th time, there would be no Trump if the left hadn't gone so far left. Cause and effect. Simple.

Why can't we have a government that basically leaves us alone and focuses on things such as the common defense rather than being up our collective butts about every stinking thing? Minimizing governments' footprint at all levels would be a way to reduce the level of conflict. I live my life, and you live yours. Vive ut vives.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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The tyranny of the majority is a real thing. The fact that a majority may be stupid is deeply disturbing, but by no means surprising.

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All the plantation owners would have agreed with you!

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Are you suggesting the majority determines right from wrong?

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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So what do those voters like about the Neocons? more foreign wars and foreign intervention depending on what is best for Israel? I would think your average republican voter would want less foreign wars, more jobs created here for Americans, better economy etc. IF you can get Tucker to run in 2024 he would pull all of those moderate republicans and he is who we need.

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Right there with you. Agree 100% re the Bush/MCain/Romney version while Trump, the person, drives me crazy though I essentially agree with his platform. Love the message, the messenger... not so much. Lesser of 2 evils, and all that. Would love to see some combination of Carlson, Cotton, Crenshaw, Haley, Tim Scott in 2024.

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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The tyranny of the majority is a real thing. The fact that a majority may be stupid is deeply disturbing, but by no means surprising.

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All the plantation owners would have agreed with you!

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Are you suggesting the majority determines right from wrong?

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I don't know how you get that. I was merely stating that a pithy reference to the "tyranny of the majority" when your beliefs are the ones represented by a minority would have been shared by minority tyrants themselves. You have anything better than electoral college math to justify why it's a good idea for white nationalists in low-population states to have an outsized influence on the leader of the free world?

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Glad you brought up Goebbels. The White House and Trump model their hourly lies with Fox pushing their propaganda in Goebbels style everyday. It's the same basic concept. A malignant narcissist autocrat in power, pushing division and lies to a populace looking for economic prosperity and a people to villify. It worked in 1933 and its working today.

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Please give recent examples and then lets compare to the liberal media the last 3 years.

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Trump's reflexive instinct to call any story that can hurt him a "hoax" is a good modern example of repeating something until supporters believe it.

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No one believes this is a Hoax nor does Trump. Maybe at the beginning because all the Democrats and Health officials across the country were saying it wasn't a big deal and people should get outside and go to restaurants and enjoy themselves. Even the WHO said it wasn't even dangerous in January and wouldn't transfer between human to human. You all say he doesn't listen to 'science' - well he did there.

As usual - Democrats blaming the GOP for the very thing they are doing - serial lying.

Trump exaggerates everything but the media are flat out lying and you know it. There are 1000s of examples posted just on this board over the past few years yet for some reason I've never seen any of you call out those lies? Why is that? We call out stupid things Trump does.

Again - we'll wait for his outrageous claim that Fox pushes 'hourly' lies when that is EXACTLY what CNN & MSNBC and others have been doing the last 3 years and you know it.

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Trump called coronavirus a Democrat hoax in February; he listened to Jared's advice too closely and bet against science.

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No he didn't.

(Here's where that whole "quote taken out of context" comes in.)

" I am just saying that pushing off moderates and those in the middle is a pathway to losing the election. "

Supporting riots, demanding police be defunded while demanding lockdowns which include denying religious their right to go to church while protecting violent protest, those do not seem to me good ways to attract moderates to supporting Democrats.

"Just saying"

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How 'bout you get Trump to stand up to Putin for once in his miserable life.

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Unfortunately Cinque has fallen for this trap being brainwashed by CNN & MSNBC

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Lol tell us again about those all-time high inauguration attendance figures or how Trump actually double secret won the popular vote in 2016.

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a national popular vote is literally irrelevant in elections in this country, time to move on.

Maybe it's time for you to call the DNC again and find out what you're supposed to be mad about today

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There's nothing irrelevant about the national popular vote because it tells us who the people want to see elected to the presidency.

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Wrong. A national popular vote means absolutely nothing. Check the constitution. The only reason you believe that it has any relevancy is because the liberal media tells you so.

If your candidate can't transform his/her "national popularity" into an electoral vote win, that's a problem with your candidate, not the constitution. Maybe they need to learn to campaign better (or at all)

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The inverse of this is that a candidate who wins with a minority of votes has no mandate, and it shouldn't really be all that surprising to see so much resistance to an agenda that the majority of voters do not support. Republicans are good at winning the electoral college lately, but people will only tolerate minority rule quietly for so long, especially with Trump's brand of "domination" politics where he flat out refuses to deal with the opposition and actively demonises everyone except his ass-kissers. Trump took office with the thinnest of margins and a whole bunch of shadiness and acts like he has a strong mandate to enact his agenda, but he doesn't.

Think about how representative SCOTUS is these days, with a good chunk of the life appointed Justices being appointed by Presidents who did not have majority support in elections. That's within the rules of the game, and Republclicans are the beneficiaries so I expect their supporters ro be quite happy with it, but eventually people will notice that they aren't being represented very much or at all, and that predictably causes unrest.

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The tyranny of the majority is a real thing. The fact that a majority may be stupid is deeply disturbing, but by no means surprising.

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All the plantation owners would have agreed with you!

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Are you suggesting the majority determines right from wrong?

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I don't know how you get that. I was merely stating that a pithy reference to the "tyranny of the majority" when your beliefs are the ones represented by a minority would have been shared by minority tyrants themselves. You have anything better than electoral college math to justify why it's a good idea for white nationalists in low-population states to have an outsized influence on the leader of the free world?

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I thought you liberals were for all the equality stuff. Four states account for over 1/3 of the population. So how would that be a good idea to allow a handful of states to ride roughshod over the rest of the country and those natural resources?

Last time I checked, It's the United States of America, not the United People of America. This is a nation comprised of states not citizens.

Every state (yes, also the smaller ones) should carry enough weight to have a say how it's governed.

If the popular vote was used to decide presidential elections..... politicians would legislate without concern and with impunity over the rest of the states that would have little to no voice.

Besides, if states were constantly left out and bullied, they most likely wouldn't want to be part of America. There would be constant civil war from all directions.

But hey, go ahead and peddle that the popular vote is what really matters. We know if the EC favored your beloved racist democrats, your argument would be different.

Judging by your logic, that the minority shouldn't matter, I guess you feel that the 13% of the population that is black shouldn't have much say?

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" I am just saying that pushing off moderates and those in the middle is a pathway to losing the election. "

Supporting riots, demanding police be defunded while demanding lockdowns which include denying religious their right to go to church while protecting violent protest, those do not seem to me good ways to attract moderates to supporting Democrats.

"Just saying"

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I saw no one of legitimacy representing any significant part of their party supporting riots.....protests, yes, riots, no. The police "defunding" is certainly exaggerated, but the Reps have been status quo forever. Dems haven't been any better, but something needs to shake the nest and get the bad characters weeded out and the system that allows them to be employed eliminated.

Both Rep and Dem governors instituted lockdowns. Churches should have on their own accord seen the wisdom in going to online services (most did). I have no problem with churches or any other place where people gather in mass being included in lockdowns to prevent people from being stupid and putting others at risk. Thinking people did not make this thing political. Trump did when he flatly refused to wear a mask at the same press conference where Fauci and others highly recommended doing so to protect those around you. That gave his minions their marching orders and now the virus is spreading rapidly.

We are stuck with a two party system. Both sides believe that if you check their name on the ballot that you agree with their agenda and are providing them a mandate. In reality many of those votes are to send a message to the other side, that they either have gone too far to the extreme or have chosen a candidate which is unfit for the office for any number of reasons. Voting against such a party or a candidate is the only way to keep both parties ultimately in some sort of check, even if limited....until if and when we get a viable third option.....which unfortunately will certainly not be in our lifetimes.

We have lied through both Dem and Rep administrations and will continue to do so in the future, despite the extreme conspiracy theories which populate this forum.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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So what do those voters like about the Neocons? more foreign wars and foreign intervention depending on what is best for Israel? I would think your average republican voter would want less foreign wars, more jobs created here for Americans, better economy etc. IF you can get Tucker to run in 2024 he would pull all of those moderate republicans and he is who we need.

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They want a President that has some modicum of integrity and knowledge, and doesn't think he is above the country or the Constitution. It's about Trump and the way he operates....or doesn't. It is about Trump's putting himself above country, the inability to believe anything he says or that what he says will be his story tomorrow, that he can do things in secret as he did in his business that may technically be legal, but are certainly not ethical, the constant put down of people with his cute names he comes up with, the continual throwing people he appointed under the bus because they can't cover up things he did or want to do what is right, his complete lack of knowledge of foreign affairs and even geography. The list could go on and on. At a point any policy or economy is just not worth it to put up with someone like this. For many that point was reached long ago.

You don't have to have Trump to get the policies you want. But it is going to be very difficult for the Reps to recover from this person who was never qualified to be President in any way, shape or form from the git-go. Concerning your last statement, I don't even know who this "Tucker" character is, but if he is some TV personality, no thanks. And the economy....Trump blew that up when he sloughed off the virus......and still is doing so.

I get that you think this guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is your right to think so. I am just saying that pushing off moderates and those in the middle is a pathway to losing the election. He is not going to lose his base no matter what. What is the point of these ridiculous string of tweets that have been going on since coming into office that just turn off people that are not part of his base, but are needed to win re-election? Is he that stupid or is it just conceit?

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I never said that and I wanted Rand Paul for president but Trump has done a lot of good things especially while having to endure the fake Russia scandal. Plus, I enjoy the lib meltdowns that he induces. I do wish he would not do as many call out tweets and also get rid of Kushner.

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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We can only hope. The Republican party of Bush/McCain/Romney is basically the democrats and needs to be gone forever.

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You may be correct concerning the "Republican" party of Bush......, but in losing the people that prefer that version of the Republican party, what is left....the Trump party or whatever you want to call it, the Republican party, per se, will have lost too many to have its candidate be a winning candidate, without a massive screw-up by the Dems, which is certainly possible. Both parties have demonstrated their ability to do that over and over again. The Reps are doing it now.

The Republican party that you prefer is no where near a majority of voters. Writing off those that prefer the Bush/McCain/Romney version is mathematical suicide. Proven extremes are never going win, either left or right as long as the real majority of the country, those in the middle and not too far left or right of center, are the deciding factors in the elections....and we are no where near that point yet.

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So what do those voters like about the Neocons? more foreign wars and foreign intervention depending on what is best for Israel? I would think your average republican voter would want less foreign wars, more jobs created here for Americans, better economy etc. IF you can get Tucker to run in 2024 he would pull all of those moderate republicans and he is who we need.

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They want a President that has some modicum of integrity and knowledge, and doesn't think he is above the country or the Constitution. It's about Trump and the way he operates....or doesn't. It is about Trump's putting himself above country, the inability to believe anything he says or that what he says will be his story tomorrow, that he can do things in secret as he did in his business that may technically be legal, but are certainly not ethical, the constant put down of people with his cute names he comes up with, the continual throwing people he appointed under the bus because they can't cover up things he did or want to do what is right, his complete lack of knowledge of foreign affairs and even geography. The list could go on and on. At a point any policy or economy is just not worth it to put up with someone like this. For many that point was reached long ago.

You don't have to have Trump to get the policies you want. But it is going to be very difficult for the Reps to recover from this person who was never qualified to be President in any way, shape or form from the git-go. Concerning your last statement, I don't even know who this "Tucker" character is, but if he is some TV personality, no thanks. And the economy....Trump blew that up when he sloughed off the virus......and still is doing so.

I get that you think this guy is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is your right to think so. I am just saying that pushing off moderates and those in the middle is a pathway to losing the election. He is not going to lose his base no matter what. What is the point of these ridiculous string of tweets that have been going on since coming into office that just turn off people that are not part of his base, but are needed to win re-election? Is he that stupid or is it just conceit?

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I never said that and I wanted Rand Paul for president but Trump has done a lot of good things especially while having to endure the fake Russia scandal. Plus, I enjoy the lib meltdowns that he induces. I do wish he would not do as many call out tweets and also get rid of Kushner.

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The problem is that we both know he will do neither of what you suggest. As bad as many here think the country will suffer with a Dem President, I fear more for what we will look like after 4 more years of Trump, especially when after a re-election win, he feels he has a free hand to try anything.

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Eventually?

The explosion of protests in the aftermath of George Floyd's murder is exactly the outcome you accurately predict here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/police-consent-decrees-trump-administration-oversight

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The explosion of protests in the aftermath of George Floyd's murder is exactly the outcome you accurately predict here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/police-consent-decrees-trump-administration-oversight

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I predict no protests about this.

https://www.wivb.com/news/father-killed-in-drive-by-shooting-while-walking-with-6-year-old-daughter-in-new-york/
Father killed in drive-by shooting while walking with 6-year-old daughter in New York

NEW YORK CITY (KRON) Surveillance video shows a man being shot and killed while crossing the street with his 6-year-old daughter in New York.
The video, shared by Rodney Harrison, New York Police Department's chief of detectives, shows the man approaching an intersection in the Bronx on Sunday night.
The man is seen holding his daughter's hand, stopping at the crosswalk, then looking toward a dark sedan slowing down next to them.

Once nearly out of the crosswalk, the man turns his back to the car as he appears to say something to his daughter.
At that point, someone in the car appears to point a gun out the passenger window, firing at the man.
The man's daughter is then seen running down the street apparently unharmed.
"CCTV footage obtained during the investigation shows the victim was with his 6-year-old daughter when a vehicle pulled up next to him opening fire, striking the victim multiple times," Harrison said in the Twitter statement. "The male later died from his injuries."
No suspects have been arrested.

These are the people who would be advising Biden. She thinks the economy prioritizing profit is an inequality and needs to be dismantled. These people are batcrap crazy

Last time I checked she was a Somalia refugee that became a member of Congress and is now saying that system must be torn down. LOL

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Executive Order of minimum 10 years in prison for rioting

Executive Order making BLM, Antifa and Organizing for Action terrorist groups and sentencing Soros to death for treason

Obama and Hillary's heads will be on chopping blocks

Hence, we're fixing to see vote fraud like never before! Being guilty of vote fraud is a much lesser crime than what these scoundrels will face if Trump wins so they'll go for broke with vote fraud

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^^^^^^ QAnon in all its glory. You'll never believe the Earth isn't flat.

Voter fraud is a local phenomenon when it rarely does occur. And lately it has been Republicans who have been guilty of significant fraud, so be careful, the facts indicate that it goes both ways.

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You protest a lot. You seem nervous, TS.

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Yeah, I'm nervous that the Republican Party will not recover after Trump.

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No, you tried that lie several times but it's not sticking.

Maybe you should try something different than the 2016 Clinton playbook.

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Ad hominem attacks again, your standard MO. It's too much for you to comprehend that there are Republicans who don't support Trump.

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You should read your dictionary, I did not make an ';ad hominem attack', the 'Republican Party won't survive Trump' was indeed one of the false tactics employed by the Clinton campaign.

Just like the 'polls say he's too far behind to win'.

Just like the 'Trump thinking about quitting' lie.

The Democrats really are saying the same things, using the same tricks. Too bad for you that you posted some of those.

Seriously, you need new material.