Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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While we are to "judge not" as in belittle, punish, or condemn, we are to use sound judgment as in be discerning, evaluating, and shrewd, and to speak truth in love. I think the last part is where the group got it wrong.

Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

George Truett said:

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Friscobear said:

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George Truett said:

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Friscobear said:

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George Truett said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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Funny that you would type your first paragraph and then talk about nuance.

They did not say that if you are an ally of the movement that you aren't a Christian. They said that you likely aren't a Christian.

You can argue that point if you'd like, and I'm not saying that I agree totally with their statement, but at least don't misrepresent what they actually said.

You know, nuance and all.

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Oh. Big difference.

So you're not certainly going to hell but likely going to hell.

That clears it up!

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You wouldn't call that a nuance?

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Uh, no.

I call that a distinction without a difference.

Nuance is: I believe homosexual practices are sinful, but homosexuals shouldn't be discriminated against. Or I believe people are born gay but should be celibate. Or I believe homosexual practices aren't sinful if the couple is married.

These and many more nuanced positions are out there.

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Nuance: a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.

I'd say it's a textbook example. But you do you and never admit you might be wrong.

Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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While we are to "judge not" as in belittle, punish, or condemn, we are to use sound judgment as in be discerning, evaluating, and shrewd, and to speak truth in love. I think the last part is where the group got it wrong.

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I can agree with that. Twitter is not a place where "speak truth in love" is common.

Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

Crazy to think where we are as a society that a young conservative organization can't exist at Baylor of all places.

So much for diversity of thought.

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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that's an awful twist of logic. did you feel clever typing it?

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Gold Tron said:

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I think it's wrong coming from either side. I'm a conservative Christian (theologically and politically) who very much believes in big-ten Christianity. But, I have to point out that if I had a nickel for each time a liberal (including the great statesman Obama) questioned someone's Christianity for not supporting Obamacare, corporate taxes, "love whomever you please," or illegal immigrants, I'd be quite wealthy . . . .

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Oldbear83 said:

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George Truett said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I guess by that definition, if your doctor warns you that smoking can give you a heart attack, that makes the doctor "hateful" and judgmental of a valid life choice.

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that's an awful twist of logic. did you feel clever typing it?

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It's perfectly valid logic. Sorry if it hurt your feelings,

Doc Holliday said:

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George Truett said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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They went farther than this. They said that if you're an ally of the movement, you aren't a Christian.

I don't find a gay hate clause in John 3:16.

Furthermore, there are many Christ followers who interpret the Bible differently from you on this issue. This doesn't mean they aren't Christians. It just means they have a different interpretation.

There are many different nuances to this issue. These YCT pronouncements are basically ugly and mean-spirited.

This isn't even a core issue in the scriptures. The scriptures talk a lot more about greed, injustice, hypocrisy, hate, and the like.

Basically, the YCT is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Also, because they're young, they probably haven't learned the lesson that if you want a movement to gain sympathy and grow, attack it.

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

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Clear, unambiguous Scripture.

Now watch the phony internet 'ministers' attempt to spin it .

Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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You need help. Scripture should be in your heart, not in your head.

Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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Is the act of fostering a pro homosexual message a sin in itself? Genuinely interested.

Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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You can identify sins without being judgmental of the actor. Having humans decide who (likely) qualifies as a Christian is not part of the scripture you are citing. It is the exact opposite of what Jesus was talking about.

The tweet that said support of homosexual behavior is not consistent with scripture was wrong imho, but I have no problem with it. The tweet that said if you support homosexual behavior you are likely not a Christian was a perfect analogy to those who wanted the adultress stoned. Jesus said to them and he would say to Baylor YCT: that is not your judgment to make.

Username checks out said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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This is my observation. I truly do not understand porn. To me, it is like watching someone eat really good barbeque. Why would I want to watch someone else do something like that? If you need it for motivation, I guess I could understand that but it is just something that has never appealed to me.

Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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You can identify sins without being judgmental of the actor. Having humans decide who (likely) qualifies as a Christian is not part of the scripture you are citing. It is the exact opposite of what Jesus was talking about.

The tweet that said support of homosexual behavior is not consistent with scripture was wrong imho, but I have no problem with it. The tweet that said if you support homosexual behavior you are likely not a Christian was a perfect analogy to those who wanted the adultress stoned. Jesus said to them and he would say to Baylor YCT: that is not your judgment to make.

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You do not get to say that Jesus would have condemned YCT, unless you can find verses in support of homosexual behavior.

You can disagree on the basis of your personal ethics, but not in terms of Christian tradition or doctrine.

Gold Tron said:

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Username checks out said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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This is my observation. I truly do not understand porn. To me, it is like watching someone eat really good barbeque. Why would I want to watch someone else do something like that? If you need it for motivation, I guess I could understand that but it is just something that has never appealed to me.

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Maybe because the end result of porn is orgasm?

Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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Booray said:

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Mothra said:

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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You can identify sins without being judgmental of the actor. Having humans decide who (likely) qualifies as a Christian is not part of the scripture you are citing. It is the exact opposite of what Jesus was talking about.

The tweet that said support of homosexual behavior is not consistent with scripture was wrong imho, but I have no problem with it. The tweet that said if you support homosexual behavior you are likely not a Christian was a perfect analogy to those who wanted the adultress stoned. Jesus said to them and he would say to Baylor YCT: that is not your judgment to make.

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You do not get to say that Jesus would have condemned YCT, unless you can find verses in support of homosexual behavior.

You can disagree on the basis of your personal ethics, but not in terms of Christian tradition or doctrine.

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This is just not that difficult. Jesus condemned those who wanted to stone the adultress, not because adultery was ok but because humans should not be int he business of rendering judgments that belong to God. Same thing here. regardless of whether homosexual behavior is a sin or not a sin, humans (the YCT in this instance) should not be in the business of rendering judgments that belong to God. God alone gets to make that call.

Username checks out said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Username checks out said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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This is my observation. I truly do not understand porn. To me, it is like watching someone eat really good barbeque. Why would I want to watch someone else do something like that? If you need it for motivation, I guess I could understand that but it is just something that has never appealed to me.

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Maybe because the end result of porn is orgasm?

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And God said it was good?

Username checks out said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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There is a difference between not being "the most particularly healthy thing to do" and a sin. "We can agree", or we do agree? I'm assuming you don't have any problems publicly stating a position on its status as a sin or not.

Publicly holding the position that viewing/masturbating to lesbian porn (or any pornography) is a sin is not identical to finding a person to condemn. Same with maintaining that other types of sexual behavior/thoughts are sins; not doing them out of moral principle and publicly not supporting their practice is not the same as looking for a person to condemn.

To be an ally of a particular practice is to endorse the practice.

Username checks out said:

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Gold Tron said:

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Username checks out said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Username checks out said:

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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This is my observation. I truly do not understand porn. To me, it is like watching someone eat really good barbeque. Why would I want to watch someone else do something like that? If you need it for motivation, I guess I could understand that but it is just something that has never appealed to me.

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Maybe because the end result of porn is orgasm?

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I have a wife. I would rather turn to her than someone else on a screen. I feel sorry for those that don't have that kind of relationship with their spouse.

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I think it's wrong coming from either side. I'm a conservative Christian (theologically and politically) who very much believes in big-ten Christianity. But, I have to point out that if I had a nickel for each time a liberal (including the great statesman Obama) questioned someone's Christianity for not supporting Obamacare, corporate taxes, "love whomever you please," or illegal immigrants, I'd be quite wealthy . . . .

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Do you mind showing your receipt for your wealth? I think if I had a nickel for everytime Obama did that, I would not have a nickel. I do not recall Obama ever questioning anyone's Christianity especially because they disagreed with him.

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You know that all these fundies citing cherry picked scriptures without context or textual criticism are all wanking to lesbos when the doors are closed.

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Genuinely curious: are you an ally (not just tolerance, but support and praise of a behavior/lifestyle) of people who masturbate to lesbian porn, or do you believe that activity is a sin?

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I don't think indulging in pornography is the most particularly healthy thing to do. Sure, we can agree it is sin, but I'm not going to go condemning people when I have my own **** to deal with. And that's really the point here, the fundies that are finding every which way to point out people's sexual sins are most often dealing with their own. They find these verses like in Corinthians that get them feeling awesomely high and spiritual while completely ignoring Matthew 7.

So again I'll ask the fundies in this thread, when was the last time you wanked it to lesbian porn?

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To be an ally of a particular practice is to endorse the practice.

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This is where I'm getting at and not getting an answer.

Would allowing pro homosexual messages at your institution be a sin?

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Surely nothing will happen officially since their stance is in line with the university's core beliefs.

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Not sure about that. It's one thing to say these practices are sinful. It's another to say that if you are sympathetic to such people you're going to hell.

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I think it's wrong coming from either side. I'm a conservative Christian (theologically and politically) who very much believes in big-ten Christianity. But, I have to point out that if I had a nickel for each time a liberal (including the great statesman Obama) questioned someone's Christianity for not supporting Obamacare, corporate taxes, "love whomever you please," or illegal immigrants, I'd be quite wealthy . . . .

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Do you mind showing your receipt for your wealth? I think if I had a nickel for everytime Obama did that, I would not have a nickel. I do not recall Obama ever questioning anyone's Christianity especially because they disagreed with him.

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I'll try to dig some examples up later, but I've heard him question conservative Christians and their positions a number of times. Of course Obama was so smooth (i.e., passive aggressive) he could walk through rain without getting wet . . . but his point was always clear.

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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You can identify sins without being judgmental of the actor. Having humans decide who (likely) qualifies as a Christian is not part of the scripture you are citing. It is the exact opposite of what Jesus was talking about.

The tweet that said support of homosexual behavior is not consistent with scripture was wrong imho, but I have no problem with it. The tweet that said if you support homosexual behavior you are likely not a Christian was a perfect analogy to those who wanted the adultress stoned. Jesus said to them and he would say to Baylor YCT: that is not your judgment to make.

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You do not get to say that Jesus would have condemned YCT, unless you can find verses in support of homosexual behavior.

You can disagree on the basis of your personal ethics, but not in terms of Christian tradition or doctrine.

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This is just not that difficult. Jesus condemned those who wanted to stone the adultress, not because adultery was ok but because humans should not be int he business of rendering judgments that belong to God. Same thing here. regardless of whether homosexual behavior is a sin or not a sin, humans (the YCT in this instance) should not be in the business of rendering judgments that belong to God. God alone gets to make that call.

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I think there may be a little bit of a difference between an angry mob about to kill a person versus a tweet pointing out that an action could be sinful.

I don't have time to research, but I do seem to recall a sermon that the Bible does say that Christians should hold Christians accountable. (There's that nuance again!)

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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Baylor YCT claimed that others they disagree with about the perceived sin of homosexuality are probably not Christian. Given that we are all sinners, I find that line of thinking dumb and offensive. I assume that we all agree that you can be wrong on the issue and still be a Christian? (Not that I agree with the underlying premise of the YCT argument either).

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I agree the statement was a little over the top, though it does find some support in scripture.

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I am going to stick with the "Judge not" principle. Baylor YCT should also.

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You will just ignore that part where Jesus, repeatedly, said "sin no more", I see.

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No, I am not. I will try to sin no more. I will fail.

Why would you think that trying to be not judgmental is ignoring sin?

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Because the story where Jesus speaks on not judging (the woman caught in adultery), also includes Jesus' specific command to 'sin no more'.

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Saying we should not be judgmental is not the same as saying we should ignore sin in in our own lives. I said we should not be judgmental; your inference makes no sense.

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Clearly identifying what behaviors are or are not Christian is not 'being judgmental' of the person. It clarifies the decision.

And to be very clear, it's not 'my inference', it's the specific words of Christ with the meaning pretty indisputable.

I have struggled with some scriptures, especially when Scripture says things I do not understand or would prefer said something different. But I will not condemn someone for accurately quoting Scripture.

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You can identify sins without being judgmental of the actor. Having humans decide who (likely) qualifies as a Christian is not part of the scripture you are citing. It is the exact opposite of what Jesus was talking about.

The tweet that said support of homosexual behavior is not consistent with scripture was wrong imho, but I have no problem with it. The tweet that said if you support homosexual behavior you are likely not a Christian was a perfect analogy to those who wanted the adultress stoned. Jesus said to them and he would say to Baylor YCT: that is not your judgment to make.

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You do not get to say that Jesus would have condemned YCT, unless you can find verses in support of homosexual behavior.

You can disagree on the basis of your personal ethics, but not in terms of Christian tradition or doctrine.

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This is just not that difficult. Jesus condemned those who wanted to stone the adultress, not because adultery was ok but because humans should not be int he business of rendering judgments that belong to God. Same thing here. regardless of whether homosexual behavior is a sin or not a sin, humans (the YCT in this instance) should not be in the business of rendering judgments that belong to God. God alone gets to make that call.

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I think there may be a little bit of a difference between an angry mob about to kill a person versus a tweet pointing out that an action could be sinful.

I don't have time to research, but I do seem to recall a sermon that the Bible does say that Christians should hold Christians accountable. (There's that nuance again!)

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My recollection is that accountability is an intra-chruch matter that should be done gently and quietly. Don't think the YCT tweet fits the bill.

There are plenty of instances in which we are told not to judge, accumulated here:

https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-1.htm

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So saying something as obvious as Scripture condemns homosexuality is now controversial and off-limits at a Christian University? It requires a review by Baylor?

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yep.

Instead of focusing on attracting the 50% of American students with conservative and religious leanings who will pay 4 times the price of a ut-austin so they don't have to deal with liberal harassment....Baylor wants to go "woke" and chase the secular post religion demographic.

Baylor Bold indeed.

EDIT: Sicem doesn't recognize Greek text.

But the notion that a document that has been translated and retranslated as many times as the Bible has is clear, unambiguous and closed to alternative interpretation is an odd one to me.

Our first step towards becoming TCU.

Its not anti-Christian for Baylor to say it wants its student organizations to exhibit a charitable spirit.

Would allowing pro homosexual messages to be promoted at your institution be a sin?

Such as "it's ok to have gay sex".