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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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You can make the point about who they are, and search for ideological unorthodoxy.

Or, you can listen to their message. I think I'll go with their stated point, as it is also their message. Free trade? Capitalism? I am OK with that.

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Of course I understand why you would go with their stated point, instead of digging deeper. You' aren't a conservative or Republican.

That said, if we want to go by their statements, each of them has renounced their Republican card, claim it is not even reformable, and some have registered Democrat. That's enough for me.

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No true Scotsman. OK.

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But again, I get it: that destroys the narrative.

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Destroying Trump's narrative hold on the GOP is exactly the point.

Free trade used to be a GOP standard: tariffs and trade wars, not so much.

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Seems you're focused on that issue to the exclusion of all others. Odd.

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So you missed this post above?

Taxes were reduced for many, not all, and they aren't low enough. We blew our once a generation shot at real tax reform.
The wall is nothing like what he promised. Mexico isn't paying for it, very little new fencing is up, and it is having far less effect than Rona and economics.
Rhetoric? Even that is interventionist. And there are the actual acts.
Gorsuch was a keeper, still not sure about Kavanaugh.
The tariffs have cost us money, jobs, and markets. What trade deals do you think are better?
Proudly and openly nationalistic; there's a difference.

Spending? Maybe if Biden gets elected we can get the ol' GOP deficit hawks back.
Smaller govt? Executive creep on Congressional turf has gotten worse. Again, with a Dem in the WH I bet the GOP rediscovers the virtue of limited govt.

The GOP I remember, and belonged to, was much better focused on budgets and state power.

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Saw that. Not sure what it has to do with my point, which is that the guys heading the Lincoln Project aren't conservative by any stretch.

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What specifically is "Trumpism?" Can anyone specifically define it?

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Cult of personality.

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Trumpism:

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Cult of Bidenism

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Reminds me of zombies

Seriously too

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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Jack and DP said:

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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quash said:

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Jack and DP said:

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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I gave you the Lincoln Project web site in addition to Wikipedia. Cite your sources and I'll read them.

TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Jack and DP said:

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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You can make the point about who they are, and search for ideological unorthodoxy.

Or, you can listen to their message. I think I'll go with their stated point, as it is also their message. Free trade? Capitalism? I am OK with that.

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Of course I understand why you would go with their stated point, instead of digging deeper. You' aren't a conservative or Republican.

That said, if we want to go by their statements, each of them has renounced their Republican card, claim it is not even reformable, and some have registered Democrat. That's enough for me.

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No true Scotsman. OK.

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I don't see anyone requiring ideological conformity. However, I would think agreeing with Republicans on most major issues and actually calling yourself Republican instead of Democrat would be a litmus test of some sort.

But again, I get it: that destroys the narrative.

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They don't call themselve Democrats. That's your imaginend narrative.

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To be fair a lot of liberals don't call themselves democrats. They try to pass themselves off as Republicans or conservatives. This board is evidence of that, right mr. sciency scientist?

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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quash said:

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Jack and DP said:

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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I gave you the Lincoln Project web site in addition to Wikipedia. Cite your sources and I'll read them.

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Dig deeper. pretty sure all 3 are no longer Republicans. Schmidt and Wilson for sure.

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mothra said:

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quash said:

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Jack and DP said:

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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I gave you the Lincoln Project web site in addition to Wikipedia. Cite your sources and I'll read them.

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No, I am not going to do your research for you. A simple google search will lead you to the information I provided. Most of it is from their own mouths.

I must warn you: be prepared for your narrative to be debunked.

I like Marsha. Shes very intelligent and not hard to watch when she talks.

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Jinx?

Rick Wilson gets owned by...a cartoon!

I just hope they take all the Trump Lemmings and replace them with real, conservative Republicans and not a bunch of vaginas , scared for their jobs to the point where they have no spine. (Reagan Republicans) Romney is the only one with a spine. Those SOB's deserve everything they get. I'm looking at you Lindsey Graham, Teddy Cruz et. al. Unfortunately, Trump will not only lose in November, he single handedly hand the Senate back to the Dems.

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I just hope they take all the Trump Lemmings and replace them with real, conservative Republicans and not a bunch of vaginas , scared for their jobs to the point where they have no spine. (Reagan Republicans) Romney is the only one with a spine. Those SOB's deserve everything they get. I'm looking at you Lindsey Graham, Teddy Cruz et. al. Unfortunately, Trump will not only lose in November, he single handedly hand the Senate back to the Dems.

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....and probably for a very long time. Trump will be the Hoover of this century.

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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Each Wiki article is followed by extensive citations outside of the Wiki domain. So far his research checks out.

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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I gave you the Lincoln Project web site in addition to Wikipedia. Cite your sources and I'll read them.

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No he can't because he knows you're right.

^^^ Racist!

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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I think YOU miss the point. Look at the background of the people who comprise the Lincoln Project. They may have once called themselves Republican or worked for republicans but their politics are anything but. Many of them leaned Democrat or voted democrat BEFORE Trump. This isn't an attempt by conservatives to rid the world of "Trumpism," whatever the **** that is.

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First, you don't know how they've voted. Second, Trump has probably voted for more Democrats than Republicans. Third Trump isn't a conservative.

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Actually, I do know how a lot of them voted and who they supported. I would suggest doing some research on their political positions and support of past candidates instead of making incorrect assumptions. Here's just a few examples: Steve Schmidt, who was the campaign manager in the re-election campaign for Arnold Schwarznegger, one of the Lincoln Project founders, is pro-gay and transexual "equality," pro-amnesty or path to citizenship, pro-Palestinian, and has changed his party allegiance to the Democrats. John Weaver, another founding member, has been a vocal critic of some of the GOP's more conservative elements, calling the GOP "the angry-white-man party" in 2013, and for years has worked as a consultant for Democrat and independent candidates. Rick Wilson claims he's not a Republican in any political sense.

Look, I know it helps your narrative to claim these are Republicans rejecting Trump. It's simply not accurate (though politically opportunistic).

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You're not quite right.

Stephen Edward Schmidt[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-2][2][/url] (born September 28, 1970)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-3][3][/url] is an American communications and public affairs strategist who has worked on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain. He is best known for pushing McCain to select Sarah Palin as his running mate. He specialized in "message development and strategy".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-Cillizza-4][4][/url]

Schmidt was the senior campaign strategist and advisor to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-5][5][/url] He was a Vice Chair at the public relations firm Edelman[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-6][6][/url] until he stepped down in July 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt#cite_note-7][7][/url]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

Schmidt is the one who pushed for Sarah Palin to be added to the McCain ticket. He calls himself an Independent since 2018 becuase of Trump.

John Weaver - Stronger credentials as a Republican than Trump. His work goes all the way back to working for Phil Gramm, Tom Loeffler, Bill Clements, Executive Director of the RPT. Worked for Huntsman, and Kasich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)

Post-2016[edit]

In 2019, Weaver and fellow Republican operatives George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, and Rick Wilson wrote an op-ed published in the New York Times, calling for Donald Trump to be defeated in the 2020 presidential election. The four wrote, "The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url] He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weaver_(political_consultant)#cite_note-LincolnProject-13][13][/url]

Rick Wilson - Has a long history as a Republican campaign consultant and political operative, in presidential and state campaigns. He served in the Bush administration as an appointee in the Dept. of Defense.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wilson_(political_consultant)

He serves as an advisor to The Lincoln Project, a Super PAC organized by current and former Republican operatives opposed and working to prevent to the re-election of Donald Trump in 2020.

All three are described as Republicans on the Lincoln Project team biographies.
https://lincolnproject.us/team/

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I am exactly right. You need to do your research. Wikipedia ain't gonna cut it. Read their interviews.

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The Lincoln project website bios are not Wikipedia.

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Your have several wikipedia links in your article. Regardless, you need to look them up, and not read a self-serving statement on their website touting their credentials.

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I gave you the Lincoln Project web site in addition to Wikipedia. Cite your sources and I'll read them.

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No he can't because he knows you're right.

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Self serving statements on their page don't make them conservative my friend. Have you googled them? I suspect not.

Everything I said was accurate. I don't have the time or inclination to do your homework. But rest assured - each of them has claimed to leave the Republican Party and have claimed it's unreformable. They are actively supporting democrat candidates - and not just Biden, but even Susan Collins' democrat challenger. Might want to ask yourself why they would be going after a moderate senator who has been quite critical of Trump, and now claim to be Democrats. For someone who wants to take them at their word, you and TexasScientist sure don't seem to want to listen to what they're saying.

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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For someone who wants to take them at their word, you and TexasScientist sure don't seem to want to listen to what they're saying.

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They are saying that Trumpism has derailed the GOP from its traditional aims. They want Trump and his enablers excised from the party.

You and the Lincoln Project are engaged in essentially the same No True Scotsman debate.

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You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.

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For someone who wants to take them at their word, you and TexasScientist sure don't seem to want to listen to what they're saying.

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They are saying that Trumpism has derailed the GOP from its traditional aims. They want Trump and his enablers excised from the party.

You and the Lincoln Project are engaged in essentially the same No True Scotsman debate.

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I agree they're arguing a No True Scotsman position. Problem is, they're not advocating traditional Republican positions, but have instead embraced the position of the Democrat platform on a number of issues.

Wolves in sheep clothing.

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This.

Telling that the only Sicem365 members supporting this group are Progressives and fake Republicans; in other words, other prospective members of their club

Co-founder of Lincoln project worked for Russia?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/lobbying-against-russia-sanctions-weaver-kasich-1327880

The corruption is astounding

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The corruption is astounding

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Indeed.

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The corruption is astounding

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Indeed.

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We really need to clean house, 100%

No. What gave it away? But I did own and operate a small business for 29 years, selling it at age 63 and retiring. That makes me a capitalist, probably more so than most of the frequent posters on this forum.

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No. What gave it away? But I did own and operate a small business for 29 years, selling it at age 63 and retiring. That makes me a capitalist, probably more so than most of the frequent posters on this forum.

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Just pointing out your obvious bias. Like most of the posters praising the Lincoln Project, your support has nothing at all to do with altruistic motives regarding the Republican Party or conservatives. Instead, the Lincoln Project morons are just another convenient group to use to get rid of Trump.

BTW, if you're voting for Biden this election, you're voting against capitalism, just FYI.

Joe Biden is a Trojan horse for socialist America.

All it takes is full Dem power to ramp up taxes and unnecessary regulations while continuing to sell out to China.