...is personally handling Russian attempts to discredit Joe Biden. Republicans shrug:

WASHINGTON The CIA assessed in late August that Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials are "probably" directing a Russian operation to intervene in the election by discrediting Joe Biden, current and former intelligence officials told NBC News.
The assessment was first reported by Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin.

Two of the officials said the CIA assessment analyzed the activities of Andreii Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker who has provided information to the president's attorney, Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani has said he "interviewed" Derkach three times.
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According to Rogin's report, the first line of the classified document is: "We assess that President Vladimir Putin and the senior-most Russian officials are aware of and probably directing Russia's influence operations aimed at denigrating the former U.S. Vice President, supporting the U.S. president and fueling public discord ahead of the U.S. election in November."
A U.S. official familiar with the matter did not dispute that language. Two officials said the assessment was contained in a CIA document that is widely distributed in different versions around the government.
Some versions of the assessment reflected what U.S. government officials have already said publicly, with the exception of the finding that Putin was directing the operation, which private experts have long said is likely. The CIA assessed that Putin directed the 2016 operation to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump

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Joe Biden does a decent job of discrediting Joe Biden. Russia would be wasting effort. Not to mention, if I were Putin I'd prefer Joe Biden to be president.

There won't be a teleprompter if hard decisions need to be made and the buck can't stop at a committee of handlers.

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Cool, so reports of Russian interference on behalf of Trump don't bother you because it helps your tribe. Got it

Yay for Russian meddling! Boo for China meddling! Are we yaying or booing the Iranian meddling? Hard to keep track...

There was this hot sounding chick that called and she said she hoped I was voting Trump... she did have a bit of an accent

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Yay for Russian meddling! Boo for China meddling! Are we yaying or booing the Iranian meddling? Hard to keep track...

There was this hot sounding chick that called and she said she hoped I was voting Trump... she did have a bit of an accent

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Was it that hot red head Russian spy, Anna Chapman?

When Trump loses, will y'all start acknowledging the existence of Putin again?

Carlos Safety said:

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cinque said:

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When Trump loses, will y'all start acknowledging the existence of Putin again?

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Putin exists. No one denies that. You are screwball. Not many deny that.

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Did you know he and Trump met in Helsinki?

Carlos Safety said:

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Gruvin said:

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Yay for Russian meddling! Boo for China meddling! Are we yaying or booing the Iranian meddling? Hard to keep track...

There was this hot sounding chick that called and she said she hoped I was voting Trump... she did have a bit of an accent

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Was it that hot red head Russian spy, Anna Chapman?

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You know the rules here

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Russians were helping Democrats for decades and we never heard a peep. All of a sudden the Russians flip the script and start helping republicans and the democrats are all of a sudden concerned about Russian meddling. Interesting.

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I didn't know Russians helped Democrats for decades which is why you didn't hear a peep from me. You have any facts behind that echo chamber opinion?

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contrario said:

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Russians were helping Democrats for decades and we never heard a peep. All of a sudden the Russians flip the script and start helping republicans and the democrats are all of a sudden concerned about Russian meddling. Interesting.

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I didn't know Russians helped Democrats for decades which is why you didn't hear a peep from me. You have any facts behind that echo chamber opinion?

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Depends upon how you define "help". There's some smoke around Ted Kennedy in the 80's of a somewhat direct nature, but these things never happen in a manner of obvious comport. But Russians intend to help Russia, so they'll play the entire spectrum.

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You know what the Russians most effective way of meddling in our elections has been? Getting us to believe that they're meddling so much in our elections. That's the master work of disinformation campaigns. Create the inference of mistrust so that the perception becomes reality. Congratulations to the many who've willingly carried the water for the charade.

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So in a way, our own CIA is a Russian asset. Got it.

cinque said:

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...is personally handling Russian attempts to discredit Joe Biden. Republicans shrug:

WASHINGTON The CIA assessed in late August that Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials are "probably" directing a Russian operation to intervene in the election by discrediting Joe Biden, current and former intelligence officials told NBC News.
The assessment was first reported by Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin.

Two of the officials said the CIA assessment analyzed the activities of Andreii Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker who has provided information to the president's attorney, Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani has said he "interviewed" Derkach three times.
[url=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dhs-has-delayed-intel-report-foreign-powers-trying-raise-doubts-n1239067?icid=related][/url]
[url=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dhs-has-delayed-intel-report-foreign-powers-trying-raise-doubts-n1239067][/url]DHS delayed intel report on foreign powers trying to raise doubts about Biden, Trump health

According to Rogin's report, the first line of the classified document is: "We assess that President Vladimir Putin and the senior-most Russian officials are aware of and probably directing Russia's influence operations aimed at denigrating the former U.S. Vice President, supporting the U.S. president and fueling public discord ahead of the U.S. election in November."
A U.S. official familiar with the matter did not dispute that language. Two officials said the assessment was contained in a CIA document that is widely distributed in different versions around the government.
Some versions of the assessment reflected what U.S. government officials have already said publicly, with the exception of the finding that Putin was directing the operation, which private experts have long said is likely. The CIA assessed that Putin directed the 2016 operation to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump

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Putin definitely has something on Trump.

Can't think of anything else that can explain his behavior. He won't even confront him about paying bounties on our soldiers.

cinque said:

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When Trump loses, will y'all start acknowledging the existence of Putin again?

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Actually, they've always admired Putin.

Yeah, if only there was some hard fact that showed the allegation to be more than just a rumor, like for example if Trump's campaign manager had been meeting with someone he knew to be a Russian spy so they could talk campaign strategies while Russia hacked Democrats to support Trump, or perhaps if Trump's son had accepted an explicit offer of assistance from the Russian government...

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Ski8103 said:

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Joe Biden does a decent job of discrediting Joe Biden. Russia would be wasting effort. Not to mention, if I were Putin I'd prefer Joe Biden to be president.

There won't be a teleprompter if hard decisions need to be made and the buck can't stop at a committee of handlers.

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Cool, so reports of Russian interference on behalf of Trump don't bother you because it helps your tribe. Got it

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OK cinque

So just to be clear, do you deny that those things the parties admitted to happened? Does ignoring the available evidence so you can call other people suckers make you feel superior somehow? Because from where I'm sitting it just makes you look dumb.

Stick your head in the sand if you wish, but those things (and a whole lot more) happened, and no amount of your wishful thinking will make it go away.

HuMcK said:

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So just to be clear, do you deny that those things the parties admitted to happened? Does ignoring the available evidence so you can call other people suckers make you feel superior somehow? Because from where I'm sitting it just makes you look dumb.

Stick your head in the sand if you wish, but those things (and a whole lot more) happened, and no amount of your wishful thinking will make it go away.

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We spied on American citizens based upon dubious information originating from Russian sources, and you're focused on the candidate you don't like using inferences of purpose that never materialized or proved to have any impact.

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HuMcK said:

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So just to be clear, do you deny that those things the parties admitted to happened? Does ignoring the available evidence so you can call other people suckers make you feel superior somehow? Because from where I'm sitting it just makes you look dumb.

Stick your head in the sand if you wish, but those things (and a whole lot more) happened, and no amount of your wishful thinking will make it go away.

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We spied on American citizens based upon dubious information originating from Russian sources, and you're focused on the candidate you don't like using inferences of purpose that never materialized or proved to have any impact.

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Did they happen or not? I'm tired of you not acknowledging known events to then pretend like they didn't happen.

1 American citizen, Carter Page, was surveilled after he left the Trump campaign and immediately went to Moscow, with inital warrants that even that a thorough review agreed were sound and valid. So you don't even know basic facts about the case you have such passionate opinions over.

I didn't make any inferences actually (apparently you may have made some unconscious ones...), I just recited two objective accounts of things that happened. What is your innocent explanation for Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian spy to talk campaign strategy?

Again, tell yourself whatever you need to keep supporting such a deeply corrupt POTUS, but understand that you are deluding yourself to live in an alternate reality. "Alternative facts", if you will.

cinque said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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cinque said:

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When Trump loses, will y'all start acknowledging the existence of Putin again?

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Putin exists. No one denies that. You are screwball. Not many deny that.

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Did you know he and Trump met in Helsinki?

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I am shocked that Trump met with another head of state.

Did you know he's also met with Xi on a number of occasions? Chinese collusion!

HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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So just to be clear, do you deny that those things the parties admitted to happened? Does ignoring the available evidence so you can call other people suckers make you feel superior somehow? Because from where I'm sitting it just makes you look dumb.

Stick your head in the sand if you wish, but those things (and a whole lot more) happened, and no amount of your wishful thinking will make it go away.

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We spied on American citizens based upon dubious information originating from Russian sources, and you're focused on the candidate you don't like using inferences of purpose that never materialized or proved to have any impact.

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Did they happen or not? I'm tired of you not acknowledging known events to then pretend like they didn't happen.

1 American citizen, Carter Page, was surveilled after he left the Trump campaign and immediately went to Moscow, with inital warrants that even that a thorough review agreed were sound and valid. So you don't even know basic facts about the case you have such passionate opinions over.

I didn't make any inferences actually (apparently you may have made some unconscious ones...), I just recited two objective accounts of things that happened. What is your innocent explanation for Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian spy to talk campaign strategy?

Again, tell yourself whatever you need to keep supporting such a deeply corrupt POTUS, but understand that you are deluding yourself to live in an alternate reality. "Alternative facts", if you will.

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well... we went from a corrupt potus to a corrupt potus to a "deeply" corrupt potus and will be voting on which of the two corrupt people will lead our country in 2021...

Polls show that everyone knows there is media bias, people have been hearing the Dems shout about everything under the sun for the last four years and now they are desensitized to it.

Economy and jobs are big priority right now for voters and polls showing they like Trumps ability to handle economy better.

ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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ATL Bear said:

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HuMcK said:

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So just to be clear, do you deny that those things the parties admitted to happened? Does ignoring the available evidence so you can call other people suckers make you feel superior somehow? Because from where I'm sitting it just makes you look dumb.

Stick your head in the sand if you wish, but those things (and a whole lot more) happened, and no amount of your wishful thinking will make it go away.

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We spied on American citizens based upon dubious information originating from Russian sources, and you're focused on the candidate you don't like using inferences of purpose that never materialized or proved to have any impact.

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Did they happen or not? I'm tired of you not acknowledging known events to then pretend like they didn't happen.

1 American citizen, Carter Page, was surveilled after he left the Trump campaign and immediately went to Moscow, with inital warrants that even that a thorough review agreed were sound and valid. So you don't even know basic facts about the case you have such passionate opinions over.

I didn't make any inferences actually (apparently you may have made some unconscious ones...), I just recited two objective accounts of things that happened. What is your innocent explanation for Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian spy to talk campaign strategy?

Again, tell yourself whatever you need to keep supporting such a deeply corrupt POTUS, but understand that you are deluding yourself to live in an alternate reality. "Alternative facts", if you will
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Alternative facts? What has harmed the US more? The meeting or the mistrust built up around around the story? You are one of the willing stooges pushing disinformation that continually surrounds
it. We instigated an impeachment of a sitting President from Russian sources dubious intel. The Russians don't care about Trump. They care about discord. We've used these same tactics for decades to help disrupt governments from South and Central America to Africa to Asia. You've made the argument that Trump is a Russian asset. Who is living in an alternate reality? You are consumed with hate are are willing to draw the most insane conclusions based upon the slightest of inferences. That's what makes you a stooge.

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what Alt Bear is describing is called a color revolution... we have been doing it for years in foreign countries, are you Surprised that other countries are attempting to do it here? Norm Esien and Mark McFaul both worked for Obama and are well versed in these techniques(see their books) Mcfaul was O's ambassador to Russia...

Trump has caused more disunity in America than any POTUS since Andrew Johnson, y'all complain about the symptoms of it and blame the other side constantly, while calling for civil war or the breakup of the US. Most of the destruction has been for the simple purpose of covering his own ass from any accountability. It's why Russia supported him so openly and continues to do so, he doesn't even have to be an agent because his fundamental character flaws are already so beneficial to our enemies. Trump's own IC agrees that's it's happening and says so every chance they get, not my fault you can't accept it.

HuMcK said:

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Trump has caused more disunity in America than any POTUS since Andrew Johnson, y'all complain about the symptoms of it and blame the other side constantly, while calling for civil war or the breakup of the US. Most of the destruction has been for the simple purpose of covering his own ass from any accountability. It's why Russia supported him so openly and continues to do so, he doesn't even have to be an agent because his fundamental character flaws are already so beneficial to our enemies. Trump's own IC agrees that's it's happening and says so every chance they get, not my fault you can't accept it.

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What you can't except is that you're part of it. And that's what makes it so easy for the foreign intel services.

There is something going on with Putin visa vis Trump. I don't know what it is, but Trumps behavior relative to Russia does not pass the smell test. I know the Trump org has largely been funded by Russians because American Banks won't lend him money because he is a huge credit risk. The Russians very likely have something on the Trumps.

J.R. said:

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There is something going on with Putin visa vis Trump. I don't know what it is, but Trumps behavior relative to Russia does not pass the smell test. I know the Trump org has largely been funded by Russians because American Banks won't lend him money because he is a huge credit risk. The Russians very likely have something on the Trumps.

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The logical flow of these four sentences is simply unassailable.

HuMcK said:

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Trump has caused more disunity in America than any POTUS since Andrew Johnson, y'all complain about the symptoms of it and blame the other side constantly, while calling for civil war or the breakup of the US. Most of the destruction has been for the simple purpose of covering his own ass from any accountability. It's why Russia supported him so openly and continues to do so, he doesn't even have to be an agent because his fundamental character flaws are already so beneficial to our enemies. Trump's own IC agrees that's it's happening and says so every chance they get, not my fault you can't accept it.

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That's diarrhea of the mouth. How is it that liberals continue to break our people into smaller and smaller categories divided by race, gender, education, socio economic, etc. and its the president's fault there's not unity? Eventually that kind of tribalism eats its own!