Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
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The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
NO YOU NUTCASE. Let that occur after the debate is over. When you were a member of your high school debate team did you have a referee calling balls and strikes. I didn't think so. It's up to the opposition to point out the truth as they perceive it to be. You cannot have a very short hour and half debate stopped by some buzzer to check facts. Of course that is what they want to do because they know Trump will romp and stomp all over Biden and Biden will stutter and stammer his way through some kind of weird incomprehensible answer. Fact checking would become the focus of the debate rather than the candidates.settegast said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mr. Vice President. Your claim just now of 200 million Americans have died of Covid-19, is slightly off. Would you care to revisit this claim? We don't have 200,000 more minutes in this debate, so please give us your answer in a timely manner."
You didn't answer the question. Would you like to see real time fact checking
Malbec said:And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
So that reflects which party is worried about losing votes to the LP. You had it wrong.
As to the filing fees. That was a law passed by the Too Party to pay for primaries. Both the Greens and the LP use conventions. Not primaries. See a problem?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
No, I don't see a problem. I am not talking about a vote drain in a state where the outcome is not in any reasonable doubt. The lawsuits do not affect presidential ballot access in Texas, which has been certified for both the Libertarian Party and the Green Party since December, 2019.quash said:Malbec said:And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
So that reflects which party is worried about losing votes to the LP. You had it wrong.
As to the filing fees. That was a law passed by the Too Party to pay for primaries. Both the Greens and the LP use conventions. Not primaries. See a problem?
Would depend on who is doing the fact-checking....settegast said:
How many would agree that the debate be fact checked in real time? This would give the candidates time to correct if they misspoke and voters the opportunity to hear/see the truth otherwise.
Thoughts?
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The vote drain, as you call it, is not specific to Texas: LP candidates hurt Republicans more than they do Democrats.Malbec said:No, I don't see a problem. I am not talking about a vote drain in a state where the outcome is not in any reasonable doubt. The lawsuits do not affect presidential ballot access in Texas, which has been certified for both the Libertarian Party and the Green Party since December, 2019.quash said:Malbec said:And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
So that reflects which party is worried about losing votes to the LP. You had it wrong.
As to the filing fees. That was a law passed by the Too Party to pay for primaries. Both the Greens and the LP use conventions. Not primaries. See a problem?
And you have no problem with a user fee on people who don't use the service? Why in the world not?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
You mean like a venue tax on hotels and car rentals for people who don't use the venues? What world have you been living in? Every governmental authority uses fees and taxes paid by those who never use the services they fund. Perhaps if minor parties took advantage of the primary system, they would generate far more interest in their parties. If they have to pay the fee (and it has been upheld), use the benefits that the fee provides.quash said:The vote drain, as you call it, is not specific to Texas: LP candidates hurt Republicans more than they do Democrats.Malbec said:No, I don't see a problem. I am not talking about a vote drain in a state where the outcome is not in any reasonable doubt. The lawsuits do not affect presidential ballot access in Texas, which has been certified for both the Libertarian Party and the Green Party since December, 2019.quash said:Malbec said:And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
So that reflects which party is worried about losing votes to the LP. You had it wrong.
As to the filing fees. That was a law passed by the Too Party to pay for primaries. Both the Greens and the LP use conventions. Not primaries. See a problem?
And you have no problem with a user fee on people who don't use the service? Why in the world not?
fadskier said:Would depend on who is doing the fact-checking....settegast said:
How many would agree that the debate be fact checked in real time? This would give the candidates time to correct if they misspoke and voters the opportunity to hear/see the truth otherwise.
Thoughts?
Which is exactly why it's a terrible idea and should never happen in real time. There's plenty of time to do it after the debate(s) when whomever the "fact checker" is can also be fact checked.
Malbec said:You mean like a venue tax on hotels and car rentals for people who don't use the venues? What world have you been living in? Every governmental authority uses fees and taxes paid by those who never use the services they fund. Perhaps if minor parties took advantage of the primary system, they would generate far more interest in their parties. If they have to pay the fee (and it has been upheld), use the benefits that the fee provides.quash said:The vote drain, as you call it, is not specific to Texas: LP candidates hurt Republicans more than they do Democrats.Malbec said:No, I don't see a problem. I am not talking about a vote drain in a state where the outcome is not in any reasonable doubt. The lawsuits do not affect presidential ballot access in Texas, which has been certified for both the Libertarian Party and the Green Party since December, 2019.quash said:Malbec said:And Democrats sued to keep Green Party candidates off the ballot in Texas for the exact same reason; not paying the required filing fees. So?.quash said:The Republican party in Texas disagrees, they sued to kick LP candidates off the ballot.Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
So that reflects which party is worried about losing votes to the LP. You had it wrong.
As to the filing fees. That was a law passed by the Too Party to pay for primaries. Both the Greens and the LP use conventions. Not primaries. See a problem?
And you have no problem with a user fee on people who don't use the service? Why in the world not?
No, like a user fee, as I already said. And the LP is never going to use a state run primary, are you kidding me? Just glance at out platform. Once even.
The LP were the winners in the GOP lawsuit. They'll have to use other ways to manipulate the election.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
We choose truth over facts,settegast said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mr. Vice President. Your claim just now of 200 million Americans have died of Covid-19, is slightly off. Would you care to revisit this claim? We don't have 200,000 more minutes in this debate, so please give us your answer in a timely manner."
You didn't answer the question. Would you like to see real time fact checking
Keep setting that bar a little lower.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
But if you really believe it's 50/50 as to whether Biden shows, I got $100 that says he does.
We are a little too close to the debate here, fubar. No. But I tell you what! We can wager $200 that Donald Trump wins the election over Sleepy Joe. What say you? Biden is WAY ahead in most polls. This should be easy money for you.fubar said:Keep setting that bar a little lower.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
But if you really believe it's 50/50 as to whether Biden shows, I got $100 that says he does.
P.s. - If Biden exits the race before the election, I win.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
I can think of 15-20 one liners that would completely destroy Biden based on facts & his 'career' in politics. I can also think of 15-20 that Biden could use that the media has been pushing that are lies or misleading that will hurt Trump. There are also legit things Biden could go after Trump for.
I would give anything to have a Chris Christie or Newt debate Biden. It would be over in 30 min, Biden would be curled up weeping w/ the facts and one liners they would throw at him.
Trump's strengths are he gets things done in a big way and he's a work-a-holic. This is not his format and we all know he rambles and over exaggerates.
If I was a betting man I would say Biden comes out looking better than Trump. I don't even want to watch I'm going to be so upset w/ the lies Biden pushes and the lack of preparedness and legit attacks Trump could push on Biden.
I'm sure both sides will come away w/ a few big moments they can replay and feel good about but we know the media will declare Biden the winner regardless. Unless Biden starts forgetting multiple things and can hang in their for 1.5 hours he'll be just fine and he won't have to go around campaigning.
I would give anything to have a Chris Christie or Newt debate Biden. It would be over in 30 min, Biden would be curled up weeping w/ the facts and one liners they would throw at him.
Trump's strengths are he gets things done in a big way and he's a work-a-holic. This is not his format and we all know he rambles and over exaggerates.
If I was a betting man I would say Biden comes out looking better than Trump. I don't even want to watch I'm going to be so upset w/ the lies Biden pushes and the lack of preparedness and legit attacks Trump could push on Biden.
I'm sure both sides will come away w/ a few big moments they can replay and feel good about but we know the media will declare Biden the winner regardless. Unless Biden starts forgetting multiple things and can hang in their for 1.5 hours he'll be just fine and he won't have to go around campaigning.
To the top. Let's light this candle. $200. Trump wins, I win. Biden wins, you win. I will dedicate my win to my long passed Air Force Lt. Colonel father, Buck Ward.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:We are a little too close to the debate here, fubar. No. But I tell you what! We can wager $200 that Donald Trump wins the election over Sleepy Joe. What say you? Biden is WAY ahead in most polls. This should be easy money for you.fubar said:Keep setting that bar a little lower.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
But if you really believe it's 50/50 as to whether Biden shows, I got $100 that says he does.
P.s. - If Biden exits the race before the election, I win.
To be honest, fubar, I wonder what my Dad would have thought about Donald Trump. I honestly have no idea. He died in 2006.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
I would have no problem with her being on stage and getting the opportunity. Unfortunately, our Swampy system will not allow it.JXL said:Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
P.S.- Please don't tell quash I said that.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Too late.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I would have no problem with her being on stage and getting the opportunity. Unfortunately, our Swampy system will not allow it.JXL said:Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
P.S.- Please don't tell quash I said that.
There are two requirements to being in the debate: be on enough state ballots to win an electoral majority; get 15% on any of the five approved polls.
Jorgensen is on the ballot in all 50 states.
She is not, however, even included in any of the five polls.
Rigged.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Agreedriflebear said:
If I was a betting man I would say Biden comes out looking better than Trump.
I'm sure both sides will come away w/ a few big moments they can replay and feel good about but we know the media will declare Biden the winner regardless.
If only because 90% of the media is solidly anti Trump and the bar has been set so low for Biden he will easily exceed expectations.
If the debate is about DEM POLICIES ...Trump wins...because most of the American people have little idea what they involve and it will scare them to death .
If the debate is about personalities ...Biden will win .
The Libertarian Party has some tweeking to do on their platform before I can get on board. As far as them being shut out in the debates, I agree with you. A third voice would make things much more interesting. Believe it or not, I am on your side here.quash said:Too late.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I would have no problem with her being on stage and getting the opportunity. Unfortunately, our Swampy system will not allow it.JXL said:Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
P.S.- Please don't tell quash I said that.
There are two requirements to being in the debate: be on enough state ballots to win an electoral majority; get 15% on any of the five approved polls.
Jorgensen is on the ballot in all 50 states.
She is not, however, even included in any of the five polls.
Rigged.
P.S. - Autocorrect changed tweeking to twerking, but I have no doubt that we don't want to see Biden or Trump twerk.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Way to go out on a limb and say the debate format is rigged.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:The Libertarian Party has some tweeking to do on their platform before I can get on board. As far as them being shut out in the debates, I agree with you. A third voice would make things much more interesting. Believe it or not, I am on your side here.quash said:Too late.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I would have no problem with her being on stage and getting the opportunity. Unfortunately, our Swampy system will not allow it.JXL said:Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
P.S.- Please don't tell quash I said that.
There are two requirements to being in the debate: be on enough state ballots to win an electoral majority; get 15% on any of the five approved polls.
Jorgensen is on the ballot in all 50 states.
She is not, however, even included in any of the five polls.
Rigged.
Read the platform with the attitude of the perfect is the enemy of the good. Out LP threads are full of people saying "Gosh, I'd love to vote for Jorgensen but (insert some issue that doesn't even affect that person, but he and five other people give a crap)".
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Why hast thou forsaken me, fubar? $200. Trump wins the election, I win. Biden wins, you win.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:To the top. Let's light this candle. $200. Trump wins, I win. Biden wins, you win. I will dedicate my win to my long passed Air Force Lt. Colonel father, Buck Ward.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:We are a little too close to the debate here, fubar. No. But I tell you what! We can wager $200 that Donald Trump wins the election over Sleepy Joe. What say you? Biden is WAY ahead in most polls. This should be easy money for you.fubar said:Keep setting that bar a little lower.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
But if you really believe it's 50/50 as to whether Biden shows, I got $100 that says he does.
P.s. - If Biden exits the race before the election, I win.
To be honest, fubar, I wonder what my Dad would have thought about Donald Trump. I honestly have no idea. He died in 2006.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:We are a little too close to the debate here, fubar. No.fubar said:Keep setting that bar a little lower.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
This just in from a highly respected anonymous source. Joe Biden has a cough and a little shortness of breath. He coughed so strongly today, he soiled himself. Twice. Odds are now 50/50 whether or not he shows up tomorrow for the debate. We shall see.
But if you really believe it's 50/50 as to whether Biden shows, I got $100 that says he does.
One of the debate moderators literally interned w/ Bidenquash said:Way to go out on a limb and say the debate format is rigged.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:The Libertarian Party has some tweeking to do on their platform before I can get on board. As far as them being shut out in the debates, I agree with you. A third voice would make things much more interesting. Believe it or not, I am on your side here.quash said:Too late.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I would have no problem with her being on stage and getting the opportunity. Unfortunately, our Swampy system will not allow it.JXL said:Malbec said:Her inclusion would doom Biden by draining enough Democrat votes to ensure a Trump re-election.JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
She would most likely mop the floor with both of them.
P.S.- Please don't tell quash I said that.
There are two requirements to being in the debate: be on enough state ballots to win an electoral majority; get 15% on any of the five approved polls.
Jorgensen is on the ballot in all 50 states.
She is not, however, even included in any of the five polls.
Rigged.
Read the platform with the attitude of the perfect is the enemy of the good. Out LP threads are full of people saying "Gosh, I'd love to vote for Jorgensen but (insert some issue that doesn't even affect that person, but he and five other people give a crap)".
Biden could easily put Trump on the defensive w/ every topicCanada2017 said:Agreedriflebear said:
If I was a betting man I would say Biden comes out looking better than Trump.
I'm sure both sides will come away w/ a few big moments they can replay and feel good about but we know the media will declare Biden the winner regardless.
If only because 90% of the media is solidly anti Trump and the bar has been set so low for Biden he will easily exceed expectations.
If the debate is about DEM POLICIES ...Trump wins...because most of the American people have little idea what they involve and it will scare them to death .
If the debate is about personalities ...Biden will win .
Covid - you lied in public while saying something different on tape so you are responsible for 200k deaths.
Riots - This is Trump's America, you are spreading hate and racism
Economy - Obama & I had the best economy ever and you just benefited from that, now you ruined it w/ your response to Covid
Of course it would be easy to come back and counter each one of those w/ a better response to put Biden on the defensive so this is going to be very interesting to see the back and forth. I don't think I'm going to watch because I'm going to get frustrated w/ Trump's lack of debate skills and Biden's repeated lies manipulating data/facts.
The media will say Biden won tonight, no matter what happens. That's not the point. What matters is how the candidates speak to the undecided voters and independents. Blame games and attacks are not going to win over people who are looking to see leadership and vision.
So it comes down to the message of the candidate, and how well the candidate stays on track.
So it comes down to the message of the candidate, and how well the candidate stays on track.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
JXL said:quash said:
The debate process needs to be fact checked for keeping Jorgensen off the stage.
I agree, she should be on there.
Concur
Unrelated - who selects and checks the fact checkers? It's all a circle jerk of bull***** Just let the candidates do it and don't pretend there are some great arbiters in the sky. It just makes it worse.
Let's have Ben Shapiro do the fact checking. He's known for his catch phrase, "facts don't care about your feelings." He'll give it to everyone straight regardless of how it makes them feel.
In reality, most politicians use nebulous statements with truth mixed in but plenty of embellishment or vague additions that may mislead. Both sides do this. The problem is most fact checking is done by the left. They focus on the nuggets of truth included in statements made by left wing politicians and focus on the embellishment's in the right's statements. It's dishonest but it's politics.
I remember Trump saying during one state of the union address that 1/3 of women crossing the southern border were sexually assaulted at some point along their journey. A left wing media outlet that was real time fact checking the speech (something they never did to Obama), called it a lie. If you dug a little deeper you could learn they called it a lie because the study Trump referenced officially said something like 31.8% of women were sexually assaulted. That is dishonest fact checking. It's like if someone asked Trump what time is was and he said "a quarter to 3" and a fact checker called him a liar and in small print stated it was actually 2:43.
In reality, most politicians use nebulous statements with truth mixed in but plenty of embellishment or vague additions that may mislead. Both sides do this. The problem is most fact checking is done by the left. They focus on the nuggets of truth included in statements made by left wing politicians and focus on the embellishment's in the right's statements. It's dishonest but it's politics.
I remember Trump saying during one state of the union address that 1/3 of women crossing the southern border were sexually assaulted at some point along their journey. A left wing media outlet that was real time fact checking the speech (something they never did to Obama), called it a lie. If you dug a little deeper you could learn they called it a lie because the study Trump referenced officially said something like 31.8% of women were sexually assaulted. That is dishonest fact checking. It's like if someone asked Trump what time is was and he said "a quarter to 3" and a fact checker called him a liar and in small print stated it was actually 2:43.
Sic Everyone.
Yes. that would be great because Trump is a ****ing liar. He is incapable of telling the truth.settegast said:
How many would agree that the debate be fact checked in real time? This would give the candidates time to correct if they misspoke and voters the opportunity to hear/see the truth otherwise.
Thoughts?
I totally disagree. They're both liars, but so are the fact checkers. Just let the main liars lie and let us sort it out ourselves.J.R. said:Yes. that would be great because Trump is a ****ing liar. He is incapable of telling the truth.settegast said:
How many would agree that the debate be fact checked in real time? This would give the candidates time to correct if they misspoke and voters the opportunity to hear/see the truth otherwise.
Thoughts?
Reporter said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
"Okay Mr. Vice President. Your claim just now of 200 million Americans have died of Covid-19, is slightly off. Would you care to revisit this claim? We don't have 200,000 more minutes in this debate, so please give us your answer in a timely manner."
Mr. Vice President - do you expect to garner 5.2% of the vote for President so that your total would exceed that of Jimmy Ward for County Judge of Guadalupe County? ( this will trigger the usual bait and switch action of Jimmy Ward Publishing some silly posting accusing me of being someone I am not). We know you Jimmy. We live in your home County. And we are ashamed of you as are 94% of the residents of your home county.
Seriously fella....get some help.
The fact checking is bull***** It creates an appearance of veracity that just is never going to be there.FormerFlash said:
Let's have Ben Shapiro do the fact checking. He's known for his catch phrase, "facts don't care about your feelings." He'll give it to everyone straight regardless of how it makes them feel.
In reality, most politicians use nebulous statements with truth mixed in but plenty of embellishment or vague additions that may mislead. Both sides do this. The problem is most fact checking is done by the left. They focus on the nuggets of truth included in statements made by left wing politicians and focus on the embellishment's in the right's statements. It's dishonest but it's politics.
I remember Trump saying during one state of the union address that 1/3 of women crossing the southern border were sexually assaulted at some point along their journey. A left wing media outlet that was real time fact checking the speech (something they never did to Obama), called it a lie. If you dug a little deeper you could learn they called it a lie because the study Trump referenced officially said something like 31.8% of women were sexually assaulted. That is dishonest fact checking. It's like if someone asked Trump what time is was and he said "a quarter to 3" and a fact checker called him a liar and in small print stated it was actually 2:43.