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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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Why? He's the literal textbook definition of someone who was born on third base and acts like they hit a triple.

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Well, if we're using baseball metaphors, the umpires awarded Biden 1st, 2nd and 3rd base against the rules but because they didn't like the pitcher.

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As soon as there is, y'know, actual evidence of any of this, and not just crazy-eyed conspiracy theories, I'm interested to see it.

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Not surprising that you would think over 200 sworn affidavits by witnesses is worthless.

People have been sent to prison with far less.

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They are worthless when he won't let anyone see them. Produce them or shut up.

NBC
Trump campaign lawsuits: By the numbers
As of Nov. 19th. 7:00 PM ET
31 lawsuits filed
23 cases denied, dismissed, settled or withdrawn
7 cases ended by voluntary dismissal
8 cases remain active
0 instances of voter fraud identified

Opinion by Judge Rober O. Baldi
Bucks County, PA Court of Common Pleas

"It must be noted that the parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots."

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if there's no fraud, then you shouldn't have a problem with process playing out until it's finished, eh?

Rawhide said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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Why? He's the literal textbook definition of someone who was born on third base and acts like they hit a triple.

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Well, if we're using baseball metaphors, the umpires awarded Biden 1st, 2nd and 3rd base against the rules but because they didn't like the pitcher.

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As soon as there is, y'know, actual evidence of any of this, and not just crazy-eyed conspiracy theories, I'm interested to see it.

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Not surprising that you would think over 200 sworn affidavits by witnesses is worthless.

People have been sent to prison with far less.

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They are worthless when he won't let anyone see them. Produce them or shut up.

NBC
Trump campaign lawsuits: By the numbers
As of Nov. 19th. 7:00 PM ET
31 lawsuits filed
23 cases denied, dismissed, settled or withdrawn
7 cases ended by voluntary dismissal
8 cases remain active
0 instances of voter fraud identified

Opinion by Judge Rober O. Baldi
Bucks County, PA Court of Common Pleas

"It must be noted that the parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots."

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if there's no fraud, then you shouldn't have a problem with process playing out until it's finished, eh?

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The whole point of this song and dance is that it won't finish before the relevant deadlines, so Trump can get the issue thrown to Congress and installed for a second term. You can try and pretend not to understand this or act like it isn't their explicit strategy, but my point is the bad faith behind your words is readily apparent.

HuMcK said:

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Rawhide said:

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Rawhide said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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Why? He's the literal textbook definition of someone who was born on third base and acts like they hit a triple.

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Well, if we're using baseball metaphors, the umpires awarded Biden 1st, 2nd and 3rd base against the rules but because they didn't like the pitcher.

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As soon as there is, y'know, actual evidence of any of this, and not just crazy-eyed conspiracy theories, I'm interested to see it.

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Not surprising that you would think over 200 sworn affidavits by witnesses is worthless.

People have been sent to prison with far less.

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They are worthless when he won't let anyone see them. Produce them or shut up.

NBC
Trump campaign lawsuits: By the numbers
As of Nov. 19th. 7:00 PM ET
31 lawsuits filed
23 cases denied, dismissed, settled or withdrawn
7 cases ended by voluntary dismissal
8 cases remain active
0 instances of voter fraud identified

Opinion by Judge Rober O. Baldi
Bucks County, PA Court of Common Pleas

"It must be noted that the parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots."

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if there's no fraud, then you shouldn't have a problem with process playing out until it's finished, eh?

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The whole point of this song and dance is that it won't finish before the relevant deadlines, so Trump can get the issue thrown to Congress and installed for a second term. You can try and pretend not to understand this or act like it isn't their explicit strategy, but my point is the bad faith behind your words is readily apparent.

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Sorry that our constitution actually allows for a president and vice president to be elected by congress.

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Romney, like Fox, has turned into a Biden supporter. lol

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Romney was always a Biden supporter. He's been a Democrat for most of his political career. After all, Obama Care was his before it was Obama's. Romney, like most establishment RINOs was nominal opposition to the left at best. He never believed in the principles of individual liberty enough to fight for them. He campaigned harder against Trump than he ever did against Obama.

The Republican party is changing. It's becoming more the party of the working class and minorities, while the Dems are the party fo the uber rich tech kings and the uber lazy welfare queens....and Marxist rioters, looters and rapists. Trump is responsible for that change. Had it been up to Romney, he'd still be cowing to the left as we all slouched to a Chinese dominated world.

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uh....Trumps was a Democrat most of his grifting life!

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Supreme Court will not flip any election ....regardless of irregularities.

As the justices are historically loath to become king makers .

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If there is evidence, real evidence, that the officials in several states manipulated the outcome ... then I could see the SCOTUS directing the legislatures in those states to choose the electors.

Very, very unlikely. But it's possible and would have the double value that there is historical precedent, and the judges would be able to say that the legislators, not the judges, decided the outcome.

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So far, there is no real evidence, just allegations that haven't amounted to anything. If there is a legitimate claim, it won't be ignored by the courts. So far its been smoke and mirrors from Trump.

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Sworn affidavits are evidence.

Evidence is discussed in terms of weight. Yes, there are sworn affidavits. That said, you can go swear out an affidavit saying you saw Jesus rise out of your coffee and bless you this morning, and people are free to give whatever "weight" to that assertion they think it deserves.

It keeps getting pointed out, but what these grifters are saying in public about fraud is notably different than what they are saying in court, where words can have real consequences.

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Supreme Court will not flip any election ....regardless of irregularities.

As the justices are historically loath to become king makers .

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If there is evidence, real evidence, that the officials in several states manipulated the outcome ... then I could see the SCOTUS directing the legislatures in those states to choose the electors.

Very, very unlikely. But it's possible and would have the double value that there is historical precedent, and the judges would be able to say that the legislators, not the judges, decided the outcome.

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So far, there is no real evidence, just allegations that haven't amounted to anything. If there is a legitimate claim, it won't be ignored by the courts. So far its been smoke and mirrors from Trump.

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Sworn affidavits are evidence.

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alot of the newer affidavits, especially those arising from the GA recount are really detailed and from people who should be considered to have knowledge necessary to make this testimony. An election worker with 20 years experience for instance...

PA voted for a state election audit... Dominion reps did not appear virtually as scheduled for the information hearing prior to the vote...

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Romney, like Fox, has turned into a Biden supporter. lol

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And like yourself.

There are certainly suspicions that call into question the veracity of the election results. When a couple of states have a sudden, 100,000 plus swing all in favor of one candidate overnight, that certainly raises concerns. And of course, the mail-ins ballots as predicted have raised numerous questions and suspicions.

But at the end of the day, there doesn't appear to be the hard evidence necessary to overturn the election results. Fraud is difficult to prove, even if it did occur. And the sad fact is, we will never know.

All of that said, the cockamamie conspiracy theories regarding Venezuela and the like are absurd. I can't believe any reasonable person would trot out that line of b.s. It makes Trump and his team look so ridiculous. And the fact they keep letting that nutjob Giuliani spread that b.s. in front of the cameras is even more perplexing. That man should never be in front of a camera again. He's bonkers.

I am ready for this to end in the near future. Recount and verify, that is fine, but let it end there. Dispense with the lawsuits that have proven nothing. Like it or not, Biden will be president. Time to buckle up, batten down the hatches, and prepare yourself for 4 years of socialist policies.

Mothra: "I am ready for this to end in the near future. Recount and verify, that is fine, but let it end there"

I strongly disagree. The media has been trying to shut down any investigation, or serious inquiry, of what are clearly serious charges.

We're in a place where we need to look closely at all these affidavits, because only two possibilities exist:

1. Trump's team has suborned perjury, in which case serous charges should result once the truth is proven, or

2. The affidavits demonstrate the existence of a massive conspiracy in multiple states, for which election officials should face serious charges

In either case, the only way to find out the truth is to perform hand audits with ballot verification in the states claimed of this behavior. This can be checked relatively quickly by using sample audits and random spot-checks in counties with the greatest variance from normal behavior, and if problems are demonstrated, continuing with a broader hand audit of those counties and additional spot checks in other counties.

Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra: "I am ready for this to end in the near future. Recount and verify, that is fine, but let it end there"

I strongly disagree. The media has been trying to shut down any investigation, or serious inquiry, of what are clearly serious charges.

We're in a place where we need to look closely at all these affidavits, because only two possibilities exist:

1. Trump's team has suborned perjury, in which case serous charges should result once the truth is proven, or

2. The affidavits demonstrate the existence of a massive conspiracy in multiple states, for which election officials should face serious charges

In either case, the only way to find out the truth is to perform hand audits with ballot verification in the states claimed of this behavior. This can be checked relatively quickly by using sample audits and random spot-checks in counties with the greatest variance from normal behavior, and if problems are demonstrated, continuing with a broader hand audit of those counties and additional spot checks in other counties.

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I am fine with audits, and reviewing the evidence. That is what I meant by verify.

Oldbear83 said:

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Mothra: "I am ready for this to end in the near future. Recount and verify, that is fine, but let it end there"

I strongly disagree. The media has been trying to shut down any investigation, or serious inquiry, of what are clearly serious charges.

We're in a place where we need to look closely at all these affidavits, because only two possibilities exist:

1. Trump's team has suborned perjury, in which case serous charges should result once the truth is proven, or

2. The affidavits demonstrate the existence of a massive conspiracy in multiple states, for which election officials should face serious charges

In either case, the only way to find out the truth is to perform hand audits with ballot verification in the states claimed of this behavior. This can be checked relatively quickly by using sample audits and random spot-checks in counties with the greatest variance from normal behavior, and if problems are demonstrated, continuing with a broader hand audit of those counties and additional spot checks in other counties.

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3. The affidavits are legitimate, but they fail to demonstrate the existence of a conspiracy.

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Romney, like Fox, has turned into a Biden supporter. lol

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And like yourself.

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Just as much as Romney and Fox has.

They havent. They just havent drank the orange koolaid as much as you have.

Trump worshipers: FOX is the only reliable mainstream news, all the others are just a libtard conspiracy

FOX: points out actual facts that don't look good for Trump

Trump worshipers: FOX is just a libtard conspiracy

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Mothra said:

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Romney, like Fox, has turned into a Biden supporter. lol

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And like yourself.

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Just as much as Romney and Fox has.

They havent. They just havent drank the orange koolaid as much as you have.

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Romney, like you, didn't vote for Trump, which of course was a de facto vote for Biden.

If orange kool-aid tastes like expanded personal freedoms, capitalism, judges who follow the constitution, and limited govt., I guess I have drunk that. I prefer it to the blue kool-aid your drank.

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Mothra said:

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Romney, like Fox, has turned into a Biden supporter. lol

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And like yourself.

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Just as much as Romney and Fox has.

They havent. They just havent drank the orange koolaid as much as you have.

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I voted for Romney back in 2012.

Wish like hell he had become president .

Suspect this country would be a lot better off.

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Mothra: "I am ready for this to end in the near future. Recount and verify, that is fine, but let it end there"

I strongly disagree. The media has been trying to shut down any investigation, or serious inquiry, of what are clearly serious charges.

We're in a place where we need to look closely at all these affidavits, because only two possibilities exist:

1. Trump's team has suborned perjury, in which case serous charges should result once the truth is proven, or

2. The affidavits demonstrate the existence of a massive conspiracy in multiple states, for which election officials should face serious charges

In either case, the only way to find out the truth is to perform hand audits with ballot verification in the states claimed of this behavior. This can be checked relatively quickly by using sample audits and random spot-checks in counties with the greatest variance from normal behavior, and if problems are demonstrated, continuing with a broader hand audit of those counties and additional spot checks in other counties.

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3. The affidavits are legitimate, but they fail to demonstrate the existence of a conspiracy.

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Have you read them?

Are you aware of the specific acts the affiants say they witnessed?

lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto vote I support Pres. Trump. Thats silly and you know it.

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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Mothra said:

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

Mothra said:

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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Not that difficult to understand. When a voter who would normally vote for the Republican candidate decides to vote for an independent candidate, as LIQR, it is essentially a vote for his opponent. See Ross Perot back in '92. He drew enough potential voters away from Bush that he paved the way for a Clinton presidency.

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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Not that difficult to understand. When a voter who would normally vote for the Republican candidate decides to vote for an independent candidate, as LIQR, it is essentially a vote for his opponent. See Ross Perot back in '92. He drew enough potential voters away from Bush that he paved the way for a Clinton presidency.

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I think this year, we can at least agree that votes for independent/minor party candidates did not materially affect the outcome in any major state.

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Canada2017 said:

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Mothra said:

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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Not that difficult to understand. When a voter who would normally vote for the Republican candidate decides to vote for an independent candidate, as LIQR, it is essentially a vote for his opponent. See Ross Perot back in '92. He drew enough potential voters away from Bush that he paved the way for a Clinton presidency.

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I think this year, we can at least agree that votes for independent/minor party candidates did not materially affect the outcome in any major state.

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I agree with that, and am not suggesting it was the difference. I think Trump would have lost regardless. Too much twitter, and too much COVID-19.

But I know plenty of conservative friends who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump this election cycle, and a few others who had never voted democrat who cast a vote for Biden.

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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Not that difficult to understand. When a voter who would normally vote for the Republican candidate decides to vote for an independent candidate, as LIQR, it is essentially a vote for his opponent. See Ross Perot back in '92. He drew enough potential voters away from Bush that he paved the way for a Clinton presidency.

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I think this year, we can at least agree that votes for independent/minor party candidates did not materially affect the outcome in any major state.

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I agree with that, and am not suggesting it was the difference. I think Trump would have lost regardless. Too much twitter, and too much COVID-19.

But I know plenty of conservative friends who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump this election cycle, and a few others who had never voted democrat who cast a vote for Biden.

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Odd, my experience was exactly the opposite. I live in a mostly-Asian neighborhood who only voted down-ballot in 2016. They all went Trump this year, and were very vocal about it. One of my Vietnamese neighbors put up a flag pole in his front yard and and flew a US flag with a Trump flag under it most of the year.

I think this was a very polarizing election. No matter who ends up winning (most likely Biden but we're not there yet), will have one hell of a job convincing half the country they should be trusted with the office.

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lol I didnt vote for Biden so by defacto I support Pres. Trump.

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When a conservative doesn't vote for the only conservative candidate on the ballot, its a defacto vote for the liberal candidate who won.

The logic ain't that difficult, even for a redneck with a limited IQ.

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Interesting.

There must be definition of the word 'logic' I am not familiar with .

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On the last sentence, we are in agreement. Logic is often times a foreign concept to you.

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chuckle

I am so shocked you would feel that way......devastated even.

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Not that difficult to understand. When a voter who would normally vote for the Republican candidate decides to vote for an independent candidate, as LIQR, it is essentially a vote for his opponent. See Ross Perot back in '92. He drew enough potential voters away from Bush that he paved the way for a Clinton presidency.

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I think this year, we can at least agree that votes for independent/minor party candidates did not materially affect the outcome in any major state.

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I agree with that, and am not suggesting it was the difference. I think Trump would have lost regardless. Too much twitter, and too much COVID-19.

But I know plenty of conservative friends who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump this election cycle, and a few others who had never voted democrat who cast a vote for Biden.

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Odd, my experience was exactly the opposite. I live in a mostly-Asian neighborhood who only voted down-ballot in 2016. They all went Trump this year, and were very vocal about it. One of my Vietnamese neighbors put up a flag pole in his front yard and and flew a US flag with a Trump flag under it most of the year.

I think this was a very polarizing election. No matter who ends up winning (most likely Biden but we're not there yet), will have one hell of a job convincing half the country they should be trusted with the office.

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Donald Trump (you know, the racist) garnered the highest minority turnout of a GOP candidate since 1960. He overperformed with African American males.

Now liberal white women are lecturing white women for being racist since appx 53% of them voted for Trump while nobody bats an eye that 95% of black women voted for Biden.

What I've learned is that white liberals are way more into black lives matter and woke politics than the actual people they think they are helping.

Remember that Trump needs to be gracious in defeat just as the Democrats have been....

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Remember that Trump needs to be gracious in defeat just as the Democrats have been....

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Girl, don't go away mad
Girl, just go away
Girl, don't go away mad
Now girl, just go away,

Didn't Baylor's own Jo Jorgensen get more votes than the margin in 3 or 4 states?

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Didn't Baylor's own Jo Jorgensen get more votes than the margin in 3 or 4 states?

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I am sure she did. She played the role of Jill Stein in the 2020 election. The libertarian party is so against government control that they take votes away from the Republican which in turn helps ensure that the candidate in favor of maximum government control wins. Great Strategery there Libertarians.

More from the "leftist Democrats" at National Review:

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Trump's Disgraceful Gambit
By The Editors
November 20, 2020 10:49 AM

The Rudy Giuliani-led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States.

The claims by the Trump team and its allies in court have been as far-reaching as possible and still haven't come close to supporting the kind of feverish charges made yesterday afternoon. These cases have been dismissed or were whittled down until, as Andy McCarthy has noted, in Pennsylvania the Trump team isn't even challenging enough ballots to come within hailing distance of overturning Joe Biden's 83,000-vote lead - although we understand that the team is now attempting to file yet another amended complaint that would revive previously abandoned fraud charges and add still more.

This magazine has always taken voter fraud seriously, and we hope that any that occurred in this election is exposed and prosecuted. But it's important to recognize that the broad contours of the 2020 presidential vote make sense. At the RNC press conference, Giuliani made much of how the count switched against Trump after he established initial leads on Election Night in key states. Yet this was expected and a function of the fact that same-day ballots strongly favoring Republicans were counted first, and early votes strongly favoring Democrats were counted last.

Across the country, the basic picture is the same, without any notable anomalies Trump excelled in rural areas, got wiped out in urban areas but often by slightly smaller margins than in 2016, and lost soundly in suburban counties, which proved decisive.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trumps-disgraceful-gambit/

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Sam sure loves him some TDS'ers

From WSJ:

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A Bogus Dispute Is Doing Real Damage
Conspiracy theories are damaging the country today and will hurt Republicans tomorrow.
By Peggy Noonan
Nov. 19, 2020 7:27 pm ET

It's one thing when supporters of the president say, simply, "Let's go through the process and see where we are." It's not bad to look into how messy the voting system is, not the worst to realize it needs long-term remedial attention. How did we devolve into a nation that no longer has an election night but an election month?

But the sheer nuttiness surrounding the current mess is becoming deeply destructive. Online you see the websites read by millions saying the entire election system is shot through with criminality.

Trump staff and supporters should know at this point that in trying to change the outcome they are doing harm - undercutting respect in and hope for democracy.

The irony is that this election will be remembered for the president's attempts to sow chaos, not for what it actually appears to have been, which is a triumph for America. In the middle of a pandemic, with new rules, there was historically high turnout. Under stress the system worked. Voters were committed, trusting, and stood in line for hours. There was no violence at the polls, no serious charges of voter suppression. In a time of legitimate hacking fears, there were no reports of foreign interference. Our defenses held. On top of all that, the outcome was moderate: for all the strife and stress of recent years, the split decision amounted to a reassertion of centrism.

You'd think the president would take his winnings and go home, because he had them. He outperformed polls and exceeded his 2016 vote total by more than 10 million. For one brief shining moment, on Nov. 3, he'd finally expanded his base to almost 50% of the electorate. He found new sources of support.

Imagine if he'd acted even remotely normal in his first term, if he'd had the intellectual, emotional and spiritual resources to moderate himself, to act respectably. Heck, imagine if he'd worn a mask. He might have won.

If he were clever and disciplined, he'd do it differently. He'd accept the election's outcome, if not graciously at least with finality, go home to Mar-a-Lago, play golf, and have fun torturing his party by plotting his return. "I'll be back."

Instead he leaves behind real and politically pointless ruin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-bogus-dispute-is-doing-real-damage-11605832051?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR1GG0QCLTTZDcYeXhkQ-9EQGe-0o0t0I3m4V5QFP7KFZrHoZIDPEuAZpaE

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