"Frozen Wind Turbines.." from ERCOT

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Doc Holliday
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BaylorBJM said:

I guess we're not quite ready for that whole TEXIT thing are we?
Well,...technically the relief funds wouldn't have been taxed and given to the feds to begin with in the event of TEXIT.

Texas wouldn't have earth destroying solar and wind technologies either if smart people ran the state.
robby44
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ERCOT didn't purchase cold weather packages for the turbines
Texasjeremy
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BaylorBJM said:

I guess we're not quite ready for that whole TEXIT thing are we?
Shows we need it more.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Everybody needs to chill! (pun intended) Biden and the Democrats will have this country running on love and sunshine very soon! Of course, it won't be cheap!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
Osodecentx
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BaylorBJM said:

I guess we're not quite ready for that whole TEXIT thing are we?
I wasn't ready for Texit before the storm hit. It's a bad idea no matter what the weather is
quash
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Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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https://tnm.me/news/political/the-disgusting-reason-that-millions-of-texans-spent-the-night-without-power

The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power
Texas has its own electrical grid and plenty of excess power generation capability. Yet, right now, millions of Texans are freezing in the dark. Here's why.

Texas both produces and consumes more electricity than any other state. Texas' abundant natural resources, including natural gas, coal, and wind, are readily available to fuel our power plants.

Texas is the only one of the contiguous 48 states with its own stand-alone electricity grid, one of the three main grids in the U.S.: the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas Interconnection. The Texas Interconnection, which covers 213 of the 254 Texas counties, is managed by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT. Portions of Texas near the state's borders are covered by the eastern and western grids.

Texas produces more electricity than it consumes and maintains a buffer referred to as the "state's reserve margin." This margin ensures that we should never have to suffer from rolling blackouts like California.

Then why are so millions of Texans without power right now? Why are we dealing with rolling blackouts?

The answer is all-too-familiar: our relationship with the federal government.

In anticipation of this unprecedented power demand, Texas could have maxed out power generation. However, we couldn't. Like a lowly beggar, Texas had to first ask for permission from the federal government to generate enough power to keep our people warm. Why? Because cranking up our power plants to full production might violate federal pollution limits.

There is a clear metaphor here. Texans were powerless because our elected officials ceded authority to a slow-moving, uncaring gaggle of federal bureaucrats.

TEXIT means that we never have to ask permission to do what's best for our people.

When you are contacting your elected officials to demand a vote on TEXIT, remember that there are real consequences to us staying in the union. Right now, someone is suffering because of their indecision or opposition. That someone might be you, your family, or your neighbors.
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
Mountain top removal to mine for precious metals doesn't destroy the earth or entire ecosystems?



Porteroso
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BaylorBJM said:

I guess we're not quite ready for that whole TEXIT thing are we?

TEXMEXIT?
BBear77
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robby44 said:

ERCOT didn't purchase cold weather packages for the turbines
Neither has Germany.

Germany freezing due to snow 'blanketing millions' of solar panel - Heavy snowfall grips Istanbul - Soon headed for Athens - Ice Age Now
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
Mountain top removal to mine for precious metals doesn't destroy the earth or entire ecosystems?




If you define earth in intensely local ways, sure. Somebody missed the turn last night in the snow and destroyed the earth. On the other side of the curb...
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Jacques Strap
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BBear77 said:

robby44 said:

ERCOT didn't purchase cold weather packages for the turbines
Neither has Germany.

Germany freezing due to snow 'blanketing millions' of solar panel - Heavy snowfall grips Istanbul - Soon headed for Athens - Ice Age Now

Apparently reliable energy is an idea whose time has come and gone.


RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Jacques Strap said:

BBear77 said:

robby44 said:

ERCOT didn't purchase cold weather packages for the turbines
Neither has Germany.

Germany freezing due to snow 'blanketing millions' of solar panel - Heavy snowfall grips Istanbul - Soon headed for Athens - Ice Age Now

Apparently reliable energy is an idea whose time has come and gone.



The Biden/ Democratic energy plan is a whole lot more about woke and posturing than reliability and energy independence. Thank God they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change a few years back.

Americans will pay more for less.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Baylor3216 said:

Bexar Pitts said:

tommie said:

And
Just a friendly "PSA" :-) I did find it a "brow raiser" that in the day of Alternative energy sources....the turbines were frozen and that natural gas (that is so plentiful that it's burned off at the well site) was in limited supply to the generating units. Just bored I guess...probably shouldn't have put it up. Hope everybody stays warm..take care of the pets..


People may get cold or die but by God they are saving the planet!
This was truly a great post. And so true!

Virtue and the warm and fuzzies now trump safety and common sense, -for two more years anyway.

"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
J.R.
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I'm in Dallas and woke up to negative 2 with no power and feels like neg11. I live in a high rise apt and just now figured out that no power means no lights ect, but no water and no toilets as electricity is needed to pump it up! What a disaster
BaylorBJM
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I mean, anyone with half a brain likely knew it was frozen pipes right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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BaylorBJM said:

I mean, anyone with half a brain likely knew it was frozen pipes right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes
What an informative and unbiased article from that journalistic juggernaut, Bloomberg Green. LOL!!!!

Have you chosen your new Texit destination yet?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
BaylorBJM
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BaylorBJM said:

I mean, anyone with half a brain likely knew it was frozen pipes right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes
What an informative and unbiased article from that journalistic juggernaut, Bloomberg Green. LOL!!!!

Have you chosen your new Texit destination yet?
lol, you're right. Those quotes and hard numbers from the director of the power grid and others are totally off base.

Good luck with the Texit though! Have you thought about what position in the new government you will be running for?

Maybe this time you can eclipse that magical 5.5% number you achieved last time you ran for office!
Doc Holliday
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Just curious, are you a socialist?
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
Mountain top removal to mine for precious metals doesn't destroy the earth or entire ecosystems?




If you define earth in intensely local ways, sure. Somebody missed the turn last night in the snow and destroyed the earth. On the other side of the curb...
"Intensely local" lmao, try 2000 miles of Appalachian. Try the entire Appalachian if we go fully "green".
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
Mountain top removal to mine for precious metals doesn't destroy the earth or entire ecosystems?




If you define earth in intensely local ways, sure. Somebody missed the turn last night in the snow and destroyed the earth. On the other side of the curb...
"Intensely local" lmao, try 2000 miles of Appalachian. Try the entire Appalachian if we go fully "green".
Never seen a coal mine have you?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:




earth destroying solar and wind technologies
Way to spank that credibility. Do you ghostwrite for the climate change alarmists?
Mountain top removal to mine for precious metals doesn't destroy the earth or entire ecosystems?




If you define earth in intensely local ways, sure. Somebody missed the turn last night in the snow and destroyed the earth. On the other side of the curb...
"Intensely local" lmao, try 2000 miles of Appalachian. Try the entire Appalachian if we go fully "green".
Never seen a coal mine have you?
I'm against coal. Yes I know about reclamation.

I'm in favor of oil and gas with carbon capture because it's much cleaner and cheaper than mining for precious metals to create batteries, solar panels and wind turbines. Not to mention dangerous battery disposal.

Be smart enough not to buy into the solar and wind energy rhetoric: they clearly suck and aren't that clean. Nuclear is the real way to go but government can't siphon wealth off of something that's 98% renewable.
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Jacques Strap
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Power Outage US

15 states are experiencing rolling blackouts or outages because of extreme weather.

zzztop Areas by Outages
Texas
3,783,088
Oregon
226,207
Kentucky
137,146
Louisiana
92,850
West Virginia
91,994
Last Updated
2/16/2021, 02:14:23 PM

HuMcK
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What does he want ERCOT to do? They don't generate power, they don't determine the source blend of where the power comes from, they don't maintain transmission lines, all they can do (while also extremely short-staffed due to weather and COVID) is ration the power/transmission they do have on hand while they wait for Oncor and others to spool up like the rest of us.
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

What does he want ERCOT to do? They don't generate power, they don't determine the source blend of where the power comes from, they don't maintain transmission lines, all they can do (while also extremely short-staffed due to weather and COVID) is ration the power/transmission they do have on hand while they wait for Oncor and others to spool up like the rest of us.
This fits the description of most government.
HuMcK
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ERCOT isn't government, they are basically a government blessed private regulatory body. The current version of ERCOT was formed in 1995 as part of a state government de-regulation of the power industry. By design, they don't have much authority to make the private conglomerates do anything, like for example emergency prep or compelling corporate actions in a disaster. They are set up to make the hard decisions like the current rationing, and not be able to respond when politicians use them as a punching-bag.

I should disclose that my dad currently works for ERCOT in the control room (as in he's on shift right now) since 2001, after 25yrs with TU/TXU/etc.
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HuMcK said:

They are set up to make the hard decisions like the current rationing, and not be able to respond when politicians use them as a punching-bag.


Could definitely be some deflection going on....

RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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BaylorBJM said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BaylorBJM said:

I mean, anyone with half a brain likely knew it was frozen pipes right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes
What an informative and unbiased article from that journalistic juggernaut, Bloomberg Green. LOL!!!!

Have you chosen your new Texit destination yet?
lol, you're right. Those quotes and hard numbers from the director of the power grid and others are totally off base.

Good luck with the Texit though! Have you thought about what position in the new government you will be running for?

I was thinking about running for dog catcher. If you're still here, you had better damn sure have all your shots!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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boognish_bear said:

HuMcK said:

They are set up to make the hard decisions like the current rationing, and not be able to respond when politicians use them as a punching-bag.


Could definitely be some deflection going on....


Andrew Cuomo has transformed from savior to demon in this past week. Looks like Greg Abbott is going to give Andrew some company.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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Jacques Strap
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Snowing again and things are starting to get a little crazy over here.

Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

ERCOT isn't government, they are basically a government blessed private regulatory body. The current version of ERCOT was formed in 1995 as part of a state government de-regulation of the power industry. By design, they don't have much authority to make the private conglomerates do anything, like for example emergency prep or compelling corporate actions in a disaster. They are set up to make the hard decisions like the current rationing, and not be able to respond when politicians use them as a punching-bag.

I should disclose that my dad currently works for ERCOT in the control room (as in he's on shift right now) since 2001, after 25yrs with TU/TXU/etc.
Interesting, I don't have experience with the electricity industry, but I have to deal with oil and gas state regulatory sometimes and they're nearly all incompetent. The federal bodies aren't nearly as bad, apart from their online services, but the feds do what they want whenever they want.

It's almost if they respond with failed processes by creating more process.

It's so bad that I've had a new mexico regulatory "analyst" call me about leaving equipment on site, turns out it was a literal gas well! A regulatory manager didn't know what a well looked like...yet he was considering tens of thousands in fines. He was embarrassed, and he should have been fired on the spot.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-frozen/

No, frozen wind turbines aren't the main culprit for Texas' power outages

Feb. 16, 2021

Frozen wind turbines in Texas caused some conservative state politicians to declare Tuesday that the state was relying too much on renewable energy. But in reality, the lost wind power makes up only a fraction of the reduction in power-generating capacity that has brought outages to millions of Texans across the state during a major winter storm.

An official with the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said Tuesday afternoon that 16 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, mostly wind generation, was offline. Nearly double that, 30 gigawatts, had been lost from thermal sources, which includes gas, coal and nuclear energy.

"Texas is a gas state," said Michael Webber, an energy resources professor at the University of Texas at Austin.

While Webber said all of Texas' energy sources share blame for the power crisis, the natural gas industry is most notably producing significantly less power than normal.

"Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now," Webber said.

Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT, echoed that sentiment Tuesday.

"It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system," he said during a Tuesday call with reporters.

Still, some have focused their blame on wind power.

"This is what happens when you force the grid to rely in part on wind as a power source," U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Houston, tweeted Tuesday afternoon. "When weather conditions get bad as they did this week, intermittent renewable energy like wind isn't there when you need it."

He went on to note the shutdown of a nuclear reactor in Bay City because of the cold, and finally got to what energy experts say is the biggest culprit, "Low Supply of Natural Gas: ERCOT planned on 67GW from natural gas/coal, but could only get 43GW of it online. We didn't run out of natural gas, but we ran out of the ability to get natural gas. Pipelines in Texas don't use cold insulation so things were freezing."

Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, known for his right-wing Facebook posts that have, in the past, spread misinformation and amplified conspiracy theories, also posted an unvarnished view of wind energy on Facebook: "We should never build another wind turbine in Texas."

In another post, Miller was even more forthright, but also misleading, "Insult added to injury: Those ugly wind turbines out there are among the main reasons we are experiencing electricity blackouts. Isn't that ironic? ... So much for the unsightly and unproductive, energy-robbing Obama Monuments. At least they show us where idiots live."

While wind power skeptics claimed the week's freeze means wind power can't be relied upon, wind turbines like natural gas plants can be "winterized" or modified to operate during very low temperatures. Experts say that many of Texas' power generators have not made those investments necessary to prevent disruptions to equipment since the state does not regularly experience extreme winter storms.

It's estimated that of the grid's total winter capacity, about 80% of it, or 67 gigawatts, could be generated by natural gas, coal and some nuclear power. Only 7% of ERCOT's forecasted winter capacity, or six gigawatts, was expected to come from various wind power sources across the state.

Production of natural gas in the state has plunged due to the freezing conditions, making it difficult for power plants to get the fuel necessary to run the plants. Natural gas power plants usually don't have very much fuel storage on site, experts said. Instead, the plants rely on the constant flow of natural gas from pipelines that run across the state from areas like the oil and natural gas producing Permian Basin in West Texas, to major demand centers like Houston and Dallas.

Gov. Greg Abbott specified that fossil fuel sources were contributing to the problems with the grid when describing the situation Monday afternoon.

"The ability of some companies that generate the power has been frozen. This includes the natural gas & coal generators," he wrote in a tweet.

Heather Zichal, CEO of the industry group the American Clean Power Association, said opponents of renewable energy were trying to distract from the failures elsewhere in the system and slow the "transition to a clean energy future."

"It is disgraceful to see the longtime antagonists of clean power who attack it whether it is raining, snowing or the sun is shining engaging in a politically opportunistic charade misleading Americans to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with restoring power to Texas communities," she said.
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