Wow, you really are Hunter Biden!

Oldbear83 said:

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Wow, you really are Hunter Biden!

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Ok, MAGA boy. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

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Cocaine update: Secret Service is conducting DNA and fingerprint testing as part of their investigation - they would not estimate how long it will take.
 
They are also reportedly reviewing visitor logs and surveillance.

— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) July 5, 2023

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Yep. They have prints and cams and logs and they know exactly who dropped the coke. Will they tell us? It will probably be forced to come out eventually. Does it matter? Not unless it is someone involved with links to power and not just a tourist.

Nice to the see the Washington Post grill the WH press secretary on the topic.

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It's not a tourist.

We'll get the answer after we get the Dobbs decision leaker.

The MSM is not gonna downplay coke in the White H....oh wait, nevermind.

I am 100% ready for the media's "actually doing cocaine in the White House isn't a big deal" hot takes https://t.co/U7VYIV7twq

— Sunny McSunnyface (@sunnyright) July 5, 2023

What did the Biden crime bill say about coke?

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Tell you what Hunter, if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop pretending every claim from the Left is true.

Both impeachments were garbage, for example, and everyone knows it. As for the rest, well, that's piss-poor pathetic how low you will reach to throw something.

But the TDS crowd sold their collective conscience long ago.

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exactly. He gave a perfectly appropriate speech on 6Jan but failed to concede, ergo he is an insurrectionist.

Wisdom and experience would instruct the open mind to presume every allegation about him is a lie

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Oldbear83 said:

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Wow, you really are Hunter Biden!

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Ok, MAGA boy. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

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This is what it means:

In March 1770, a group of British soldiers fired into a mob in Boston, Massachusetts. The mob very nearly killed the soldiers in retaliation, but instead the soldiers were charged with murder.

No one stepped forward to defend the soldiers, at first. It appeared their trial would be swift and fatal.

Then John Adams took their case and defended the soldiers, leading to an acquittal.

Adams despised what the soldiers had done, but he would not see them deprived of representation.

Many of us see Trump's trial in the same way. We are sick of his arrogance, and eager to see someone new lead the GOP in 2024.

But what the Democrats are doing in these contrived persecutions-as-prosecution, is obscene. Even if the defendant is Donald Trump.

What else is obscene, is how so many people claim to love the Rule of Law, but are totally cool with blatant double standards, because the target is Donald Trump.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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We do agree on the Trump part. He is more trouble than he is worth to spend this type of political capital before what could be a pivotal election. He needs to go away, but he won't.

What you seem to miss on the documents indictment is that Trump did it. This is not a case with no standing in law, it is totally within the existing law. This is not a set up, he has the documents - 37 of them. This is not some made up law or charge, petty sure, but real.

Maybe he will get lucky and get a hung jury in South Florida. But like the Ukrainian Conversation impeachment (Petty, but again real), he is giving them all the rope they need by doing stupid things. In my opinion, he will be found guilty IF he has the documents they say. It is hard to make a martyr of someone when they are guilty. This is not the hill to die on for Trump, especially if he did it.

Jan 6th, I defended Trump that he is not criminally liable for what happened. Russia-Gate, the FBI agents should have been fired and charged. There are numerous attacks against him. No question. Fair? No, but doesn't change the fact on what they got on him, if he did it. I liken it to Capone, they couldn't get him on the big stuff, they got him on income tax. Is it right? It is politics and he is a liability.

Dems are play Realpolitik and we are talking right and wrong...

Biden's faulty image is carefully crafted around empathy and compassion and this issue puts enormous cracks in that for 2024, and beyond. It's the kind of thing people talk about presidents 30 years from now. https://t.co/2pUP1i2zev

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) July 6, 2023

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Cobretti said:

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Cocaine update: Secret Service is conducting DNA and fingerprint testing as part of their investigation - they would not estimate how long it will take.
 
They are also reportedly reviewing visitor logs and surveillance.

— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) July 5, 2023

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Yep. They have prints and cams and logs and they know exactly who dropped the coke. Will they tell us? It will probably be forced to come out eventually. Does it matter? Not unless it is someone involved with links to power and not just a tourist.

Nice to the see the Washington Post grill the WH press secretary on the topic.

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The cocainer will go the same way as the SCOTUS leaker, probably.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Tell you what Hunter, if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop pretending every claim from the Left is true.

Both impeachments were garbage, for example, and everyone knows it. As for the rest, well, that's piss-poor pathetic how low you will reach to throw something.

But the TDS crowd sold their collective conscience long ago.

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Did they happen? Was he impeached twice or not? Who is not being truthful...

You keep throwing out this half baked crap that didn't stand up to any scruitny as fact and say facts never happened. You have been watching too many Trump propaganda shows.

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Trump is a jerk, but those impeachment proceedings were garbage, as evidenced by the difference between actual evidence presented and what was touted beforehand.

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Be that as it may, they happened. The GOP couldn't stop it, it occurred.

Trump didn't win the election, he lost by 7 million votes. You can say it never happened all you want, but it does not change what happened.

Trump has documents he shouldn't have. All the postulating how he shouldn't be prosecuted doesn't change the fact he is indicted.

Maybe if the GOP lived in the real world and not what they want it to be. The Dems wouldn't be winning. There is limited value in living in what you want, not what occurred.

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You forgot.... "na na na na na na na, doody head"

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I am talking about Justice. You just want blood.

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I will take it you mean figuratively, not if he is not guilty. If the Courts or Appeals find in his favor, it is done. That is the way justice works...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Tell you what Hunter, if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop pretending every claim from the Left is true.

Both impeachments were garbage, for example, and everyone knows it. As for the rest, well, that's piss-poor pathetic how low you will reach to throw something.

But the TDS crowd sold their collective conscience long ago.

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Did they happen? Was he impeached twice or not? Who is not being truthful...

You keep throwing out this half baked crap that didn't stand up to any scruitny as fact and say facts never happened. You have been watching too many Trump propaganda shows.

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Trump is a jerk, but those impeachment proceedings were garbage, as evidenced by the difference between actual evidence presented and what was touted beforehand.

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Be that as it may, they happened. The GOP couldn't stop it, it occurred.

Trump didn't win the election, he lost by 7 million votes. You can say it never happened all you want, but it does not change what happened.

Trump has documents he shouldn't have. All the postulating how he shouldn't be prosecuted doesn't change the fact he is indicted.

Maybe if the GOP lived in the real world and not what they want it to be. The Dems wouldn't be winning. There is limited value in living in what you want, not what occurred.

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You forgot.... "na na na na na na na, doody head"

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Thank you for pointing that out. Without that it wasn't the "best post ever" read by the most people. (Just channeling my inner Trump)

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Oldbear83 said:

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I am talking about Justice. You just want blood.

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I will take it you mean figuratively, not if he is not guilty. If the Courts or Appeals find in his favor, it is done. That is the way justice works...

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Harassment is not 'Justice'.

Suppose there was a District Attorney who hated you, and got you arrested over and over on completely bogus charges.

Suppose every time, the jury finds you 'not guilty'.

Is it 'Justice' for that DA to use his office to get you indicted, just because he can?

And suppose that DA is able to use all those crap indictments to make you look bad, after all so many indictments must mean you are guilty of something? Maybe you get a jury which can't find you guilty on the facts, but does find you guilty because they were shown so much smoke they assume there has to be fire.

After the crap impeachments, the years of spying (literally, it turns out) by the DOJ on Trump, the fake dossier, and endless 'investigations' that were based on nothing but spite, no reasonable person should consider any indictment to be an example of proper process.

But some are willing to accept it, solely because they like seeing Trump accused. These people imagine that the wolves will never come to their door.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Tell you what Hunter, if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop pretending every claim from the Left is true.

Both impeachments were garbage, for example, and everyone knows it. As for the rest, well, that's piss-poor pathetic how low you will reach to throw something.

But the TDS crowd sold their collective conscience long ago.

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Did they happen? Was he impeached twice or not? Who is not being truthful...

You keep throwing out this half baked crap that didn't stand up to any scruitny as fact and say facts never happened. You have been watching too many Trump propaganda shows.

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Trump is a jerk, but those impeachment proceedings were garbage, as evidenced by the difference between actual evidence presented and what was touted beforehand.

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Be that as it may, they happened. The GOP couldn't stop it, it occurred.

Trump didn't win the election, he lost by 7 million votes. You can say it never happened all you want, but it does not change what happened.

Trump has documents he shouldn't have. All the postulating how he shouldn't be prosecuted doesn't change the fact he is indicted.

Maybe if the GOP lived in the real world and not what they want it to be. The Dems wouldn't be winning. There is limited value in living in what you want, not what occurred.

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You forgot.... "na na na na na na na, doody head"

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Thank you for pointing that out. Without that it wasn't the "best post ever" read by the most people. (Just channeling my inner Trump)

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Shouldn't be hard to channel your inner Trump. After all, he lives rent free in your head.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I am talking about Justice. You just want blood.

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I will take it you mean figuratively, not if he is not guilty. If the Courts or Appeals find in his favor, it is done. That is the way justice works...

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Harassment is not 'Justice'.

Suppose there was a District Attorney who hated you, and got you arrested over and over on completely bogus charges.

Suppose every time, the jury finds you 'not guilty'.

Is it 'Justice' for that DA to use his office to get you indicted, just because he can?

And suppose that DA is able to use all those crap indictments to make you look bad, after all so many indictments must mean you are guilty of something? Maybe you get a jury which can't find you guilty on the facts, but does find you guilty because they were shown so much smoke they assume there has to be fire.

After the crap impeachments, the years of spying (literally, it turns out) by the DOJ on Trump, the fake dossier, and endless 'investigations' that were based on nothing but spite, no reasonable person should consider any indictment to be an example of proper process.

But some are willing to accept it, solely because they like seeing Trump accused. These people imagine that the wolves will never come to their door.

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He has the documents and didn't give them back. This is not harassment or supposition. They got a warrant, went in, got them, showed a Grand Jury and indicted. There is no harassment here. Or, in typical MAGA fashion the FBI, multiple judges, multiple jury members are all in on the conspiracy...

If you think you are trolling, I can do this for months...

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Oldbear83 said:

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Tell you what Hunter, if you want people to take you seriously, maybe stop pretending every claim from the Left is true.

Both impeachments were garbage, for example, and everyone knows it. As for the rest, well, that's piss-poor pathetic how low you will reach to throw something.

But the TDS crowd sold their collective conscience long ago.

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Did they happen? Was he impeached twice or not? Who is not being truthful...

You keep throwing out this half baked crap that didn't stand up to any scruitny as fact and say facts never happened. You have been watching too many Trump propaganda shows.

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Trump is a jerk, but those impeachment proceedings were garbage, as evidenced by the difference between actual evidence presented and what was touted beforehand.

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Be that as it may, they happened. The GOP couldn't stop it, it occurred.

Trump didn't win the election, he lost by 7 million votes. You can say it never happened all you want, but it does not change what happened.

Trump has documents he shouldn't have. All the postulating how he shouldn't be prosecuted doesn't change the fact he is indicted.

Maybe if the GOP lived in the real world and not what they want it to be. The Dems wouldn't be winning. There is limited value in living in what you want, not what occurred.

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You forgot.... "na na na na na na na, doody head"

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Thank you for pointing that out. Without that it wasn't the "best post ever" read by the most people. (Just channeling my inner Trump)

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Shouldn't be hard to channel your inner Trump. After all, he lives rent free in your head.

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Nah, just love dealing with conspiracy idiots.

Look at your first sentence.

This is a documents dispute, which could and should have been addressed under the PRA.

And those documents were kept in a secure location behind locked doors and a location which was guarded by federal agents. There was no risk here.

Which - any reasonable person would say - raises the question as to why the Archives demanded those documents from Trump, something notably not done with prior former Presidents (and we know from the brief discussion from discovery of classified documents at numerous other officials' offices and residences, the protocols and procedures were not strictly enforced before 2022), and just why an armed raid by dozens of federal agents was ordered, and by whom.

You keep pretending Trump is some gang-banger and not a former President of the United States, whose behavior regarding documents is actually consistent with other former officials.

We can agree that Donald Trump is arrogant and should have just let the Archives have the documents they wanted. Only a complete a-hole would pretend this is something he should go to prison for.

What? https://t.co/M57V4aLeN7

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) July 6, 2023

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What? https://t.co/M57V4aLeN7

— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) July 6, 2023

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um, the hatch act is supposed to protect govt employees from political coersion.. clearly an issue in the Biden admin.

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Look at your first sentence.

This is a documents dispute, which could and should have been addressed under the PRA.

And those documents were kept in a secure location behind locked doors and a location which was guarded by federal agents. There was no risk here.

Which - any reasonable person would say - raises the question as to why the Archives demanded those documents from Trump, something notably not done with prior former Presidents (and we know from the brief discussion from discovery of classified documents at numerous other officials' offices and residences, the protocols and procedures were not strictly enforced before 2022), and just why an armed raid by dozens of federal agents was ordered, and by whom.

You keep pretending Trump is some gang-banger and not a former President of the United States, whose behavior regarding documents is actually consistent with other former officials.

We can agree that Donald Trump is arrogant and should have just let the Archives have the documents they wanted. Only a complete a-hole would pretend this is something he should go to prison for.

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I won't touch the "gang banger" comment... If you want to get philosophical, the President should be the first person under the law, not above it. But, I know you don't agree with that, at least for Donny-boy.

Who said anything about prison, he will get probation. I can't imagine a former President getting jail time unless he does something really stupid!

If you are right, should see a quick motion to dismiss and Trump has more political ammo.

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Look at your first sentence.

This is a documents dispute, which could and should have been addressed under the PRA.

And those documents were kept in a secure location behind locked doors and a location which was guarded by federal agents. There was no risk here.

Which - any reasonable person would say - raises the question as to why the Archives demanded those documents from Trump, something notably not done with prior former Presidents (and we know from the brief discussion from discovery of classified documents at numerous other officials' offices and residences, the protocols and procedures were not strictly enforced before 2022), and just why an armed raid by dozens of federal agents was ordered, and by whom.

You keep pretending Trump is some gang-banger and not a former President of the United States, whose behavior regarding documents is actually consistent with other former officials.

We can agree that Donald Trump is arrogant and should have just let the Archives have the documents they wanted. Only a complete a-hole would pretend this is something he should go to prison for.

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I won't touch the "gang banger" comment... If you want to get philosophical, the President should be the first person under the law, not above it. But, I know you don't agree with that, at least for Donny-boy.

Who said anything about prison, he will get probation. I can't imagine a former President getting jail time unless he does something really stupid!

If you are right, should see a quick motion to dismiss and Trump has more political ammo.

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Feds are pushing the envelope quite hard and may yet give some opportunities to the defense.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lawyer-witness-trump-docs-probe-alleges-prosecutorial-misconduct-rcna88472

"he will get probation"

Seriously? You think the Democrats went to all this trouble for probation?

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Look at your first sentence.

This is a documents dispute, which could and should have been addressed under the PRA.

And those documents were kept in a secure location behind locked doors and a location which was guarded by federal agents. There was no risk here.

Which - any reasonable person would say - raises the question as to why the Archives demanded those documents from Trump, something notably not done with prior former Presidents (and we know from the brief discussion from discovery of classified documents at numerous other officials' offices and residences, the protocols and procedures were not strictly enforced before 2022), and just why an armed raid by dozens of federal agents was ordered, and by whom.

You keep pretending Trump is some gang-banger and not a former President of the United States, whose behavior regarding documents is actually consistent with other former officials.

We can agree that Donald Trump is arrogant and should have just let the Archives have the documents they wanted. Only a complete a-hole would pretend this is something he should go to prison for.

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I won't touch the "gang banger" comment... If you want to get philosophical, the President should be the first person under the law, not above it. But, I know you don't agree with that, at least for Donny-boy.

Who said anything about prison, he will get probation. I can't imagine a former President getting jail time unless he does something really stupid!

If you are right, should see a quick motion to dismiss and Trump has more political ammo.

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Feds are pushing the envelope quite hard and may yet give some opportunities to the defense.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lawyer-witness-trump-docs-probe-alleges-prosecutorial-misconduct-rcna88472

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Will be interesting to see. Typically, when they choose a hometown venue for the trial, a judge that is sympathetic and pushing this hard. They think it is a slam dunk. I know they said Trump had trouble getting a Florida attorney.

If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over.

NEW: The White House is now claiming the cocaine was found "in a much more secure place ... near the Situation Room" and next to "where, for example, the vice president's vehicle is parked." pic.twitter.com/N17r8YJyVV

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 6, 2023

.@jasoninthehouse on West Wing Cocaine: "The Secret Service...knows at this point who this person is." pic.twitter.com/B8bJWlVY0F

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) July 6, 2023

MSNBC: "We might not even get to learn who actually brought" cocaine to the White House because the area it was said to be found "wasn't necessarily covered by cameras all that well." pic.twitter.com/eQJkWFtNme

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 6, 2023

The White House cocaine whodunit took another turn on Thursday when those "involved in the White House cocaine inquiry" changed their story about where the bag of blow was found.https://t.co/KrYw6RCqRC

— Spencer Brown (@itsSpencerBrown) July 6, 2023

FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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Noted. I was speculating on what would happen. Didn't mean to imply that you said it would be dismissed. Sorry, sloppy wording.

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FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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Noted. I was speculating on what would happen. Didn't mean to imply that you said it would be dismissed. Sorry, sloppy wording.

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Years from now, the whole thing will be recast as Stupid Lawyer Tricks. Question is, will anyone laugh?

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FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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Noted. I was speculating on what would happen. Didn't mean to imply that you said it would be dismissed. Sorry, sloppy wording.

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Years from now, the whole thing will be recast as Stupid Lawyer Tricks. Question is, will anyone laugh?

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Not saying you are wrong. If Smith has this thing dismissed or loses on appeal, it will go down as a political witch hunt. All depends on what they found.

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FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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Noted. I was speculating on what would happen. Didn't mean to imply that you said it would be dismissed. Sorry, sloppy wording.

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Years from now, the whole thing will be recast as Stupid Lawyer Tricks. Question is, will anyone laugh?

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Not saying you are wrong. If Smith has this thing dismissed or loses on appeal, it will go down as a political witch hunt. All depends on what they found.

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You might want to look at Smith's track record on appeals. Dude is not exactly an All-Star for making decisions stand.

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FLBear: "If it is as Oldbear says, it will last one day. Motion to dismiss and its over"

I am on record saying this will be settled on appeal.

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Noted. I was speculating on what would happen. Didn't mean to imply that you said it would be dismissed. Sorry, sloppy wording.

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Years from now, the whole thing will be recast as Stupid Lawyer Tricks. Question is, will anyone laugh?

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Not saying you are wrong. If Smith has this thing dismissed or loses on appeal, it will go down as a political witch hunt. All depends on what they found.

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You might want to look at Smith's track record on appeals. Dude is not exactly an All-Star for making decisions stand.

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You are correct there.

Ok,
Judge found probable cause for search warrant
FBI found docs
Grand Jury found probable cause for a trial
Judge was appointed and
It has not been dismissed

If there is to be any credibility, the process has to play out. Smith will have his shot. We can't pick and choose if the process is met or we become a banana republic. I want to see the process play out.

And I do believe Trump brings on his own drama...