Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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Booray said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

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Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

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Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

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Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

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And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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Booray said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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Booray said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Translation-I don't have the evidence I claim to.

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

---

Rawhide said:

---

Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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Booray said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Then tell me what you respond to? Simple requests for facts from you get met with insults.

You are wrong, sir. Prove yourself right, sir.

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

---

Rawhide said:

---

Booray said:

---

Friscobear said:

---

Booray said:

---

How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Then tell me what you respond to? Simple requests for facts from you get met with insults.

You are wrong, sir. Prove yourself right, sir.

---

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you're so smart, I'm sure you can figure out google

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

---

Rawhide said:

---

Booray said:

---

Friscobear said:

---

Booray said:

---

How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Then tell me what you respond to? Simple requests for facts from you get met with insults.

You are wrong, sir. Prove yourself right, sir.

---

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you're so smart, I'm sure you can figure out google

---

It doesn't take smarts to use Google and see that undocumented immigrants don't vote in federal elections. https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-dont-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers They are allowed to vote in some town and municipal elections.

This is where you use Google to prove your point.

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

---

Rawhide said:

---

Booray said:

---

Friscobear said:

---

Booray said:

---

How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Then tell me what you respond to? Simple requests for facts from you get met with insults.

You are wrong, sir. Prove yourself right, sir.

---

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you're so smart, I'm sure you can figure out google

---

It doesn't take smarts to use Google and see that undocumented immigrants don't vote in federal elections. https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-dont-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers They are allowed to vote in some town and municipal elections.

This is where you use Google to prove your point.

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You're on odd duck with the fights you try to pick.

Illegals have voted and dems (you) want to make it easier so those numbers will rise and not only become more detectable but make an outright difference - bigly.

You know squish, if you have on operable tumor it's best to take care of it early before it grows into something erradicate.

Like I said, you're strange. Now move along, clown.

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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quash said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

---

Rawhide said:

---

Booray said:

---

Friscobear said:

---

Booray said:

---

How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

---

I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

---

And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

---

Very easy to obtain, actually.

---

No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Lol, Democrat hogwash. In the same breath where you think undocumented immigrants vote.

---

And you believe they haven't.... you're an idiot

---

Less than a dozen and yet enough to put you into a perma-meltdown.

If I'm an idiot prove me wrong. I double dog dare ya. I won't even hold you to 2022: take a decade.

---

You're like a little gnat. "I double dog dare ya", how old are you?

Grow up child

---

Then tell me what you respond to? Simple requests for facts from you get met with insults.

You are wrong, sir. Prove yourself right, sir.

---

Sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. If you're so smart, I'm sure you can figure out google

---

It doesn't take smarts to use Google and see that undocumented immigrants don't vote in federal elections. https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-dont-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers They are allowed to vote in some town and municipal elections.

This is where you use Google to prove your point.

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Florda_mike said:

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With you insults come natural


You're a ****ing idiot

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Oldbear83 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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With you insults come natural


You're a ****ing idiot

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Florda, if you were going for the most ironic post of the month, I think you won

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Florda_mike said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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With you insults come natural


You're a ****ing idiot

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Florda, if you were going for the most ironic post of the month, I think you won

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Why did you edit my post Mr Passive?

Takes away what I meant

Is that what you intende? I'm guessing so

Pretty dishonest

Ironically we see pretty much eye to eye just express it differently

I just believe reasoning with these fools wastes my time

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future."

BS. The DPS is open today for walk-ins.

Driving tests need to be scheduled, simple ID is walk-in if you want.

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The DPS website explains it.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/news/dps-expanding-hours-select-driver-license-offices

Summary:

Only selected offices are open extended hours (either one weekday evening or on Saturday). Those openings are based on built up demand from the offices being closed during the pandemic and the hours are not permanent. And when they say "selected offices" they mean offices in urban centers. Large urban centers. The Waco office is Monday through Friday only, closes at 5:00. As are the vast majority of offices in Texas.

Next, there is no walk-in. All services are by appointment only. It may be possible that you can walk-in and schedule an immediate appointment but that is complete luck of the draw. And as I said, in Waco the appointments are backed up for more than a month.

You can believe what the DPS says about it own procedures or you can continue living in a fantasy world where climate change doesn't happen, cutting taxes decreases deficits, Trump got more votes than Biden and it takes 15 minutes to get an ID card. Don't really care which reality you choose.

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Go get a passport then. On-line application and a trip to the post office.

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Passport costs $110.00. Should not have to pay that to vote

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You are not paying $110 to vote. You are paying $110 for a passport. And, yes, you should pay $110 for your photo ID if you cannot be bothered to wait it out and pay $20 at the DMV for a DL or ID.


White Liberals Watch In Amazement As Black Man Acquires ID

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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curtpenn said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future."

BS. The DPS is open today for walk-ins.

Driving tests need to be scheduled, simple ID is walk-in if you want.

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The DPS website explains it.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/news/dps-expanding-hours-select-driver-license-offices

Summary:

Only selected offices are open extended hours (either one weekday evening or on Saturday). Those openings are based on built up demand from the offices being closed during the pandemic and the hours are not permanent. And when they say "selected offices" they mean offices in urban centers. Large urban centers. The Waco office is Monday through Friday only, closes at 5:00. As are the vast majority of offices in Texas.

Next, there is no walk-in. All services are by appointment only. It may be possible that you can walk-in and schedule an immediate appointment but that is complete luck of the draw. And as I said, in Waco the appointments are backed up for more than a month.

You can believe what the DPS says about it own procedures or you can continue living in a fantasy world where climate change doesn't happen, cutting taxes decreases deficits, Trump got more votes than Biden and it takes 15 minutes to get an ID card. Don't really care which reality you choose.

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Go get a passport then. On-line application and a trip to the post office.

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Passport costs $110.00. Should not have to pay that to vote

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You are not paying $110 to vote. You are paying $110 for a passport. And, yes, you should pay $110 for your photo ID if you cannot be bothered to wait it out and pay $20 at the DMV for a DL or ID.


White Liberals Watch In Amazement As Black Man Acquires ID

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I'd gladly pay $110 to renew my TDL if it meant not having wait at the DMV. What a beating.

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Booray said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future."

BS. The DPS is open today for walk-ins.

Driving tests need to be scheduled, simple ID is walk-in if you want.

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The DPS website explains it.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/news/dps-expanding-hours-select-driver-license-offices

Summary:

Only selected offices are open extended hours (either one weekday evening or on Saturday). Those openings are based on built up demand from the offices being closed during the pandemic and the hours are not permanent. And when they say "selected offices" they mean offices in urban centers. Large urban centers. The Waco office is Monday through Friday only, closes at 5:00. As are the vast majority of offices in Texas.

Next, there is no walk-in. All services are by appointment only. It may be possible that you can walk-in and schedule an immediate appointment but that is complete luck of the draw. And as I said, in Waco the appointments are backed up for more than a month.

You can believe what the DPS says about it own procedures or you can continue living in a fantasy world where climate change doesn't happen, cutting taxes decreases deficits, Trump got more votes than Biden and it takes 15 minutes to get an ID card. Don't really care which reality you choose.

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Go get a passport then. On-line application and a trip to the post office.

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Passport costs $110.00. Should not have to pay that to vote

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You are not paying $110 to vote. You are paying $110 for a passport. And, yes, you should pay $110 for your photo ID if you cannot be bothered to wait it out and pay $20 at the DMV for a DL or ID.


White Liberals Watch In Amazement As Black Man Acquires ID

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I'd gladly pay $110 to renew my TDL if it meant not having wait at the DMV. What a beating.

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That is the point of the argument. One should not have to endure beating to get the necessary document to vote.

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

---

Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

---

Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

---

Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

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J.R. said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

---

Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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we can tell you ain't a party kinda guy. Boring

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Bexar Pitts said:

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Bottom line is that this current Texas Legislative session ends May 31st. If the House doesn't accept the Senate's amendments, I think the Bill will have to go back to Committee and there probably isn't enough time to get it negotiated out, approved , and to the Gov's desk. We'll see what happens. One of you more astute political board members can correct me if I'm wrong.

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

---

Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

---

What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

---

I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

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This is why culture is critically important. Rule of law is overrated.

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

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This is why culture is critically important. Rule of law is overrated.

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And when you've lost the culture, what protects you?

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

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Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

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The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

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I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

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And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

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Very easy to obtain, actually.

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No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

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My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

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I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

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Actually it is a GOP talking point:

https://www.kaporcenter.org/florida-gop-leaders-admit-voter-suppression-was-motive-behind-voter-laws/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/supreme-court-gop-attorney-defends-voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/03/26/no-more-pretending-republicans-admit-vote-restrictions-are-all-about-winning/

https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2021/03/02/arizona-gop-lawyer-admits-real-reason-wants-election-reform/6895380002/

I could post twenty more, but you get the point. Its not a secret-the GOP wants to suppress turnout because suppression helps it win. That is uncomfortable for you to admit but it is the absolute truth as evidenced by GOP strategists and lawyers saying that exact thing over and over.

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Opinion pieces with speculation and taking what was said out of context.

The truth is that the democrats want to make it easy to cast illegal votes. They have zero concern for the integrity of our elections.

I won't bother to post links to various articles or opinion pieces where a democrat admitted to committing voter fraud.

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One of those quotes was from an argument made at The Supreme Court. You can't admit the truth of what these people said because it is immoral and it makes your argument immoral.

So you say "out of context" and "it was mentioned in an opinion piece" like that somehow changes the meaning of the words that GOP strategists and lawyers used. Straight up denial of the facts, jus like the straight up denial that millions more American citizens eligible and registered to vote cast their ballots for Joe Biden over Donald Trump.

Pathetic that the GOP has become a party of fantasists.

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the democrats have become a party of nothing more than a mob made up unhinged anti-american communists that believe America is the worst country in the world, responsible for all of mankind's ills.

democrats care nothing about the people they took an oath to serve. They only care about power and money and power.

The stooges on the left are nothing more than their pawns.

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

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This is why culture is critically important. Rule of law is overrated.

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And when you've lost the culture, what protects you?

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

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The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

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We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

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Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

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E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

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What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

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I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

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How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

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This is why culture is critically important. Rule of law is overrated.

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And when you've lost the culture, what protects you?

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Guns and/or force of arms and the willingness to use them. Mao was correct in that political power grows from the barrel of a gun.

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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curtpenn said:

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Booray said:

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Carlos Cruz said:

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Booray said:

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Don't be disingenuous. The conversation is about how difficult and/or expensive it is to get a voting ID. The passport was suggested as an alternative to the driver's license/ID card process because DPS is difficult to access. Growl Towel makes the point that passports are more easily accessed. At a cost of $110.00. We are only having this discussion based on the use of the document as a voter ID so, yes the person would be paying $110.00 for a passport so he or she could vote. Should not have to do that.

Again, I am fine with voter ID laws so long as those voter IDs are readily accessible, The answer to the issue is to either fund DPS to allow weekend and after work visits, make sure that someone with proper paperwork can get an ID on a drop-in basis in a reasonable time (say an hour) and make sure DPS offices are within a reasonable distance of all Texans. Where DPS cannot meet that criteria, empower another government entity or private entity that can.

Of course, that answer is built on the assumption that those advocating for voter ID are actually concerned about vote fraud despite their inability to find it anywhere. We all know the assumption is incorrect-voter ID proponents are just trying to win elections by making it hard to vote.

It is a despicable and anti-American tactic.

---

The only thing that is dispicable and anti-American is thinking that someone cannot suffer a little expense and inconvenience to be able to vote. You think pretty little of both your fellow American and the voting franchise.

---

We outlawed poll taxes a long time ago. And I think I made it clear I don't mind a "little inconvenience" but the system currently (at least in Texas) imposes more than that.

Why are you so afraid of people voting?

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Simple; too many of them are idiots with no shared cultural values.

---

Anyone who doesn't share you cultural values is an "idiot." Bet you are a ton of fun at parties.

---

E Pluribus Unum is a thing to some of us. Couldn't care less what color you are or where you're from, but if you don't share my values and you threaten our freedoms you are the enemy. Anyone who supports the regressive agenda is a threat. That threat should be taken seriously.

For the record, never been much of a party kind of guy. Full bore INTJ and content.

---

What values must I share with you to escape being your enemy?

BTW, you are unhinged.

---

I am the opposite of unhinged; just able to take a critical look at things and draw logical conclusions and not afraid to voice an opinion. As to values, let's start with securing borders, rejecting identity politics, supporting limited government at all levels (particularly at the Federal level), vigorously support the 1st and 2nd amendments, require originalist judges, keep your hands off my money, and mind your own business. That'll do for a start.

---

How are you going to enforce all of that without the rule of law? Once we're rid of those pesky elections, does the other side just give up and do everything our way?

---

This is why culture is critically important. Rule of law is overrated.

---

And when you've lost the culture, what protects you?

---

Guns and/or force of arms and the willingness to use them. Mao was correct in that political power grows from the barrel of a gun.

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I highly recommend an examination of Catholic teaching on this point.

https://catholicexchange.com/121409

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Porteroso said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Friscobear said:

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Booray said:

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How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"

---

Those two things are not even close in difficulty.

If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.

---

The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.

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I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to voting

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And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.

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Very easy to obtain, actually.

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No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:

[ol]

Complete the identification card application

Make an appointment at a driver license office.

Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]

Application

U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence

Texas Residency

Identity, and

Social Security Number

[/ol]

Provide your thumbprints.

Have your picture taken.

Pay the application

[/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?

Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.

---

My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.

Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.

So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.

The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.

If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.

---

I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.

The dnc talking point of the GOP trying to keep black people from voting is pure hogwash and you know it.

---

Actually it is a GOP talking point:

https://www.kaporcenter.org/florida-gop-leaders-admit-voter-suppression-was-motive-behind-voter-laws/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/supreme-court-gop-attorney-defends-voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/03/26/no-more-pretending-republicans-admit-vote-restrictions-are-all-about-winning/

https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2021/03/02/arizona-gop-lawyer-admits-real-reason-wants-election-reform/6895380002/

I could post twenty more, but you get the point. Its not a secret-the GOP wants to suppress turnout because suppression helps it win. That is uncomfortable for you to admit but it is the absolute truth as evidenced by GOP strategists and lawyers saying that exact thing over and over.

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Opinion pieces with speculation and taking what was said out of context.

The truth is that the democrats want to make it easy to cast illegal votes. They have zero concern for the integrity of our elections.

I won't bother to post links to various articles or opinion pieces where a democrat admitted to committing voter fraud.

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One of those quotes was from an argument made at The Supreme Court. You can't admit the truth of what these people said because it is immoral and it makes your argument immoral.

So you say "out of context" and "it was mentioned in an opinion piece" like that somehow changes the meaning of the words that GOP strategists and lawyers used. Straight up denial of the facts, jus like the straight up denial that millions more American citizens eligible and registered to vote cast their ballots for Joe Biden over Donald Trump.

Pathetic that the GOP has become a party of fantasists.

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the democrats have become a party of nothing more than a mob made up unhinged anti-american communists that believe America is the worst country in the world, responsible for all of mankind's ills.

democrats care nothing about the people they took an oath to serve. They only care about power and money and power.

The stooges on the left are nothing more than their pawns.

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This is as close to admitting you are wrong as you ever get I think. When all reason fails, fall back on calling half the country evil.

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