We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
They are ....though DC phrases it better.clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Obviously this is not true. Even your small brain can list plenty of examples where we valued society over personal freedoms.D. C. Bear said:clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
"Their rights" are not "more important than society as a whole," their rights are society as a whole.
If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
To answer your earlier question ........in my opinion such executive orders violate Articles 9 and 10 of the Bill of Rights .Osodecentx said:A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
Public schools do it, military does it, federal government does it (federal employees) cities can impose it on municipal employees.
Unchecked? The Biden vaccine mandate is in court and government mandate will lose. The voters can turn the *******s out.
Citizens don't have unchecked power. They can't impose centric scientific/medical theories on anyone they choose. They can't impose eccentric religious practices on society.
Osodecentx said:A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
Public schools do it, military does it, federal government does it (federal employees) cities can impose it on municipal employees.
Unchecked? The Biden vaccine mandate is in court and government mandate will lose. The voters can turn the *******s out.
Citizens don't have unchecked power. They can't impose centric scientific/medical theories on anyone they choose. They can't impose eccentric religious practices on society.
I'm not seeing the violation of the 9th or 10th Amendments. I'm ready to learn though.Canada2017 said:To answer your earlier question ........in my opinion such executive orders violate Articles 9 and 10 of the Bill of Rights .Osodecentx said:A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
Public schools do it, military does it, federal government does it (federal employees) cities can impose it on municipal employees.
Unchecked? The Biden vaccine mandate is in court and government mandate will lose. The voters can turn the *******s out.
Citizens don't have unchecked power. They can't impose centric scientific/medical theories on anyone they choose. They can't impose eccentric religious practices on society.
If the government mandate's loss in court is a foregone conclusion ........it was a cynically dishonest action on the part of the Biden administration to begin with . And tens of thousands of hard working people will be adversely affected.
What government is ruling by emergency decree? UCLA (state actor) or Biden mandate on private employers?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
Public schools do it, military does it, federal government does it (federal employees) cities can impose it on municipal employees.
Unchecked? The Biden vaccine mandate is in court and government mandate will lose. The voters can turn the *******s out.
Citizens don't have unchecked power. They can't impose centric scientific/medical theories on anyone they choose. They can't impose eccentric religious practices on society.
Not specific to hospitals or vaccines, but broader principles involved. When government can rule unchecked by emergency decree, it stops being government and starts being tyranny.
Emoticon is inadvertent.
Many employers were coerced into their employee mandates because they were sub contractors on various work projects of the federal government .Osodecentx said:I'm not seeing the violation of the 9th or 10th Amendments. I'm ready to learn though.Canada2017 said:To answer your earlier question ........in my opinion such executive orders violate Articles 9 and 10 of the Bill of Rights .Osodecentx said:A government employer (hospital) can't require a vaccine?D. C. Bear said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
UCLA is government, but that's not really the point. The broader issue is expansion of unchecked government power.
Public schools do it, military does it, federal government does it (federal employees) cities can impose it on municipal employees.
Unchecked? The Biden vaccine mandate is in court and government mandate will lose. The voters can turn the *******s out.
Citizens don't have unchecked power. They can't impose centric scientific/medical theories on anyone they choose. They can't impose eccentric religious practices on society.
If the government mandate's loss in court is a foregone conclusion ........it was a cynically dishonest action on the part of the Biden administration to begin with . And tens of thousands of hard working people will be adversely affected.
Absolutely cynically dishonest action by the Administration. Now, we are discussing two different mandates; the Biden mandate on private employers and the employers mandating that employees be mandated. The first is, in my opinion, illegal. The 2nd is legal, but we can talk about whether it should be done.
Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
If you don't post a link, it didn't happenFreedomb3ar said:Osodecentx said:Which of the Bill of Rights is violated?Canada2017 said:My friendOsodecentx said:If I am a patient of the doctor in question, do I have rights?Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
Does the hospital (employer) have rights to protect its legal interests?
The doctor does not have the right to impose his eccentric scientific/medical theories on patients and other employees. What, exactly, is his freedom interest under the Constitution or laws?
If the government is allowed to coerce people ( already hired ) into getting inoculated with a relatively new vaccine that they have sincere concerns about ....or lose their only source of income .......an extremely dangerous precedent has been established .
And the Bill of Rights clearly violated .
Doesn't take much foresight to see a similar action in the near future with gun owners , private property owners , or Christians .
Its been done before throughout the world .
We already require certain actions of gun owners, private property owners, & Christians.
Guns may be prohibited on any property.
Private property may be condemned and taken by government for a public use.
Christians who refuse to allow their children to receive medical treatment may lose those children.
I agree that the Biden vaccine mandate is illegal and I believe the courts will rule that way. However, an employer may require a vaccination as a condition of continued employment. That is the right of the employer, not the government.
Btw, moderna vax banned in a few more countries this last week. We're not talking hell hole Type countries either
Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs
4th and Inches said:
There are hundreds of people like this.. this is what you are fighting. This vax was used as a political tool.
The mandates are political tools. Govt funding requires compliance. Look to see who is complying and who gets govt funds. Healthcare(check), airlines(check), govt contractors like L3 in waco(check)..
I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)Oldbear83 said:Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs
The same ppl who support the Texas abortion law making medical decisions for women about abortion are also screaming blooding murder about vaccine requirements when the stated purpose of both of those mandates is to save lives. Go figure.clubhi said:Obviously this is not true. Even your small brain can list plenty of examples where we valued society over personal freedoms.D. C. Bear said:clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
"Their rights" are not "more important than society as a whole," their rights are society as a whole.
They are supporting making medical decisions for babies. Go figure.J.B.Katz said:The same ppl who support the Texas abortion law making medical decisions for women about abortion are also screaming blooding murder about vaccine requirements when the stated purpose of both of those mandates is to save lives. Go figure.clubhi said:Obviously this is not true. Even your small brain can list plenty of examples where we valued society over personal freedoms.D. C. Bear said:clubhi said:We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.Canada2017 said:
I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.
These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.
This **** goes way beyond Covid .
"Their rights" are not "more important than society as a whole," their rights are society as a whole.
Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.cms186 said:I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)Oldbear83 said:Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs
Just out of curiosity, what is your medical experience (your experience, not a relative's)?Oldbear83 said:Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.cms186 said:I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)Oldbear83 said:Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs
I worked as a third-party health insurance claims administrator for seven years, which included diagnosis and treatment training at Houston-area medical facilities.Osodecentx said:Just out of curiosity, what is your medical experience (your experience, not a relative's)?Oldbear83 said:Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.cms186 said:I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)Oldbear83 said:Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs
Even those who had the virus already, and who therefore have far more antibodies already than the vaccine could offer?Harrison Bergeron said:
I does not seem to be unreasonable to ask health care workers to get vaccinated.
just using your argument against youOldbear83 said:Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.cms186 said:I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)Oldbear83 said:Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.cms186 said:
If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs