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I does not seem to be unreasonable to ask health care workers to get vaccinated.

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Even those who had the virus already, and who therefore have far more antibodies already than the vaccine could offer?

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In theory no. However, logistically it is easier to have a binary vaccination y/n vs. tracking antibodies monthly for every non-vaccinated person.

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I does not seem to be unreasonable to ask health care workers to get vaccinated.

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Even those who had the virus already, and who therefore have far more antibodies already than the vaccine could offer?

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In theory no. However, logistically it is easier to have a binary vaccination y/n vs. tracking antibodies monthly for every non-vaccinated person.

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I support vaccination. It's the coercion even against reasonable counters that worries me.

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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No, you're still twisting what I wrote. Doctors have primary and direct knowledge which should count in this debate. Individuals are also capable of looking up claims and data and reaching reasonable conclusions.

Both factor into a rational discussion. Shutting down either is unreasonable and smells of something unacceptable in a free nation.

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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If a medical professional wanted to wait for more data on long term mRNA vaccines before deciding to take one, would that not be following medical science?

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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If a medical professional wanted to wait for more data on long term mRNA vaccines before deciding to take one, would that not be following medical science?

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What about waiting to see the long term effects of vaccines over hundreds of generations, how they may fundamentally alter humanity over 1,000 years? Couldn't you use the same logic to claim never getting any vaccines is "following medical science?"

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I hope people...vaccinated and unvaccinated....finally wake up and see the broader implications here.

These government bureaucrats are destroying our freedoms.

This **** goes way beyond Covid .

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We woke up to a country full of morons thinking their rights are more important than society as a whole.

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"Their rights" are not "more important than society as a whole," their rights are society as a whole.

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Obviously this is not true. Even your small brain can list plenty of examples where we valued society over personal freedoms.

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The same ppl who support the Texas abortion law making medical decisions for women about abortion are also screaming blooding murder about vaccine requirements when the stated purpose of both of those mandates is to save lives. Go figure.

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Funny, the people who are screaming for the gov't to take control of people's medical decisions and force them to get a vax are the same people that are screaming for the gov't to butt out of a women's medical decision to kill a baby.

Oh, the irony.

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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No, you're still twisting what I wrote. Doctors have primary and direct knowledge which should count in this debate. Individuals are also capable of looking up claims and data and reaching reasonable conclusions.

Both factor into a rational discussion. Shutting down either is unreasonable and smells of something unacceptable in a free nation.

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See, now that's a cool story. Well done. Medical school counts for something, but also google is enough to reach "reasonable medical conclusion."

It's true that we can get tons of information, but most medical decisions don't need to be made on a case by case basis. What is good for your heart is probably good for mine. You can think you are making a "reasonable conclusion" after googling around, but maybe the people practicing medicine and not just reading about it on their couch are actually reaching much more reasonable conclusions.

Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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No, you're still twisting what I wrote. Doctors have primary and direct knowledge which should count in this debate. Individuals are also capable of looking up claims and data and reaching reasonable conclusions.

Both factor into a rational discussion. Shutting down either is unreasonable and smells of something unacceptable in a free nation.

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See, now that's a cool story. Well done. Medical school counts for something, but also google is enough to reach "reasonable medical conclusion."

It's true that we can get tons of information, but most medical decisions don't need to be made on a case by case basis. What is good for your heart is probably good for mine. You can think you are making a "reasonable conclusion" after googling around, but maybe the people practicing medicine and not just reading about it on their couch are actually reaching much more reasonable conclusions.

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I do know Dr Fauci made contradictory statements, and on at least one occasion admitted to lying for reasons that had zero to do with science.

Why do you try so hard to shut down discussion? Can't people be allowed to make up their own minds on something so important to their own persons?

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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Just out of curiosity, what is your medical experience (your experience, not a relative's)?

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I worked as a third-party health insurance claims administrator for seven years, which included diagnosis and treatment training at Houston-area medical facilities.

You?

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I'm not criticizing people with no medical experience or credentials.

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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No, you're still twisting what I wrote. Doctors have primary and direct knowledge which should count in this debate. Individuals are also capable of looking up claims and data and reaching reasonable conclusions.

Both factor into a rational discussion. Shutting down either is unreasonable and smells of something unacceptable in a free nation.

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See, now that's a cool story. Well done. Medical school counts for something, but also google is enough to reach "reasonable medical conclusion."

It's true that we can get tons of information, but most medical decisions don't need to be made on a case by case basis. What is good for your heart is probably good for mine. You can think you are making a "reasonable conclusion" after googling around, but maybe the people practicing medicine and not just reading about it on their couch are actually reaching much more reasonable conclusions.

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I do know Dr Fauci made contradictory statements, and on at least one occasion admitted to lying for reasons that had zero to do with science.

Why do you try so hard to shut down discussion? Can't people be allowed to make up their own minds on something so important to their own persons?

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I think it's great to have discussion, but not all information is equal. Take this forum for example. Way more fake news threads about covid than actual truth. And it's just 1 guy that is singlehandedly out posting everyone else. Point is, there are a lot of lies out there.

You, on your couch, cannot sift through all the information on any given medical issue better than the doctors practicing in that area.

Doctors do have contradictory opinions, and there are some sites that are pretty reliable for medical information, but any reliable site will have a disclaimer "this information is not a replacement for an actual diagnosis," and if you are going to make a decision for yourself, you need to do it informed and educated on the subject.

So yes, listen to the opinions by the doctors, ask questions, ask family and friends. But don't ask Florida Mike, and don't think that anything you read is more relevant than what those doctors tell you.

I'm all for informed personal decisions, but please, let the health care industry inform you.

Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You're not getting it. You are saying that being a doctor should count for something, and also anyone can Google their own health care. Both can't be true.

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No, you're still twisting what I wrote. Doctors have primary and direct knowledge which should count in this debate. Individuals are also capable of looking up claims and data and reaching reasonable conclusions.

Both factor into a rational discussion. Shutting down either is unreasonable and smells of something unacceptable in a free nation.

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See, now that's a cool story. Well done. Medical school counts for something, but also google is enough to reach "reasonable medical conclusion."

It's true that we can get tons of information, but most medical decisions don't need to be made on a case by case basis. What is good for your heart is probably good for mine. You can think you are making a "reasonable conclusion" after googling around, but maybe the people practicing medicine and not just reading about it on their couch are actually reaching much more reasonable conclusions.

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I do know Dr Fauci made contradictory statements, and on at least one occasion admitted to lying for reasons that had zero to do with science.

Why do you try so hard to shut down discussion? Can't people be allowed to make up their own minds on something so important to their own persons?

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I think it's great to have discussion, but not all information is equal. Take this forum for example. Way more fake news threads about covid than actual truth. And it's just 1 guy that is singlehandedly out posting everyone else. Point is, there are a lot of lies out there.

You, on your couch, cannot sift through all the information on any given medical issue better than the doctors practicing in that area.

Doctors do have contradictory opinions, and there are some sites that are pretty reliable for medical information, but any reliable site will have a disclaimer "this information is not a replacement for an actual diagnosis," and if you are going to make a decision for yourself, you need to do it informed and educated on the subject.

So yes, listen to the opinions by the doctors, ask questions, ask family and friends. But don't ask Florida Mike, and don't think that anything you read is more relevant than what those doctors tell you.

I'm all for informed personal decisions, but please, let the health care industry inform you.

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Why do you write "the doctors" as if they are speaking in unison?

There's quite the debate among the medical community.

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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Are there any numbers for how many Healthcare workers have refused the vaccine? obviously more than 0, but i havent actually seen numbers.

But to answer the question, yes its mildly interesting, but I think its fair to point out that just because they hold the title of Nurse or Doctor, doesnt automatically make them experts on the Virus, the Vaccine and all that comes with it. For those Healthcare professionals that legitimately have concerns about the fact that the Vaccine has been "rushed to market", then i can sympathise a little, but the sciences shows that the risks are far outweighed by the benefits. I dont know what % of the unvaccinated that is though, i doubt its that high.

Now, what about the point that whilst there might be some dissenting voices in the medical community, the vast majority endorse getting the vaccine, surely we should be listening to them?

I dont care what the Politicians say about the Vaccine, I care about protecting myself and others around me.

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

"the vast majority endorse getting the vaccine"

We don't really know if that is a true statement.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

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Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

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Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

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Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

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"the vast majority endorse getting the vaccine"

We don't really know if that is a true statement.

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Anecdotal, but the Waco TH published an open letter from the McLennan County Medical Society. There were 100s of signees. I've not heard of any Waco doctor claiming the vaccine was potentially dangerous.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I does not seem to be unreasonable to ask health care workers to get vaccinated.

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Even those who had the virus already, and who therefore have far more antibodies already than the vaccine could offer?

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In theory no. However, logistically it is easier to have a binary vaccination y/n vs. tracking antibodies monthly for every non-vaccinated person.

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I support vaccination. It's the coercion even against reasonable counters that worries me.

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I'm with you 100%. I guess I can justify having different requirements for a medical professional vs. an airline pilot.

Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

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Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

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Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

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Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

Oldbear83 said:

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"the vast majority endorse getting the vaccine"

We don't really know if that is a true statement.

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We can have a very high degree of confidence that the vast majority of doctors endorse getting the vaccine (for the vast majority of their patients).

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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"the vast majority endorse getting the vaccine"

We don't really know if that is a true statement.

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Anecdotal, but the Waco TH published an open letter from the McLennan County Medical Society. There were 100s of signees. I've not heard of any Waco doctor claiming the vaccine was potentially dangerous.

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Group pressure is a thing.

Not saying the vaccine is unusually dangerous, but I do think it's irrational to ignore complaints from doctors of all people.

Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

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Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

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Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

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Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

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Partly, but we don't know how important persistence of antibodies is compared with things like T-cell response.

Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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Just out of curiosity, what is your medical experience (your experience, not a relative's)?

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I worked as a third-party health insurance claims administrator for seven years, which included diagnosis and treatment training at Houston-area medical facilities.

You?

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I'm not criticizing people with no medical experience or credentials.

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if you criticize somebody for not taking the vax, you are..

Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

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You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

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Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

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Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

---

Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

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Partly, but we don't know how important persistence of antibodies is compared with things like T-cell response.

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boosting the bodies T8s are what they are looking for when they ask people to vax plus natural antibodies. It only takes a single dose and they find no benefit from second round if already had covid

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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Just out of curiosity, what is your medical experience (your experience, not a relative's)?

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I worked as a third-party health insurance claims administrator for seven years, which included diagnosis and treatment training at Houston-area medical facilities.

You?

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I'm not criticizing people with no medical experience or credentials.

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if you criticize somebody for not taking the vax, you are..

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I'll post links for sure

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

---

You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

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Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

---

Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

---

Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

---

Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

---

Partly, but we don't know how important persistence of antibodies is compared with things like T-cell response.

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boosting the bodies T8s are what they are looking for when they ask people to vax plus natural antibodies. It only takes a single dose and they find no benefit from second round if already had covid

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Link?

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

---

Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

---

Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

---

You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

---

Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

---

Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

---

Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

---

Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

---

Partly, but we don't know how important persistence of antibodies is compared with things like T-cell response.

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boosting the bodies T8s are what they are looking for when they ask people to vax plus natural antibodies. It only takes a single dose and they find no benefit from second round if already had covid

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Link?

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For people who haven't had COVID-19, the first dose powerfully primes the pump, and the second dose turns on the whole enginebut having had COVID-19 is like having had that first vaccine dose already," Wherry said

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

4th and Inches said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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cms186 said:

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If Medical professionals arent willing to follow Medical science, its probably a good thing they are being removed from theirs Jobs

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Funny how many people with no medical experience or credentials count their opinion above that of practicing doctors.

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I completely agree, mainly with regard to all these unvaccinated people who refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask when asked to because they've "done their own research" (which amounts to a few google clicks, a dodgy Youtube video and natterings with a few local nutjobs)

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Nice duck, Imma call you Daffy from now on.

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just using your argument against you

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Wrong. It's entirely possible for a person to do research using open source data, especially since many medical resources are open to the public.

Assuming someone is not doing a proper job of checking facts just because you disagree with them, says more about you than it does about them.

Now back to the point - why are you not interested that so many doctors and nurses are pushing back against the mandate? These are the front line first responders, who know more than anyone else about the virus.

Insulting them is easy but makes you look like you'd rather do what some politician says than listen to people with the most direct training and experience.

---

You say so many. but do you have any data? What % makes up so many?

---

Just from news reports, over 150 nurses and doctors at Methodist Hospital System in Houston refused the vaccine. Similar reports from many other cities and hospitals.

Not sure what % that is, but 4-figure resistance among medical professionals should be counted as something better than "nutjobs".

And reminding you, I support vaccination and and fully vaxed, as is my wife. Just curious about what is going on here. One thing I did hear is that a lot of the nurses worked in close contact with patients last year when there was no vaccine to be had, and many nurses and doctors got COVID as a result.

Now, the same people who were literally the front line against COVID are being threatened with losing their jobs bc of a vaccine they personally don't need because they have immunity the hard way of having gone through the virus. I'm hearing a lot of them are pissed at the disrespect by executives.

---

Those who contracted the disease and have adequate, robust antibodies ought not to be included in a vaccine mandate. The executives should respect that, but should also follow up with testing to insure adequate antibodies. They're going to need the documentation for the lawsuits that will come from patients who allege they contracted Covid in the hospital.

Sounds like the doctors you are referencing don't object to the vaccine, but rather feel it is unnecessary because they got their antibodies the hard way, through Covid

---

Double standard is impractical, plus we're not even sure antibody levels are the best measure of immunity.

---

Aren't we getting vaccinated for the antibody response?

---

Partly, but we don't know how important persistence of antibodies is compared with things like T-cell response.

---

boosting the bodies T8s are what they are looking for when they ask people to vax plus natural antibodies. It only takes a single dose and they find no benefit from second round if already had covid

---

Link?

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For people who haven't had COVID-19, the first dose powerfully primes the pump, and the second dose turns on the whole enginebut having had COVID-19 is like having had that first vaccine dose already," Wherry said

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines

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Good link and on point