Gameday Thread: Baylor welcomes No. 12 Utah to McLane

I didnt know it was legal outsode the sec to hold a wr's arms down before ball got there?? Hmmm...

I'm not sure if the final result would have changed. Even if we managed to tie it up & go into OT, they were playing better than us for all of the second half & our D was gassed. Still, the momentum would have shifted favorably. We will never know.

Yeah, that call is bull**** but there is nothing we could do and even if Baylor caught the touchdown, Baylor would probably lose in overtime anyway

Married A Horn said:

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I didnt know it was legal outsode the sec to hold a wr's arms down before ball got there?? Hmmm...

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Here's how I see it.

First, I spent over a decade as a high school back judge, and what comes into play is not only what the defender does, but also whether the pass was considered catchable, and also the game situation.

To point one, there is no question the defender made improper contact. he clearly grabbed the hips, then one shoulder of the receiver.

However, the pass came in a bit high, so the receiver should have jumped to make a play on it. Instead, the receiver did not appear to know where the ball was, and I am sure that influenced the official.

Finally, officials really are reluctant to be seen as deciding the game, and after having a review which put a second pack on the clock (yes it was the right thing to do) they did not want to appear to be giving Baylor yet another play to try to tie the game or win on a touchdown and 2 point conversion.

I think the biggest part was the receiver not showing awareness of the ball. Without that the official could decide it was not catchable, even though in that case he should have called defensive holding.

You are absolutely spot on about the entire play. The receiver looked lost.

Oldbear83 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I didnt know it was legal outsode the sec to hold a wr's arms down before ball got there?? Hmmm...

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Here's how I see it.

First, I spent over a decade as a high school back judge, and what comes into play is not only what the defender does, but also whether the pass was considered catchable, and also the game situation.

To point one, there is no question the defender made improper contact. he clearly grabbed the hips, then one shoulder of the receiver.

However, the pass came in a bit high, so the receiver should have jumped to make a play on it. Instead, the receiver did not appear to know where the ball was, and I am sure that influenced the official.

Finally, officials really are reluctant to be seen as deciding the game, and after having a review which put a second pack on the clock (yes it was the right thing to do) they did not want to appear to be giving Baylor yet another play to try to tie the game or win on a touchdown and 2 point conversion.

I think the biggest part was the receiver not showing awareness of the ball. Without that the official could decide it was not catchable, even though in that case he should have called defensive holding.

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If they had properly called PI and we won after putting one second back on the clock, would Utah pull a Tom Osborne hissyfit and run off to the Big 10?

MarcelloSwisher said:

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Stop it. I love Gerry but there's a reason why he isn't even starting for South Florida.

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Injury.

whitetrash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I didnt know it was legal outsode the sec to hold a wr's arms down before ball got there?? Hmmm...

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Here's how I see it.

First, I spent over a decade as a high school back judge, and what comes into play is not only what the defender does, but also whether the pass was considered catchable, and also the game situation.

To point one, there is no question the defender made improper contact. he clearly grabbed the hips, then one shoulder of the receiver.

However, the pass came in a bit high, so the receiver should have jumped to make a play on it. Instead, the receiver did not appear to know where the ball was, and I am sure that influenced the official.

Finally, officials really are reluctant to be seen as deciding the game, and after having a review which put a second pack on the clock (yes it was the right thing to do) they did not want to appear to be giving Baylor yet another play to try to tie the game or win on a touchdown and 2 point conversion.

I think the biggest part was the receiver not showing awareness of the ball. Without that the official could decide it was not catchable, even though in that case he should have called defensive holding.

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If they had properly called PI and we won after putting one second back on the clock, would Utah pull a Tom Osborne hissyfit and run off to the Big 10?

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No because the Big 10 won't have them. That's why they are coming to the Big 12 next year.

WR Ketron Jackson on the last play and whether there should have been a flag: "I can't really speak on that too much. I just have to make a play on the ball, I put that on myself.

— Craig Smoak (@CraigSmoak) September 9, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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WR Ketron Jackson on the last play and whether there should have been a flag: "I can't really speak on that too much. I just have to make a play on the ball, I put that on myself.

— Craig Smoak (@CraigSmoak) September 9, 2023

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Good for him for being honest

Baylor LB Kyler Jordan:
“It’s just brutal, maybe the most brutal part of the game.”

On his first career INT:
“It felt like a dream come true, but it’s hard to look past the loss, honestly.” pic.twitter.com/jGqIcuYrO7

— Cameron Stuart (@realcamstuart) September 9, 2023

Oldbear83 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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I didnt know it was legal outsode the sec to hold a wr's arms down before ball got there?? Hmmm...

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Finally, officials really are reluctant to be seen as deciding the game,

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100%.

It's how John Stockton made that wide open 3 in game 6 of the 1997 NBA WCF vs. the Rockets.

He was wide open because Malone grabbed the switch man and didn't let go.

Malone knew the refs weren't going to call it (he talked about this years later).

That was a home game for the Rockets and shows you the refs really want to stay out of being seen as deciding the game.

Just 10 FBS teams played two P5 opponents in Weeks 1 & 2.

Among those only Coach Prime's Colorado and Utah are undefeated.

CU (2-0)

Utah (2-0)

Rice (1-1)

Nebraska (0-2)

Boise State (0-2)

SJSU (0-2)

Hawaii (0-2)

Ball State (0-2)

Kent State (0-2)

Middle Tennessee (0-2)

— RJ Young (@RJ_Young) September 10, 2023

I see that Dana is back on his bullshit, where his bullshit is throwing his players under the bus and then only throwing in a token "oh well I guess it's on me" at the end https://t.co/sQKv0TaeVU

— The Scott & Holman Pawdcast (@SHPawdcast) September 10, 2023

Prior to Robertson injuring his ankle on this play, Baylor was had averaged 6.89 yards per play on 47 plays against Utah.

Afterwards, it was 2 yards on 10 plays across 4 drives, discounting the final end of game heave to Presley. https://t.co/HUtFk4cdWn

— Travis Roeder (@Travis_Roeder) September 10, 2023

Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

Sweet. Another moral victory!

johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

canoso said:

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johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

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That is a great point...

FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

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That is a great point...

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Don't know about great, but for sure shameful IMO.

canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

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That is a great point...

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Don't know about great, but for sure shameful IMO.

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To quote Deion Sanders (font of wisdom, nowadays), It's a game.

So, shameful?

FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

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That is a great point...

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Don't know about great, but for sure shameful IMO.

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To quote Deion Sanders (font of wisdom, nowadays), It's a game.

So, shameful?

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Mentalities are revealed by many means, including athletics.

canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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johnnychimpo said:

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Rising expected to return and beef up Baylor's SOS.

With Utah moving from 4½-point to 6-point favorite, it appears QB Cam Rising will return Saturday vs. UCLA. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said Rising was full participant in practice last week w/no contact. Rising hasn't played since tearing his ACL in Rose Bowl

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 21, 2023

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In marked contrast, from 2011-2015 BU football's success didn't depend on what happened in other schools' football programs. Now we've returned to backing into success.

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That is a great point...

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Don't know about great, but for sure shameful IMO.

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To quote Deion Sanders (font of wisdom, nowadays), It's a game.

So, shameful?

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Mentalities are revealed by many means, including athletics.

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Wow, we are going philosophical today...