Gameday Thread: #11 Baylor (22-8; 11-6) at Texas Tech (21-9; 10-7)

BUGWBBear said:

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ALLBEAR said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Exactly. We are so soft, and play no defense

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Defense isn't a Drew priority. Wish he'd recruit better in that department.

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It's not recruiting its coaching,

Well still be a 2 seed if we win the big 13

lol

Mitch Henessey said:

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Kiss the two seed goodbye. Oh well. Would have been really nice to have.

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You can't miss what you never had. A No. 3 was always the most likely for us. It would have been nice to win today, but Tech in Lubbock was always going to be tough.

If you're saying Scott can't coach defenses you have the wrong idea

Bridge's goes from his best scoring night last Monday to a no show tonight. Could've used 10 from him.

Bearsalwayswin said:

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If you're saying Scott can't coach defenses you have the wrong idea

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He didn't bother with it today, Skeezix.

Bearsalwayswin said:

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Well still be a 2 seed if we win the big 13

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Nah. The committee hasn't really adjusted seeds based on what happens in conference tournaments for years.

bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Kiss the two seed goodbye. Oh well. Would have been really nice to have.

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You can't miss what you never had. A No. 3 was always the most likely for us. It would have been nice to win today, but Tech in Lubbock was always going to be tough.

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Announcer literally said we were a 2 seed lock with a win. Go back to the pay side with your good loss

IvanBear said:

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It's insane every offensiv possession isn't straight at Isaacs

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Drew has never fouled out a key player with 3 fouls in the first half. Frankly shocked he got to 4

ImABearToo said:

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Bridge's goes from his best scoring night last Monday to a no show tonight. Could've used 10 from him.

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That's been his MO his entire career. I've never seen a better player with a more inconsistent motor.

Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

BUGWBBear said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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If you're saying Scott can't coach defenses you have the wrong idea

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He didn't bother with it today, Skeezix.

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You're never around when we win. You're always around when we lose. Why is that?

ALLBEAR said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Kiss the two seed goodbye. Oh well. Would have been really nice to have.

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You can't miss what you never had. A No. 3 was always the most likely for us. It would have been nice to win today, but Tech in Lubbock was always going to be tough.

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Announcer literally said we were a 2 seed lock with a win. Go back to the pay side with your good loss

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Who the hell said it was a good loss?

But the likelihood of us going 4-0 at TCU, at home against Kansas, at home against Texas and at Tech was never very high.

It was good that we put ourselves in the position to do so. But we would have stolen a No. 2 seed if we had gotten one. It wasn't like we had the No. 2 seed and lost it. We've never been projected that high.

IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

Sochan, nunn, ives, and some others I would say are pretty stout defenders. Obiviously our defense needs to get better but we've seen that drew CAN coach defesense

Bearsalwayswin said:

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Sochan, nunn, ives, and some others I would say are pretty stout defenders. Obiviously our defense needs to get better but we've seen that drew CAN coach defesense

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Missi is a good shot-blocker, but he's a pretty poor defender. Josh Ojianwuna's positioning is infinitely better.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

This team is gutless and heartless,, give me junk yard dogs with less pedigree,,, walters in nba next year? What a joke ,,,maybe as Mavs ball boy,,,this team is done ,,, won't win another game ,,, pathetic,,

Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Unlikely. We'll overwhelm most anyone we'd face in our tournament opener.

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That's exactly what I thought just before we faced both Yale and Georgia State. Just sayin'…..

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That happens to every team that consistently makes the tournament. Also you're talking about games that happened nine years ago.

There is a lot of parity in this year's tourney. The key to winning games is getting the lead early and playing defense the entire game. Sounds simple but not many teams can do that.

Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Unlikely. We'll overwhelm most anyone we'd face in our tournament opener.

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That's exactly what I thought just before we faced both Yale and Georgia State. Just sayin'…..

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This team is better/more talented than those Baylor teams. And Yale was a legitimately good team the year we lost to them. There were a lot of people before that game was played who thought they'd give us trouble, and they gave Duke a game the next round.

We're not going to face a team as good as Yale was in our opener. They were a 12 seed that year and were likely underseeded at that.

Georgia State wasn't a great team, but they had a couple of really good individual players. We also played really poorly in that game.

We're obviously capable of losing our opener. But I don't see it as being very likely.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

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I said development for a reason, our guys stopped getting better at defense. Outside of Sochan we haven't brought in or developed a good defender. Look even cryer finally got better at defense under Sampson. It's not been a development priority in quite a while.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

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Yeah, and anybody who actually watches this program remembers that defensive clinic we ran against Villanova the year after that championship.

Commentators were literally calling it "terrifying," and it was better than any defensive performance we put up in the Natty year. That was a Final Four Nova team, too.

Injuries murdered that Baylor team's chances, unfortunately.

bear2be2 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Unlikely. We'll overwhelm most anyone we'd face in our tournament opener.

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That's exactly what I thought just before we faced both Yale and Georgia State. Just sayin'…..

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This team is better/more talented than those Baylor teams. And Yale was a legitimately good team the year we lost to them. There were a lot of people who thought they'd give us trouble, and they gave Duke a game the next round.

We're not going to face a team as good as Yale was in our opener.

Georgia State wasn't a great team, but they had a couple of really good individual players. We also played really poorly in that game.

We're obviously capable of losing our opener. But I don't see it as being very likely.

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Didn't the Georgia State player who made the shot get drafted?

Mitch Henessey said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

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Yeah, and anybody who actually watches this program remembers that defensive clinic we ran against Villanova the year after that championship.

Commentators were literally calling it "terrifying," and it was better than any defensive performance we put up in the Natty year. That was a Final Four Nova team, too.

Injuries murdered that Baylor team's chances, unfortunately.

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Lack of defense against UNC murdered that team. We don't take off half a game and it's a deferent discussion.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Unlikely. We'll overwhelm most anyone we'd face in our tournament opener.

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That's exactly what I thought just before we faced both Yale and Georgia State. Just sayin'…..

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This team is better/more talented than those Baylor teams. And Yale was a legitimately good team the year we lost to them. There were a lot of people who thought they'd give us trouble, and they gave Duke a game the next round.

We're not going to face a team as good as Yale was in our opener.

Georgia State wasn't a great team, but they had a couple of really good individual players. We also played really poorly in that game.

We're obviously capable of losing our opener. But I don't see it as being very likely.

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Didn't the Georgia State player who made the shot get drafted?

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R.J. Hunter. Yeah, he was a late first round pick by the Celtics. Never did much, though, and he's in the G-League now.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Smashmouth said:

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This game looks exactly like how we go out in the 2nd round of the NCAA

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Do this to a 14 seed in the tournament and it'll be the first round.

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Unlikely. We'll overwhelm most anyone we'd face in our tournament opener.

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That's exactly what I thought just before we faced both Yale and Georgia State. Just sayin'…..

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This team is better/more talented than those Baylor teams. And Yale was a legitimately good team the year we lost to them. There were a lot of people who thought they'd give us trouble, and they gave Duke a game the next round.

We're not going to face a team as good as Yale was in our opener.

Georgia State wasn't a great team, but they had a couple of really good individual players. We also played really poorly in that game.

We're obviously capable of losing our opener. But I don't see it as being very likely.

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Didn't the Georgia State player who made the shot get drafted?

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He did. Was the 28th pick in the 2015 draft.

IvanBear said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

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Yeah, and anybody who actually watches this program remembers that defensive clinic we ran against Villanova the year after that championship.

Commentators were literally calling it "terrifying," and it was better than any defensive performance we put up in the Natty year. That was a Final Four Nova team, too.

Injuries murdered that Baylor team's chances, unfortunately.

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Lack of defense against UNC murdered that team. We don't take off half a game and it's a deferent discussion.

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That UNC team, as it turned out, was pretty damn good.

That UNC game was a lot like this year's Houston loss. Frustratingly inept start. Elite effort in the second half to get back into it.

bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IvanBear said:

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Drew absolutely has done a horrible job coaching defense since the Natty. I don't know if it's staff changes or he is just taking it for granted, but Baylor hasn't been doing a good job from a coaching development perspective the last 3 seasons.

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The 2022 team was ranked 13th nationally in defensive efficiency. The last two teams have looked more like Drew's early squads, though, and it's been very frustrating.

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And that is when you use data to combat uneducated complaining. Comparing any defense to the national championship defense is fruitless. That team spoiled a lot of people on here.

We don't have the defense this year to win it all unless we go on an offensive run like we've never seen before, but to imply Drew doesn't care about defense is stupid.

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Yeah, and anybody who actually watches this program remembers that defensive clinic we ran against Villanova the year after that championship.

Commentators were literally calling it "terrifying," and it was better than any defensive performance we put up in the Natty year. That was a Final Four Nova team, too.

Injuries murdered that Baylor team's chances, unfortunately.

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Lack of defense against UNC murdered that team. We don't take off half a game and it's a deferent discussion.

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That UNC team, as it turned out, was pretty damn good.

That UNC game was a lot like this year's Houston loss. Frustratingly inept start. Elite effort in the second half to get back into it.

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I don't disagree which is why I think this team screams early round exit. That team like this one also lacked real leadership due to the talent being freshman and the starting guard being a journeyman, and the most tenured players being guys too immature to lead. To their credit that 2022 team managed to win the big 12, something this team probably should have done looking at the talent level and upside.

I think drew is an elite coach, he's easily top 5 active coaches right now, but his greatest strength is the humility he has to adjust. He's done it multiple times with defense. It's time to do it again because his current approach is a hot mess.