Gameday Thread: Baylor Faces Oklahoma State on Homecoming

Read back over my comments on this thread. I was very hard on Aranda. I just think that paying someone 4 1/2 mil to coach brings a level of responsibility. We are still a P4 team. We should be prepared, coach our players not to make dumb plays (screaming in someone's face after they did something, risking taunting, then not even talking to the kid about it), OL coaching to prevent jumping and so forth. I am not going to get on a player for not gaining a yard when it's needed, but putting Reese in to do it when the redheaded bulldozer is standing right beside the coach, that is on Aranda. Choosing Finn over Sawyer. Paying him 3/4 mil should have nothing to do with if he is a starter or not. He got his butt beat out in the spring according to the folks here that watched it, yet Aranda went with his NIL protege. Reese out there when Pendergrass is healthy, come on. It should have been Washington/Pendergrass all year. Reese as a change of pace occasionally, focusing on his speed.

The dumb stuff just get's my ire up.

CHP Bear said:

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historian said:

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— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

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Early on we needed RG3s legs to extend plays. Then those that followed could sit in the pocket longer and through the bomb. Why? Better o/line play. Given out current o/line I expect to see Robertson pad those rushing yards.

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The o-line has been playing better as of late, hence the huge rushing games back to back.

Yes. The O Line deserves credit. We have seen noticeable improvement and that partly explains recent successes offensively. If they can stay healthy & continue in this vein then we have more reason for optimism going forward.

TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

BellCountyBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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He needs to beat tcu first. Get over that hurdle and we'll talk.

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I am with you there... Gotta beat the rivals, that is job 1 at any schools...

WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

Bear8084 said:

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CHP Bear said:

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historian said:

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Elite Company. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/nVuKdnGauM

— Baylor Football (@BUFootball) October 27, 2024

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Early on we needed RG3s legs to extend plays. Then those that followed could sit in the pocket longer and through the bomb. Why? Better o/line play. Given out current o/line I expect to see Robertson pad those rushing yards.

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The o-line has been playing better as of late, hence the huge rushing games back to back.

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I expect the same against TCU and Houston. Most definitely our bowl eligible teams.

FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

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You could be right. Time will tell. One thing I don't really like is that NIL has caused talent deficits in certain areas, but it appears this is the case for almost every team. NIL seems to have caused much less quality football.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

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You could be right. Time will tell. One thing I don't really like is that NIL has caused talent deficits in certain areas, but it appears this is the case for almost every team. NIL seems to have caused much less quality football.

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I agree. Not just in College but the NFL. The QB play is horrible, it used to take years to perfect and develop a QB. Now, big arm, can take a hit and run is enough. Richardson is horrible, yet he is a 1st round pick and will get by just being an athlete.

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Unfortunately, that is very possible.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

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You could be right. Time will tell. One thing I don't really like is that NIL has caused talent deficits in certain areas, but it appears this is the case for almost every team. NIL seems to have caused much less quality football.

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I'd attribute that more to the portal than NIL. The portal has made it virtually impossible to keep a team together for multiple years. And unless you're at a blue blood school with blue chip players, it takes time to build a near-elite team and culture.

Every year is a reset in the portal era. That makes it hard to build great teams. But all schools are facing the same challenges, so it's still been an equalizer.

FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

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All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

Wonder how many Board of Regents/Presidents Office are reading this thread so they know what the John and Jane Q Public is thinking?

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Sawyer has been good. I said it in a different thread, but I would put him above Russell and Nick and below Petty on a talent scale.

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I have to say his running skills and speed is better than Petty's. Long pass accuracy may falter some behind Petty. I do feel good when Sawyer is in the game.., gotta little skewed when he went down.

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

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All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

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You have some expectations issues for being a fan at a place like BU. It is a process.

Lose Big
Lose Close
Win Close
Win Big

You improve 3 wins a year, you had a good year. BU is not a place you can stay at 8 wins, unless you are taking sobe serious recruiting chances which BU won't do again. It is cyclical.
Aranda's wins have gone 12-6-3. We are at 4. He gets 6 and a Bowl that is on schedule building toward a 10 win expectation next year.

I do not get these fans that think Baylor is 8-12 win every year school. BU is a once in 4 year compete for title place. You guys do realize the almighty Briles wins were 4-4-7-10 for a total of 25 wins. Aranda has 23 wins and a Conf title. Not much difference. It took Briles 5 years to get rolling with a Heisman winner. Maybe Aranda is being held to a different standard.

From 2011-2015 Baylor had 8+ wins each year:

2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
2014: 11-2
2015: 10-3
2016: 7-6

Before 2011, we had only one 10+ win season in our history (usually playing fewer games in a season but also going to bowl games no more than two years in a row). This included back to back conference titles in 2013 & 2014 and playoff contention in 2014 & 2015. I listed the years before and after the streak for context and to show how it was possible to go bowling every year.

This streak ended when the BOI decided to blow up the program because of a fake scandal created by the folks in Austin, or at least that's where it seemed to originate.

The legacy of success continued under Rhule & Aranda:

2019: 11-3
2021: 12-2 & Sugar Bowl victory

Those two years at least are indicative of the possibility that we can still achieve high levels of success. The fans understandably still expect that kind of success which explains the current frustration with Aranda.

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historian said:

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From 2011-2015 Baylor had 8+ wins each year:

2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
2014: 11-2
2015: 10-3
2016: 7-6

Before 2011, we had only one 10+ win season in our history (usually playing fewer games in a season but also going to bowl games no more than two years in a row). This included back to back conference titles in 2013 & 2014 and playoff contention in 2014 & 2015. I listed the years before and after the streak for context and to show how it was possible to go bowling every year.

This streak ended when the BOI decided to blow up the program because of a fake scandal created by the folks in Austin, or at least that's where it seemed to originate.

The legacy of success continued under Rhule & Aranda:

2019: 11-3
2021: 12-2 & Sugar Bowl victory

Those two years at least are indicative of the possibility that we can still achieve high levels of success. The fans understandably still expect that kind of success which explains the current frustration with Aranda.

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In year 5 of Briles tenure he had 1 10 win season and no conference championships. That is the comparison. Aranda is in year 5. Briles first 5 years

2008 - 48
2009 - 48
2010 - 76
2011 - 103
2012 - 85

Aranda is in year 5, let's see what it shows. He wins a bowl game, he is pretty much matching Briles first 5 years. You also happen to not mention that he blew the program up on his watch and Rhule bailed.


But, you guys don't like him, so find all sorts of qualifiers to why Briles at the same point was better.

I think success is possible, cyclically. I just don't think BU can get or will take the athletes needed to stay at a 10 win per year level. As fans, we need to know there will be down, ugly years between. We seem to be climbing out of an ugly period.

historian said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Unfortunately, that is very possible.

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I never said anything about how long Briles or any coach had been here. Anyone who knows anything about it knows that Briles started with two bad seasons before things started looking up and we went to our first bowl game in years. I deliberately selected the five best years to make the point.

My point is that for a brief stretch we were winning 10+ games every year (obviously 2012 was an outlier). We don't know if Briles could have sustained it and we may never see anything like it again. It was great while it lasted and Baylor fans still expect something like that. Briles set the bar pretty high and the fans still have similar expectations, as evidenced by all the calls for Aranda to be fired over the past 2 years.

FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

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You could be right. Time will tell. One thing I don't really like is that NIL has caused talent deficits in certain areas, but it appears this is the case for almost every team. NIL seems to have caused much less quality football.

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I agree. Not just in College but the NFL. The QB play is horrible, it used to take years to perfect and develop a QB. Now, big arm, can take a hit and run is enough. Richardson is horrible, yet he is a 1st round pick and will get by just being an athlete.

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Many of the "teacher coaches" who thrive on developing players are leaving the college ranks or just coaching altogether. Would not be surprised if in a few years the NFL gets involved and tries to use their influence to put some of the toothpaste back in the tube.

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I never said anything about how long Briles or any coach had been here. Anyone who knows anything about it knows that Briles started with two bad seasons before things started looking up and we went to our first bowl game in years. I deliberately selected the five best years to make the point.

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Gottcha. No issues, as I added to my other response. I think that success was because we took players that we would not take now. I do not think Briles success is indicative of what is possible at BU on a consistent basis, without risk...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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Bandito said:

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Quinton said:

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If Dave gets to 6 and is retained, they need to bring in a ton of high level safeties and now even cb's. Just terrible awareness and feel for the game. Stiff, no fluidity in movement. Need complete overhaul

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My concern is that he gets just enough wins to be retained and we have to suffer through another year of inconsistent mediocrity.

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That's my concern too.

Part of me thinks if he wins at least 6, he should come back because its clear win total improvement over last year and he should get a chance to improve on that in 2025.

Now, my bar goes up for 2025. Not sure if its 8 or 9 wins but if he does not win at least 8, I would fire him if there is a coaching upgrade available on the market.

The other part of me thinks keeping him and the staff is just delaying the inevitable - mediocrity. The second half of our schedule contains mostly ****ty teams, so we may confuse beating ****ting teams with 'improving'.

Only a bunch of wins over the rest of this season and the next will change my mind.

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One thing to keep in mind is that we will potentially return a giant nucleus from this squad next season. So if we can turn things around this year, the experience gained could be built on next season.

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Needs to make a Bowl. That is a huge improvement. Makes a bowl he should be back. PO people keep moving the goal posts. This is a better team. Needs to make Bowl

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I agree. Bowl, he returns. No bowl, he's fired.

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I don't know. 7-6 does not excite me in year 5. It just doesn't.

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I am sure it doesn't excite the coaches or players either. But, it is improvement. Also I cut whoever is coaching right now some slack, they are dealing with NIL and open transfers. Something Briles and Teaff didn't have to address. RG3 couldn't leave. Singletary couldn't leave. Unless you are UT or A&M NIL has been tough.

We tried the treat everyone the same. Now we are paying players. This is not Rhule's BU time or 2021. Maybe we found something that is coming around. We are a small religious school in a rural town, not a big state school

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You could be right. Time will tell. One thing I don't really like is that NIL has caused talent deficits in certain areas, but it appears this is the case for almost every team. NIL seems to have caused much less quality football.

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I agree. Not just in College but the NFL. The QB play is horrible, it used to take years to perfect and develop a QB. Now, big arm, can take a hit and run is enough. Richardson is horrible, yet he is a 1st round pick and will get by just being an athlete.

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Many of the "teacher coaches" who thrive on developing players are leaving the college ranks or just coaching altogether. Would not be surprised if in a few years the NFL gets involved and tries to use their influence to put some of the toothpaste back in the tube.

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I think that would be smart. Product is getting bad.

fair enough

I did edit my post to expand on my thinking.

historian said:

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fair enough

I did edit my post to expand on my thinking.

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4 wins and the last 2 were good wins. I am optimistic that we are climbing up the cycle...

I share your optimism.
Sic TCU!!

FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.

And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

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All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

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You have some expectations issues for being a fan at a place like BU. It is a process.

Lose Big
Lose Close
Win Close
Win Big

You improve 3 wins a year, you had a good year. BU is not a place you can stay at 8 wins, unless you are taking sobe serious recruiting chances which BU won't do again. It is cyclical.
Aranda's wins have gone 12-6-3. We are at 4. He gets 6 and a Bowl that is on schedule building toward a 10 win expectation next year.

I do not get these fans that think Baylor is 8-12 win every year school. BU is a once in 4 year compete for title place. You guys do realize the almighty Briles wins were 4-4-7-10 for a total of 25 wins. Aranda has 23 wins and a Conf title. Not much difference. It took Briles 5 years to get rolling with a Heisman winner. Maybe Aranda is being held to a different standard.

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Aranda started from a completely different place than Briles did.

But I agree with everything until the Briles mention.

FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.




And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

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All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

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You have some expectations issues for being a fan at a place like BU. It is a process.

Lose Big
Lose Close
Win Close
Win Big

You improve 3 wins a year, you had a good year. BU is not a place you can stay at 8 wins, unless you are taking sobe serious recruiting chances which BU won't do again. It is cyclical.
Aranda's wins have gone 12-6-3. We are at 4. He gets 6 and a Bowl that is on schedule building toward a 10 win expectation next year.

I do not get these fans that think Baylor is 8-12 win every year school. BU is a once in 4 year compete for title place. You guys do realize the almighty Briles wins were 4-4-7-10 for a total of 25 wins. Aranda has 23 wins and a Conf title. Not much difference. It took Briles 5 years to get rolling with a Heisman winner. Maybe Aranda is being held to a different standard.

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You are overlooking trajectory. Briles was on an upward trajectory in his time at Baylor, even in the lean years. Aranda has been on a downward trajectory. This very important fact was left out.

For all we know, Aranda might have turned things around and be back in an upward trajectory. I don't think that's the case but I hope so.

On homecoming no less.

Really hoping the atmosphere is electric this Saturday night.

End of the week awards: Week 9 🏆 pic.twitter.com/9jUHUW2bsD

— Barstool Big12 (@BarstoolBig12) October 28, 2024

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.




And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

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All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

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You have some expectations issues for being a fan at a place like BU. It is a process.

Lose Big
Lose Close
Win Close
Win Big

You improve 3 wins a year, you had a good year. BU is not a place you can stay at 8 wins, unless you are taking sobe serious recruiting chances which BU won't do again. It is cyclical.
Aranda's wins have gone 12-6-3. We are at 4. He gets 6 and a Bowl that is on schedule building toward a 10 win expectation next year.

I do not get these fans that think Baylor is 8-12 win every year school. BU is a once in 4 year compete for title place. You guys do realize the almighty Briles wins were 4-4-7-10 for a total of 25 wins. Aranda has 23 wins and a Conf title. Not much difference. It took Briles 5 years to get rolling with a Heisman winner. Maybe Aranda is being held to a different standard.

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You are overlooking trajectory. Briles was on an upward trajectory in his time at Baylor, even in the lean years. Aranda has been on a downward trajectory. This very important fact was left out.

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Aranda was also dealing with the Program Blown Up and the 2nd Coach bolting. It was just not 10 years of being bad. Since 2015 to 2019 BU football was a rollarcoaster. He just didn't inherit a normal situation. He has already won 1 more than last year. Can we a little positive? I know that is not the Baylor way, but after the last 4 years of **** football, the economy in the tank and CFB turning into talk to my pimp and I may play for you if you pay enough maybe a little positive vibes will help.

Don't get me wrong, not with this crew. I expect to hear every negative that has happened, they don't like his smile... And be called stupid to boot. THAT is the Baylor way...

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On homecoming no less.

Really hoping the atmosphere is electric this Saturday night.

End of the week awards: Week 9 🏆 pic.twitter.com/9jUHUW2bsD

— Barstool Big12 (@BarstoolBig12) October 28, 2024

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Houston's crowd was way worse. And they were also celebrating homecoming.

FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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WA Jim said:

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TeamPlayer said:

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Another good win yesterday. I want to believe that they have figured it out but more games are needed. These last 4 could go either way.

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I am with you on that.




And of course 7 in a row - that ain't happening - 2 out of these next 4 is a realistic possibility- my uneducated worthless prediction is that the KU game will determine with team (KU or BU) goes 6-6 and limps into a bowl game.

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Limps? A team that went from 3 wins to 6 or 7 is not limping. Going from 9 to 6, I agree.

I agree call him out for his failures, but when he does well he needs to get the credit. It for no other reason the next coach will be watching. A 3 or 4 game win total increase is a positive.

---

All 6-6 teams limp into a bowl game

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You have some expectations issues for being a fan at a place like BU. It is a process.

Lose Big
Lose Close
Win Close
Win Big

You improve 3 wins a year, you had a good year. BU is not a place you can stay at 8 wins, unless you are taking sobe serious recruiting chances which BU won't do again. It is cyclical.
Aranda's wins have gone 12-6-3. We are at 4. He gets 6 and a Bowl that is on schedule building toward a 10 win expectation next year.

I do not get these fans that think Baylor is 8-12 win every year school. BU is a once in 4 year compete for title place. You guys do realize the almighty Briles wins were 4-4-7-10 for a total of 25 wins. Aranda has 23 wins and a Conf title. Not much difference. It took Briles 5 years to get rolling with a Heisman winner. Maybe Aranda is being held to a different standard.

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You are overlooking trajectory. Briles was on an upward trajectory in his time at Baylor, even in the lean years. Aranda has been on a downward trajectory. This very important fact was left out.

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Aranda was also dealing with the Program Blown Up and the 2nd Coach bolting. It was just not 10 years of being bad. Since 2015 to 2019 BU football was a rollarcoaster. He just didn't inherit a normal situation. He has already won 1 more than last year. Can we a little positive? I know that is not the Baylor way, but after the last 4 years of **** football, the economy in the tank and CFB turning into talk to my pimp and I may play for you if you pay enough maybe a little positive vibes will help.

Don't get me wrong, not with this crew. I expect to hear every negative that has happened, they don't like his smile... And be called stupid to boot. THAT is the Baylor way...

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I'll be positive when it's called for. Ie the last 2 games is positive. But I also have to be realistic. Trajectory does matter. Briles never went on a 3 year slide. Aranda has. Now Aranda may turn it around, but time will tell. And yes, I'm probably never going to be a big Aranda fan. I sorta prefer coaches that have a bit more emotion. That being said, any flavor can win. And winning is the most important thing, not whether or not I like the temperament of the coach.

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boognish_bear said:

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On homecoming no less.

Really hoping the atmosphere is electric this Saturday night.

End of the week awards: Week 9 🏆 pic.twitter.com/9jUHUW2bsD

— Barstool Big12 (@BarstoolBig12) October 28, 2024

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Houston's crowd was way worse. And they were also celebrating homecoming.

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Our crowd looked bad because everyone was on the concourse in the shade. UH crowd was bad because no one wants to venture into the Third Ward after dark.