Baylor (10-4, 2-1) travels to the Grand Canyon State for a match-up against Arizona State (10-4, 2-1) Saturday January 11th at 8:30 p.m. CST. The game will be streamed on ESPN+.
Predictions
KenPom: Baylor 73, Arizona State 70
Torvik: Baylor 71, Arizona State 69
Evan Miyakawa: Baylor 77, Arizona State 69
Haslemetrics: Baylor 72, Arizona State 68
Coaches
Arizona State: Bobby Hurley (53) 207-154 (165-135 at ASU); 4 NCAAs
Baylor: Scott Drew (54); 476-259 overall (456-248 at Baylor); 12 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship
Head to Head: 1-0 Drew
Arizona State Starters
Arizona State Bench
*sat out last two games with an ankle injury
Baylor Starters
Baylor Bench
*sat out the last two games with injuries
Mitch Henessey said:
Need Celestine and Love to get healthy.
Momentum rarely carries over into overtime the way you think it would. Probably the biggest example was our loss to UNC in the tournament a few years ago. I thought for sure we'd carry the momentum of our comeback into that overtime period, and it just didn't happen.IowaBear said:
Well I'm owed some crow. Thought for sure ASU would take it to the Bears in OT. Great show of composure by the Bears
Stefano DiMera said:bear2be2 said:The sky's not falling. But this team has serious limiting qualities.Stefano DiMera said:Fre3dombear said:
Sucks seems we're not even that good at basketball anymore
Hmmm.. bout to go 11-4 and 3-1 in conference and some of you think sky is falling.
He literally said were not good at basketball..that's basically saying the sky is not only falling but has fell.
This is a 20 game gauntlet with 10 of them on the road. Any road win is a good win. I'm gonna celebrate it no matter how ugly..
I'll let Drew who has a little more experience than me figure out the things we need to work on.
And we only have like 6 players so I'm not sure what everyone is expecting.
Fair enough. Then we're having two different discussions.Stefano DiMera said:bear2be2 said:The sky's not falling. But this team has serious limiting qualities.Stefano DiMera said:Fre3dombear said:
Sucks seems we're not even that good at basketball anymore
Hmmm.. bout to go 11-4 and 3-1 in conference and some of you think sky is falling.
He literally said were not good at basketball..that's basically saying the sky is not only falling but has fell.
This is a 20 game gauntlet with 10 of them on the road. Any road win is a good win. I'm gonna celebrate it no matter how ugly..
I'll let Drew who has a little more experience than me figure out the things we need to work on.
And we only have like 6 players so I'm not sure what everyone is expecting.
bear2be2 said:Momentum rarely carries over into overtime the way you think it would. Probably the biggest example was our loss to UNC in the tournament a few years ago. I thought for sure we'd carry the momentum of our comeback into that overtime period, and it just didn't happen.IowaBear said:
Well I'm owed some crow. Thought for sure ASU would take it to the Bears in OT. Great show of composure by the Bears
That break often serves as a reset for both teams.
He's been playing great basketball for a month now. It's no fluke. The lightbulb has gone on for him, especially as a rebounder.Johnny Bear said:
Josh O was amazing tonight. Hope it's not a flash in the pan fluke, but a sign of things to come.
bear2be2 said:He's been playing great basketball for a month now. It's no fluke. The lightbulb has gone on for him, especially as a rebounder.Johnny Bear said:
Josh O was amazing tonight. Hope it's not a flash in the pan fluke, but a sign of things to come.
historian said:bear2be2 said:Momentum rarely carries over into overtime the way you think it would. Probably the biggest example was our loss to UNC in the tournament a few years ago. I thought for sure we'd carry the momentum of our comeback into that overtime period, and it just didn't happen.IowaBear said:
Well I'm owed some crow. Thought for sure ASU would take it to the Bears in OT. Great show of composure by the Bears
That break often serves as a reset for both teams.
Good point but our problem vs UNC was foul trouble. In the end too many guys foiled out and the roster was depleted. The last 11 minutes of regulation was amazing, some of the best Baylor basketball since the natty.
Haha. This is definitely true.Mitch Henessey said:
Baylor fans and trashing our big men, only for them to turn out completely serviceable, and occasionally great. Name a more iconic duo.
He's had double digit rebounds in four of his last eight games, which is awesome to see. Rebounding hadn't necessarily been a weakness of his before, but it wasn't a strength either. That seems to be changing.Fre3dombear said:bear2be2 said:He's been playing great basketball for a month now. It's no fluke. The lightbulb has gone on for him, especially as a rebounder.Johnny Bear said:
Josh O was amazing tonight. Hope it's not a flash in the pan fluke, but a sign of things to come.
Love seeing it and 17 boats amazing
Fre3dombear said:historian said:bear2be2 said:Momentum rarely carries over into overtime the way you think it would. Probably the biggest example was our loss to UNC in the tournament a few years ago. I thought for sure we'd carry the momentum of our comeback into that overtime period, and it just didn't happen.IowaBear said:
Well I'm owed some crow. Thought for sure ASU would take it to the Bears in OT. Great show of composure by the Bears
That break often serves as a reset for both teams.
Good point but our problem vs UNC was foul trouble. In the end too many guys foiled out and the roster was depleted. The last 11 minutes of regulation was amazing, some of the best Baylor basketball since the natty.
Greatest comeback in March madness history so there's that
We need to make the realization at some point this season that this team, unlike all Baylor teams since Motley's junior year, is better when playing inside-out, rather than outside-in. This group of guards, while solid, isn't nearly as dynamic as most we've had in the recent past.IowaBear said:
Drew's done that more than tonight. Hard to criticize a coach as good as Drew but this is far from the first time he's tried shortening games. I get your point about doing so with a limited roster. But not with 8 minutes left.
Fair point. I'm sure Drew had a reason to slow it down early - could have been player fatigue, other nagging injuries, trying to limit the chance of any of the 6 fouling out, etc.IowaBear said:
Drew's done that more than tonight. Hard to criticize a coach as good as Drew but this is far from the first time he's tried shortening games. I get your point about doing so with a limited roster. But not with 8 minutes left.
I remember BFans trashing Lomers night-in and night-out only for him to play a key role in our Elite 8 in 2010 and completely body Omar Samhan, who was that tourney's media darling.bear2be2 said:Haha. This is definitely true.Mitch Henessey said:
Baylor fans and trashing our big men, only for them to turn out completely serviceable, and occasionally great. Name a more iconic duo.
I'm always a defender of those guys -- and our staff's ability to develop them. I was with Freddie, Flo and many others around them.
I've been Josh O's biggest fan for a while now. It's awesome to see him growing into a prominent role.
Those teams are bad. If we were in that group with the resources we pour into this sport and the access we have to elite recruits and transfers, this would be a whole different discussion.Stefano DiMera said:
'This team is not very good right now'
So what is Kansas State? Colorado? Cincinnati?
I'm not saying we're Final Four caliber but geez dude ..you can't compare every roster to 2020..
This is a good team with severe limitations mostly because of depth.
Stefano DiMera said:
'This team is not very good right now'
So what is Kansas State? Colorado? Cincinnati?
I'm not saying we're Final Four caliber but geez dude ..you can't compare every roster to 2020..
This is a good team with severe limitations mostly because of depth.
In fairness, Lomers was pretty terrible until his final season. It was nice he finally developed into a serviceable post player. But we had to watch a lot of bad basketball before he finally became a solid rotation player as a senior.Mitch Henessey said:I remember BFans trashing Lomers night-in and night-out only for him to play a key role in our Elite 8 in 2010 and completely body Omar Samhan, who was that tourney's media darling.bear2be2 said:Haha. This is definitely true.Mitch Henessey said:
Baylor fans and trashing our big men, only for them to turn out completely serviceable, and occasionally great. Name a more iconic duo.
I'm always a defender of those guys -- and our staff's ability to develop them. I was with Freddie, Flo and many others around them.
I've been Josh O's biggest fan for a while now. It's awesome to see him growing into a prominent role.
I get it that fan boards are reactionary. It's the nature of the beast when people are watching a game and posting whatever they think in that moment. But we need to be a bit more gracious towards our coaches and players around here.
bear2be2 said:In fairness, Lomers was pretty terrible until his final season. It was nice he finally developed into a serviceable post player. But we had to watch a lot of bad basketball before he finally became a solid rotation player as a senior.Mitch Henessey said:I remember BFans trashing Lomers night-in and night-out only for him to play a key role in our Elite 8 in 2010 and completely body Omar Samhan, who was that tourney's media darling.bear2be2 said:Haha. This is definitely true.Mitch Henessey said:
Baylor fans and trashing our big men, only for them to turn out completely serviceable, and occasionally great. Name a more iconic duo.
I'm always a defender of those guys -- and our staff's ability to develop them. I was with Freddie, Flo and many others around them.
I've been Josh O's biggest fan for a while now. It's awesome to see him growing into a prominent role.
I get it that fan boards are reactionary. It's the nature of the beast when people are watching a game and posting whatever they think in that moment. But we need to be a bit more gracious towards our coaches and players around here.
This is true. He was a Baylor legend solely for his ability to get under the skin of Aggie players and fans.Fre3dombear said:But aggy hated him and he would get 100% out of every foul and that made him a HOFer in my bookbear2be2 said:In fairness, Lomers was pretty terrible until his final season. It was nice he finally developed into a serviceable post player. But we had to watch a lot of bad basketball before he finally became a solid rotation player as a senior.Mitch Henessey said:I remember BFans trashing Lomers night-in and night-out only for him to play a key role in our Elite 8 in 2010 and completely body Omar Samhan, who was that tourney's media darling.bear2be2 said:Haha. This is definitely true.Mitch Henessey said:
Baylor fans and trashing our big men, only for them to turn out completely serviceable, and occasionally great. Name a more iconic duo.
I'm always a defender of those guys -- and our staff's ability to develop them. I was with Freddie, Flo and many others around them.
I've been Josh O's biggest fan for a while now. It's awesome to see him growing into a prominent role.
I get it that fan boards are reactionary. It's the nature of the beast when people are watching a game and posting whatever they think in that moment. But we need to be a bit more gracious towards our coaches and players around here.
