Baylor Football

10 Things: Baylor Still Searching for Consistency, Despite Win over Oklahoma State

A strong second half pushed Baylor past Oklahoma State, yet sloppy stretches and missed assignments left real questions about how far this team can go.
September 27, 2025
22k Views
55 Comments
Story Poster
Photo by Baylor Athletics

Will Boles gives his 10 top things from Baylor’s 45-27 victory over Oklahoma State.


1. Let Bryson Washington run!

Bryson Washington showed once again why Baylor rides him. He carried the ball 10 times for 77 yards (7.7 ypc) and a touchdown, highlighted by a 19-yard scoring run in the second quarter. His burst and physicality gave Baylor consistent momentum on the ground, forcing OSU defenders to respect the run and opening up play-action opportunities. When Washington stays active, Baylor’s offense hums.

2. Trick plays???

Oklahoma State was rolling out surprises all game. They ran a double pass for a score, used a wide receiver throw and leaned hard into misdirection after the firing of Mike Gundy to shake Baylor’s defense. Those wrinkles kept Baylor honest. The Bears had to stay disciplined and guard against overpursuing. Though the offense answered big, those trick plays made parts of the first half feel precarious.

3. Defensive success did NOT continue.

After flashes of improvement, Baylor’s defense slipped back into inconsistent form. In the first half, especially, fundamentals faltered — including missed tackles, blown coverages and alignment issues — and OSU stayed in the game. Though the unit tightened up later, the early lapses allowed OSU to hang around longer than Baylor would’ve hoped. That’s a problem when you expect to win big.

4. Both lines are still struggling, big time.

Even with Baylor favored, the trenches didn’t reflect domination. The Bears’ offensive line gave Sawyer Robertson just enough space, but occasional pressures and stalled run sets showed vulnerability. On the other side, Oklahoma State’s run defense gave up 219 rushing yards total, and their offensive line had trouble sustaining drives in pass protection. When both lines wobble, advantage goes to the more balanced team — and Baylor has that edge.

5. Baylor has a lot of talented running backs.

Washington is the headliner, but Baylor’s depth backs up that assertion. Caden Knighten contributed 81 yards on 5 carries (16.2 ypc), showing explosion. Michael Turner chipped in 38 yards. That kind of depth means Baylor can rotate backs and keep fresh legs in the game — a luxury many teams don’t have.

6. The receiving core is so good.

Baylor’s receivers made plays all over the field. Josh Cameron, Kole Wilson, Kobe Prentice and Michael Trigg — when they all get touches, it’s a nightmare for defensive coordinators. Their variety and chemistry let Baylor attack multiple levels every series.

7. Sawyer Robertson is awesome.

He threw 24 of 35 for 393 yards and four touchdowns, with no interceptions. That kind of efficiency under pressure is rare. Robertson kept his composure, hit throws late, and spread the ball around. This wasn’t a flash game. It was the kind of day you show as evidence when arguing that Baylor has a top-tier signal caller.

8. Good to see Sawyer take one in himself.

He didn’t just air it out — he ran it in late. On Baylor’s final touchdown drive, Robertson carried a two-yard rush into the end zone for his fifth score of the day. That kind of timely QB run makes you more dangerous, especially in goal-line or short-yardage situations. It tells defenses he’s a threat when the pocket closes — and that changes how they rush him.

9. Kyland Reed had some promising flashes.

Though the stat sheet didn’t jump out, Reed made his presence known on defense. He read plays quickly, filled gaps against the run, and showed the kind of speed that lets him cover ground sideline to sideline. His instincts put him in a position to affect plays even when he wasn’t the one making the tackle. Performances like this suggest Reed can develop into a steady contributor in Baylor’s linebacker rotation moving forward.

10. Second-half adjustments were great.

At halftime, Baylor led just 28-20, but what we saw in the third and fourth quarters was dominance. Baylor struck quickly with a 73-yard strike to Prentice, then methodically extended the advantage. The defense cleaned up coverage mistakes, the run game pushed forward and the offense maintained a balanced tempo. That kind of turnaround — when things weren’t smooth early — shows coaching, grit, and belief.

55 Comments
Discussion from...

10 Things: Baylor Still Searching for Consistency, Despite Win over Oklahoma State

18,739 Views | 55 Replies | Last: 2 mo ago by FLBear5630
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
11. W
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
We still have a Head Coach who has underperformed for years now.

Our 'defensive guru' allowed Oklahoma State to put 27 points on us

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up?

No one seriously believes that was Aranda, not on the evidence of Aranda's actual results.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aran_a

But I guess some folks will just pretend the crap fest of the last 3 seasons did not happen, and we actually won against Auburn and ASU?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

I love Baylor, always have. Enough not to settle for a coach who consistently screws the pooch.

I understand you won't admit your 'hate for your school', so you would continue to impose Aranda on players who deserve much better, and project on me what applies to you.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

Noted, you are cool with 2022-4 versus expectations
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Historical and realistic Baylor football expectations it was pretty much right on par.... 2 bowl games in 3 years with one good season, one average season, and one bad season. Baylor football in a nutshell.
LIB,MR BEARS
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

We still have a Head Coach who has underperformed for years now.

Our 'defensive guru' allowed Oklahoma State to put 27 points on us

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations



Defensive guru you say

Total yards. 383.2 (90th)

Passing yards. 193.2 (64th)

Rushing yards. 180.2 (116th)

Point allowed. 28.8 (105th)

3rd down efficiency. 37.1% (64th)


BellCountyBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aranda and staff sucks at recruiting and developing 3 stars. End of story.
WA Jim
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

Delmar, I'm sure you are a nice person, but your ability to analyze the current state of Baylor football makes you more qualified to opine on the Equestrian Forum
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
WA Jim said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

Delmar, I'm sure you are a nice person, but your ability to analyze the current state of Baylor football makes you more qualified to opine on the Equestrian Forum

Johnny Bear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

Pretty sure virtually all of us celebrate or at least celebrated the 2021 season and yes it was the single most accomplished season in BU football history - but for starters, the opportunity to build on that momentum and at least establish something like the kind of winning consistency Briles proved was possible at BU was totally blown. Point taken that the last 3 seasons have on balance resembled the bulk of our football history, but why is that something to be okay with, especially given that today's BU is dramatically different from the BU of the Teaff era or even the BU of 15 years ago from the standpoint of commitment, facilities, and competitive NIL capability? Plus we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff (on balance) but it's becoming more evident that's what we have. We can do better and at best time is rapidly running out for Aranda to prove he can deliver something at least close to the expectation level most supporters and fans justifiably have.
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

....we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff...

They did for Grant Teaff for 20 years, when did it change? Like I said Aranda is right on par for historical Baylor football.
Johnny Bear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Delmar 2.0 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

....we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff...

They did for Grant Teaff for 20 years, when did it change? Like I said Aranda is right on par for historical Baylor football.

Apples and oranges comparison. When Teaff took over there was talk of dropping out of the SWC or even terminating the football program all together. As far as commitment, money, facilities, etc. he never had anything remotely close to what Aranda has. Even at the end of Teaff's 21 seasons there is no comparison to what he had to work with and what Aranda has at his disposal. And finally - again - regardless of what the overall history has been, why is slightly above .500 football something to be satisfied with?
Delmar 2.0
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

....we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff...

They did for Grant Teaff for 20 years, when did it change? Like I said Aranda is right on par for historical Baylor football.

.....why is slightly above .500 football something to be satisfied with?

Ask Baylor admin, that's what they've been paying for all these years.
WestUBears88
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The 2021 team accomplished that by six 2022 NFL draft picks and five free agents, all recruited by Matt Rhule. Thats a Baylor record. Every player Aranda brought to campus in 5 years a lone 1 was drafted. That's a record too. Hardly the best ever, Briles won 2 championships, consistently playing more difficult teams than the current big 12 membership. All in all, 2021 was 4 years ago . Aranda consistently underperformed before and after that and has now had to fire two d coordinators.
FLBear5630
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up?

No one seriously believes that was Aranda, not on the evidence of Aranda's actual results.


You do come up with some stuff...

I guess BU flew Rhule in for the wins? Aranda only coached the losses.

By the way, what is Joey's record against Aranda? Before you go there.


FLBear5630
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

....we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff...

They did for Grant Teaff for 20 years, when did it change? Like I said Aranda is right on par for historical Baylor football.

Apples and oranges comparison. When Teaff took over there was talk of dropping out of the SWC or even terminating the football program all together. As far as commitment, money, facilities, etc. he never had anything remotely close to what Aranda has. Even at the end of Teaff's 21 seasons there is no comparison to what he had to work with and what Aranda has at his disposal. And finally - again - regardless of what the overall history has been, why is slightly above .500 football something to be satisfied with?

He actually outperforms most of BU history. I don't get where they get that Baylor is some type of football power underperforming.

The two coaches that they are pining over one had to recruit so precariously Baylor was talked about getting the death penalty and the other was out of Waco so fast he probably lived in a hotel. (Also the great team didn't beat one ranked team during that golden year and lost in the Bowl game.)

It wasn't so golden...

Plus how is this different from Briles, besides recruiting? Briles Defense are among the worst in NCAA history, paired with a great offense. That OSU game is right in line with the Briles teams, you should be ecstatic.

FLBear5630
How long do you want to ignore this user?
On a different note, those that were telling us about Robertson. Good call. You were dead on. He is outstanding.
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up?

No one seriously believes that was Aranda, not on the evidence of Aranda's actual results.


You do come up with some stuff...

I guess BU flew Rhule in for the wins? Aranda only coached the losses.

By the way, what is Joey's record against Aranda? Before you go there.





I never mentioned Joey, but it's telling how you bristle when St. Aranda's coaching prowess is challenged by his actual results.

Since 2021, when Aranda was able to use Rhule's guys, he has claimed one bowl and lost in pretty harsh fashion. Aranda's poop performances are so well known that with one loss ESPN already says we don't have a shot at the conference title.

No one not on drugs thinks Dave is up to the task but his family.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
FLBear5630
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up?

No one seriously believes that was Aranda, not on the evidence of Aranda's actual results.


You do come up with some stuff...

I guess BU flew Rhule in for the wins? Aranda only coached the losses.

By the way, what is Joey's record against Aranda? Before you go there.





I never mentioned Joey, but it's telling how you bristle when St. Aranda's coaching prowess is challenged by his actual results.

Since 2021, when Aranda was able to use Rhule's guys, he has claimed one bowl and lost in pretty harsh fashion. Aranda's poop performances are so well known that with one loss ESPN already says we don't have a shot at the conference title.

No one not on drugs thinks Dave is up to the task but his family.



Same old Oldbear... At least you are consistent. Everything is personal. You did not answer my question.

What indicates to you that Baylor football is some powerhouse underperforming? Briles had to recruit "bad dudes" in his own words to compete and had a putrid defense. Rhule had one season in which he lost to EVERY ranked team he played and bolted to the NFL.

The rest of Baylor football history is a bunch of one-offs, like most schools like Baylor. For some reason you guys think this is USC and we are playing like BYU. BYU has had more historic success.

Aranda is doing fine. He recruits, he is competitive and is a good ambassador for BU. MOST of all he does not cause embarrassment or shame, which is a low bar at most schools. But here with the history??? It is worth a few defensive lapses. If you think this team is better than ASU or Auburn but played down, you do not know football. With the talent we get, BU is doing fine.



IowaBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
A few defensive lapses? You must be joking. The defense is straight ass by every metric. Quit sugarcoating. You keep telling everyone else they don't know football while outing yourself as someone who doesn't know football. Quite ironic.
Johnny Bear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
FLBear5630 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up

Nope, Rhule's guys went 2-7 in 2020, in 2021 Dave's guys went 12-2 and Big12 Champs and Sugar Bowl Champs. The fact that you don't recognize or celebrate that season is seriously bizarre.

Rhule recruited the champions, not Aranda

Not all of them, and Dave was coaching them. You must be miserable having so much hate for your school.

Bottom line is Dave shoulda been fired years ago, and keeps proving so.

Years ago? You mean after he put up the best season in school history (12-2)? That was years ago.

....we aren't paying for a 6-6 to 7-5 HC and staff...

They did for Grant Teaff for 20 years, when did it change? Like I said Aranda is right on par for historical Baylor football.

Apples and oranges comparison. When Teaff took over there was talk of dropping out of the SWC or even terminating the football program all together. As far as commitment, money, facilities, etc. he never had anything remotely close to what Aranda has. Even at the end of Teaff's 21 seasons there is no comparison to what he had to work with and what Aranda has at his disposal. And finally - again - regardless of what the overall history has been, why is slightly above .500 football something to be satisfied with?

He actually outperforms most of BU history. I don't get where they get that Baylor is some type of football power underperforming.

The two coaches that they are pining over one had to recruit so precariously Baylor was talked about getting the death penalty and the other was out of Waco so fast he probably lived in a hotel. (Also the great team didn't beat one ranked team during that golden year and lost in the Bowl game.)

It wasn't so golden...

Plus how is this different from Briles, besides recruiting? Briles Defense are among the worst in NCAA history, paired with a great offense. That OSU game is right in line with the Briles teams, you should be ecstatic.

LOL!! - How is this different from Briles? Are you serious??
FLBear5630
How long do you want to ignore this user?
IowaBear said:

A few defensive lapses? You must be joking. The defense is straight ass by every metric. Quit sugarcoating. You keep telling everyone else they don't know football while outing yourself as someone who doesn't know football. Quite ironic.

Isn't it though? Everyone has an opinion and puts it on a message board. Or are we just supposed to agree with you for some reason?

How about you answering the question that nobody is answering.

What makes you think that Baylor is playing below its traditional powerhouse status by so much the Coach needs to be fired? How much better than ASU and Auburn are we? Why do you think Aranda with a Conf Championship, NYD Bowl win and a 500 record is so worse than the others?

When was BU a power?

Briles? You ready to recruit like that again? You are complaining about Defense, remember Bennett's D's?
Rhule? For all of 32 minutes before he bolted? Look at that team and who they played and tell me who underperformed? Rhule **** the bed against both OU (twice) and Georgia. Or does he get a pass, why?

You really want to look further back than that?

So, how is a 3-2 record in October and beating OSU in Stillwater by 17 such a horrid coaching job that he needs to go?

Waco is not a garden spot for College Football. .

bear2be2
How long do you want to ignore this user?
FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Oldbear83 said:

We are still waiting to see Baylor clearly perform up to expectations

That happened in 2021, not sure how you missed it because it was the best season in BU football history.

You mean the time Rhule's guys won a title and Aranda managed not to mess it up?

No one seriously believes that was Aranda, not on the evidence of Aranda's actual results.


You do come up with some stuff...

I guess BU flew Rhule in for the wins? Aranda only coached the losses.

By the way, what is Joey's record against Aranda? Before you go there.





I never mentioned Joey, but it's telling how you bristle when St. Aranda's coaching prowess is challenged by his actual results.

Since 2021, when Aranda was able to use Rhule's guys, he has claimed one bowl and lost in pretty harsh fashion. Aranda's poop performances are so well known that with one loss ESPN already says we don't have a shot at the conference title.

No one not on drugs thinks Dave is up to the task but his family.



Same old Oldbear... At least you are consistent. Everything is personal. You did not answer my question.

What indicates to you that Baylor football is some powerhouse underperforming? Briles had to recruit "bad dudes" in his own words to compete and had a putrid defense. Rhule had one season in which he lost to EVERY ranked team he played and bolted to the NFL.

The rest of Baylor football history is a bunch of one-offs, like most schools like Baylor. For some reason you guys think this is USC and we are playing like BYU. BYU has had more historic success.

Aranda is doing fine. He recruits, he is competitive and is a good ambassador for BU. MOST of all he does not cause embarrassment or shame, which is a low bar at most schools. But here with the history??? It is worth a few defensive lapses. If you think this team is better than ASU or Auburn but played down, you do not know football. With the talent we get, BU is doing fine.

Arizona State isn't more talented than we are. Our postgame win expectancy in that game was 68.8 percent with a 3-0 deficit in the turnover margin. We pissed that game away.

We have too many losses like that the last four years.
IowaBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The difference between Briles and Dave is one is supposedly a defensive guru. Those stats & metrics don't support that… at all. In fact this is one of the worst defensive units in P4!!! Briles was actually good at what he was hyped as. Dave is not. If everyone's allowed an opinion on here than why do you keep crying anytime someone wants to move on from Dave? After all it's a message board.
3 losing seasons in 5 years. 4-12 in Waco against P5 comp since 22. 1-2 in Bowl games. Both loses were absolute beatdowns. There's plenty of reasons for posters to want to move on from Dave.
Reverend
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The way I look at it is simple: The side of the ball where he is hands off (except for 4th down calls) is really good. The side of the ball where he is hands on is terrible.

And in his role as leader of the overall program he's dull and emotionless.

That's about it.
Dia del DougO
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Developing 2 and 3 star guys into legit P4 players is definitely a huge deal for the P2 leftovers like us. The status of college football makes that extremely difficult.

See a potential stud, offer a potential stud.
Sign a potential stud, develop a stud.
Develop a stud, pay the stud.
See a developed stud hit the portal to be a higher paid stud with greater playoff potential.

Very sad. Hard to stay enthusiastic about the sport today.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO
How long do you want to ignore this user?
IowaBear said:

The difference between Briles and Dave is one is supposedly a defensive guru. Those stats & metrics don't support that… at all. In fact this is one of the worst defensive units in P4!!! Briles was actually good at what he was hyped as. Dave is not. If everyone's allowed an opinion on here than why do you keep crying anytime someone wants to move on from Dave? After all it's a message board.
3 losing seasons in 5 years. 4-12 in Waco against P5 comp since 22. 1-2 in Bowl games. Both loses were absolute beatdowns. There's plenty of reasons for posters to want to move on from Dave.


Briles era D was never great, but they did have some great playmakers that were better at creating turnovers or rising up to make a big time stop in short yardage.

Most top offensive teams aren't going to have great defense. But they have to have some swag.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
IowaBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Yup… I don't argue it anymore. But no defense that's on the field 45 minutes a game is going to be any good. People that use Briles to defend Dave are grasping at straws
Oldbear83
How long do you want to ignore this user?
<chuckles>

I didn't even have to answer FLBear, his post was destroyed by the posters after me.

And yeah, I AM consistent. I will praise Aranda if and when he shows some of the 'great coach' talent you keep pretending is under all those sub-par games he's had the last forty or so tries

I like the guy, I just won't pretend Steele-level coaching = Briles/Rhule-level coaching.

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Page 1 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.