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MBB: #25 Baylor (4-0) vs Creighton (4-0) Preview & Game Thread

November 21, 2017
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#25 Baylor (4-0) takes on Creighton (4-0) in the championship game of the CBE Tournament in Kansas City, MO on Tuesday, November 21st around 9pm CST.  The game is televised on ESPN2.  Here is a look at the match-up.  


KenPom Rankings

Creighton:  36 overall; 13 offensive efficiency; 68 defensive efficiency

Baylor:  21 overall; 17 offensive efficiency; 25 defensive efficiency

Prediction:  Baylor 78 Creighton 76


Coaches

Creighton:  Greg McDermott (52); 449-276 overall (170-92 at Creighton); 7 NCAAs

Baylor:  Scott Drew (47); 303-190 overall (283-179 at Baylor); 7 NCAAs; 4 Sweet 16s; 2 Elite 8s


Creighton Starting Line-Up

PG:  Khyri Thomas (JR) 6-3 210 lbs; 17 ppg; 5 reb; 3 asst; 61% FG; 54% 3pt; 80% FT

SG:  Marcus Foster (SR); 6-3 205 lbs; 20 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 55% FG; 50% 3pt; 80% FT

SF:  Davion Mintz (JR); 6-3 180 lbs; 7 ppg; 4 reb; 3 asst; 54% FG; 75% 3pt; 67% FT

PF:  Ronnie Harrell (JR); 6-7 200 lbs; 6 ppg; 8 reb; 2 asst; 47% FG; 25% 3pt; 60% FT

C:  Martin Krampelj (SO) 6-9 220 lbs; 11 ppg; 8 reb; 62% FG; 50% 3pt; 70% FT

Creighton Bench

F:  Manny Suarez (SR); 6-10 250 lbs; 6 ppg; 4 reb; 49% FG; 33% 3pt; 50% FT

G:  Ty-shon Alexander (FR) 6-4 195 lbs; 9 ppg; 3 asst; 49% FG; 41% 3pt; 83% FT

G:  Mitch Ballock (FR) 6-5 205 lbs; 12 ppg; 55% FG; 44% 3pt; 100% FT


Baylor Starting Line-up

PG:  Manu Lecomte (SR) 5-11 180 lbs; 22 ppg; 4 asst; 44% FG; 48% 3pt; 94% FT

SG:  King McClure (JR) 6-3 215 lbs; 8 ppg; 3 reb; 36% FG; 42% 3pt; 58% FT

SF:  Nuni Omot (SR) 6-9 210 lbs; 8 ppg; 5 reb; 3 asst; 41% FG; 32% 3pt; 83% FT

PF:  Tristan Clark (FR) 6-9 240 lbs; 10 ppg; 5 reb; 62% FG; 40% FT

C:  Jo Lual-Acuil (SR) 7-0 220 lbs; 14 ppg; 10 reb; 1 blk; 48% FG; 60% FT; 67% 3pt

Baylor Bench

G:  Jake Lindsey (JR) 6-5 195 lbs; 4 ppg; 3 reb; 5 asst; 43% FG; 29% 3pt; 50% FT

F:  Terry Maston (SR) 6-8 230 lbs; 10 ppg; 9 reb; 64% FG; 50% FT

F:  Mark Vital (RFR) 6-5 230 lbs; 6 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 57% FG; 64% FT

G:  Tyson Jolly (RFR) 6-5 190 lbs; first season (out until December)

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MBB: #25 Baylor (4-0) vs Creighton (4-0) Preview & Game Thread

37,059 Views | 209 Replies | Last: 7 yr ago by RioRata
JusHappy2BeHere
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rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

I love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.

I just can't

too nervous

come in late if at all
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
whitetrash
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RioRata said:

Kim Anderson in the house...now coaching at Pittsberg St.
That's where Gene Iba went after we deep-sixed him in 1993.
RioRata
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Maston came up big in the clutch starting around the 2:30 mark.

Sic'em!!!
JusHappy2BeHere
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whitetrash said:

RioRata said:

Kim Anderson in the house...now coaching at Pittsberg St.
That's where Gene Iba went after we deep-sixed him in 1993.
who can hold Michael Williams to 15 in a game?

Gene Iba
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
RioRata
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whitetrash said:

RioRata said:

Kim Anderson in the house...now coaching at Pittsberg St.
That's where Gene Iba went after we deep-sixed him in 1993.

Kim is 4-1 so far this season.
rudylaw
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

I love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.

I just can't

too nervous

come in late if at all
I feel you. For me, it's my only avenue for talking BU so I'm all in. I try to give broader, positive outlooks during breaks to counterbalance the knee jerk reactions!
whitetrash
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EGOTbear said:

great defensive adjustments after halftime
Fran said Creighton missed 15 straight 3s until the garbage one with 5 sec left.
rudylaw
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Fran made a great point.. this was a road win. The key, besides Creighton unable to throw the ball into the ocean was our defensive rebounding. Hardly any second chance opportunities for the Jays. Jo MVP no doubt.
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rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

DI love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.
Because I watch the game with my friends like a normal person. I just find it funny how people overreact to every possession.
rudylaw
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Creighton 5-30 from three. That's probably not what they work on in practice.
rudylaw
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

DI love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.
Because I watch the game with my friends like a normal person. I just find it funny how people overreact to every possession.
Yeah, sorry I'm married and live 1,000 miles away. What a wacko I am!
NoBSU
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

DI love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.
Because I watch the game with my friends like a normal person. I just find it funny how people overreact to every possession.
What happens in gamethreads stays in gamethreads. Comment in real time or hold your tongue. No hindsight 20/20 posting.
rudylaw
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NoBSU said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

rudylaw said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

DI love reading the comments from the beginning of the game. Some of you are little nellies.
Why not join the thread from the start? I just adore this sort of Monday morning comment. It's barroom commentary as it happens. Nothing looney was said anyway.
Because I watch the game with my friends like a normal person. I just find it funny how people overreact to every possession.
What happens in gamethreads stays in gamethreads. Comment in real time or hold your tongue. No hindsight 20/20 posting.
Absolutely. You go back and read this particular thread in real time and nothing is out of place. There weren't even any crazy end times proclamations. Those will surely come but not yet!
JusHappy2BeHere
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I hoped for the best but at the half thought this was a character building loss that would pay dividends in conference....

So glad it's a character building win
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
BUgolfbear
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Reading the drew train again. Amazing how Much better JO gotten in a year. All hard work and coaching.
BaylorOkie
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NoBSU
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BUgolfbear said:

Reading the drew train again. Amazing how Much better JO gotten in a year. All hard work and coaching.
He added some good muscle.
EasyE
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BaylorOkie said:




I would have thought Seth Davis would be part of that crowd.
Health Camper
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EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Health Camper
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EGOTbear said:

hmmm might get blown out tonight
Hmmm no.
Health Camper
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EGOTbear said:

Don't know why people keep riding King.

Outside of a few games, he's shown nothing. Pretty big bust if you ask me. I've been saying this for a long time
...which is funny now.
Stefano DiMera
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yep..nothing Looney there!
rudylaw
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If you think that's bad...
NoBSU
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Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!

McClure and Maston had a rough first half.
CizzLark
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EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful


This aged well
NoBSU
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CizzLark said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful


This aged well
Did you watch the first half? Didn't think so.
NoBSU
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NoBSU said:

We can't win if Maston can't give us something in at least one half. Hopefully, the first half ticked a,couple of guys off.
This halftime post if mine sure doesn't make me a genius. It was kind of basic and obvious. We have one basketball genious on this site and that is setshot.

You posters that are coming to the game thread the day after and picking out posts from a poor performing first half need to shut up. Show up during the game and comment.
Health Camper
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NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!
The context is McClure adjusted to the pressure on Manu and lit up Creighton in the 2nd half. The context has never been "Mcclure's awful"...to knowledgeable coaches and reasonably observant fans. He's the starting shooting guard in a Top 20 program and was a top tier national recruit. Last night he was the high scorer among top competition in a tourney final. If that's "awful" I'd love more of it.
NoBSU
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Health Camper said:

NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!
The context is McClure adjusted to the pressure on Manu and lit up Creighton in the 2nd half. The context has never been "Mcclure's awful"...to knowledgeable coaches and reasonably observant fans. He's the starting shooting guard in a Top 20 program and was a top tier national recruit. Last night he was the high scorer among top competition in a tourney final. If that's "awful" I'd love more of it.
It was a take of two halves for about everyone but Manu and Jo. One had a tough game. The other led us this whole tournament. McClure and Maston had a good second half but not a good first half. It is possible for a player to be off in one half and turn it up the other. McClure had a good game AND an awful first half. Deal with it.
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NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!

McClure and Maston had a rough first half.


EGOT is usually one of the first to call a game or trash players when things aren't going right early. Usually in the first half. It's pretty common in the game threads in football and basketball. Usually I call those posts out too reminding those that are already calling the game a loss (Yogi or EGOT) that there is still 35 minutes left to play.
EGOTbear
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Stand by my King comments. If this team wants to go to the next level - he needs to bring it every night, not just once in a blue moon when we are in a hole.
NoBSU
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Bear8084 said:

NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!

McClure and Maston had a rough first half.


EGOT is usually one of the first to call a game or trash players when things aren't going right early. Usually in the first half. It's pretty common in the game threads in football and basketball. Usually I call those posts out too reminding those that are already calling the game a loss (Yogi or EGOT) that there is still 35 minutes left to play.
Good job. We don't need morning after posters out of context. McClure had a rough first half. I didn't think EGOT was abusive. Maybe it is because I feel McClure has been a hot and cold player with big swings. EGOT even complimented CSD at the end of the game.

So many were silent for years while posters hated on Freeman, Walton, Lomers, and Ellis. I have a bit of a problem thinking that most user policing is sincere rather than petty. But thanks for your effort in keeping a civil board. I appreciate it.
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NoBSU said:

Bear8084 said:

NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!

McClure and Maston had a rough first half.


EGOT is usually one of the first to call a game or trash players when things aren't going right early. Usually in the first half. It's pretty common in the game threads in football and basketball. Usually I call those posts out too reminding those that are already calling the game a loss (Yogi or EGOT) that there is still 35 minutes left to play.
Good job. We don't need morning after posters out of context. McClure had a rough first half. I didn't think EGOT was abusive. Maybe it is because I feel McClure has been a hot and cold player with big swings. EGOT even complimented CSD at the end of the game.

So many were silent for years while posters hated on Freeman, Walton, Lomers, and Ellis. I have a bit of a problem thinking that most user policing is sincere rather than petty. But thanks for your effort in keeping a civil board. I appreciate it.


Agreed, I hated when they trashed those players too during games and usually said something. The players you listed turned out to be some of the hardest playing players to put on the green and gold (or highlighter yellow). I get saying they are having bad games or are cold shooting, that's cool. It's the "they suck!" and name calling of a player that rubs me the wrong way during games along with packing it in saying the "game is over" and "we'll probably get blown out" when there is 37 minutes left in the game...
Bear8084
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EGOTbear said:

Stand by my King comments. If this team wants to go to the next level - he needs to bring it every night, not just once in a blue moon when we are in a hole.


Doesn't mean he sucks. I agree, he needs to bring it the whole 40 minutes, not just the last half, but I am grateful he turned it on the 2nd half last night. Maybe it was a wake-up call for him.
RioRata
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Health Camper said:

NoBSU said:

Health Camper said:

EGOTbear said:

Mcclure is awful
Game high 19 says hello.
Show up to post in the game thread when it is in context or SHUT UP!
The context is McClure adjusted to the pressure on Manu and lit up Creighton in the 2nd half. The context has never been "Mcclure's awful"...to knowledgeable coaches and reasonably observant fans. He's the starting shooting guard in a Top 20 program and was a top tier national recruit. Last night he was the high scorer among top competition in a tourney final. If that's "awful" I'd love more of it.

Well, #22/25 is "almost" Top 20.
 
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