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MBB: Baylor (18-12; 8-9) at KSU (20-10; 9-8) Preview & Game Thread

March 1, 2018
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Baylor (18-12; 8-9) visits Kansas State (20-10; 9-8) on Saturday March 3rd at 1pm CST.  The game is televised on ESPN.    

KenPom Rankings

Kansas State:   46 overall; 60 offensive efficiency; 44 defensive efficiency

Baylor:  28 overall; 73 offensive efficiency; 12 defensive efficiency

Prediction:  Kansas State 67 Baylor 65

Coaches

Kansas State:  Bruce Weber (61); 432-233 (119-78 at KSU); 11 NCAAs; 3 Sweet 16s; 1 Elite 8; 1 Final; 1 NCAA runner-up

Baylor:  Scott Drew (47); 317-202 overall (297-191 at Baylor); 7 NCAAs; 4 Sweet 16s; 2 Elite 8s

Kansas State Starting Line-Up

PG:  Cartier Diarra (FR) 6-4 190 lbs; 7 ppg; 2 asst; 49% FG; 40% 3pt; 80% FT

SG:  Barry Brown (JR); 6-3 195 lbs; 17 ppg; 3 reb; 3 asst; 46% FG; 33% 3pt; 78% FT

SF:  Xavier Sneed (SO); 6-5 210 lbs; 11 ppg; 5 reb; 42% FG; 35% 3pt; 80% FT

PF:  Dean Wade (JR); 6-10 230 lbs; 16 ppg; 6 reb; 3 asst; 55% FG; 43% 3pt; 74% FT

C:  Makol Malwien (SO) 6-9 225 lbs; 6 ppg; 3 reb; 1 blk; 61% FG; 72% FT

Kansas State Bench

G:  Kamau Stokes (JR); 6-5 195 lbs; 10 ppg; 4 asst; 38% FG; 37% 3pt; 77% FT

G:  Aamad Wainright (JR) 6-2 200 lbs; 3 ppg; 2 reb; 41% FG; 33% 3pt; 45% FT

Baylor Starting Line-up

PG:  Manu Lecomte (SR) 5-11 180 lbs; 16 ppg; 4 asst; 40% FG; 39% 3pt; 88% FT

SG:  Jake Lindsey (JR) 6-5 195 lbs; 5 ppg; 3 reb; 3 asst; 46% FG; 34% 3pt; 67% FT

SF:  Mark Vital (RFR) 6-5 230 lbs; 7 ppg; 6 reb; 2 asst; 50% FG; 50% FT

PF:  Tristan Clark (FR) 6-9 240 lbs; 7 ppg; 5 reb; 1 blk; 60% FG; 67% FT

C:  Jo Lual-Acuil (SR) 7-0 220 lbs; 15 ppg; 9 reb; 2 blks; 51% FG; 73% FT

Baylor Bench

G:  King McClure (JR) 6-3 215 lbs; 8 ppg; 2 reb; 2 asst; 39% FG; 34% 3pt; 77% FT

F:  Nuni Omot (SR) 6-9 210 lbs; 9 ppg; 4 reb; 2 asst; 47% FG; 42% 3pt; 84% FT

F:  Terry Maston (SR) 6-8 230 lbs; 11 ppg; 6 reb; 53% FG; 80% FT

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MBB: Baylor (18-12; 8-9) at KSU (20-10; 9-8) Preview & Game Thread

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In reply to vanillabryce • 1:55p, 3/3/18
vanillabryce said:
Baylor again comes out flat, uninspired and making the same type of mistakes all over again.

If you're a guard and the other team is physical you've got to adjust your game. Can't float passes and drive into the lane with out protecting the ball.

It all comes down to Manu, who just isn't up to the role Baylor needs him to play. He's a decent Robin but a terrible Batman. And on a team with no other impact guards, his deficiencies have been exposed badly in conference play.
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In reply to RealLarryDon • 1:57p, 3/3/18
RealLarryDon said:
Give me an injured Makai Mason over Lecomte any day of the week. Yet another in a long line of no show performances from Lecomte this year.
Tend to agree. Another 20 to go but he's easily the most frustrating player we've have since PJIII.
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1:57p, 3/3/18
We really need Maston And Big Jo to step upand take over this game in the 2nd half. I'm not sure any of our other guys can do it. Sure would be nice to go into the B12 tourney k owing we were already in the NCAAs.
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In reply to RealLarryDon • 1:59p, 3/3/18
RealLarryDon said:
We really need Maston And Big Jo to step upand take over this game in the 2nd half. I'm not sure any of our other guys can do it. Sure would be nice to go into the B12 tourney k owing we were already in the NCAAs.
the problem there is KSU does a great job of making life hard inside
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
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In reply to bear2be2 • 2:01p, 3/3/18
Yeah he needs to be in a low contact free flowing game. He tends to play poorly when it gets physical.
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2:02p, 3/3/18
https://www.google.com/amp/wtnh.com/2018/03/02/yales-makai-mason-could-be-done-for-season/amp/

Mason had another setback with his foot. I don't know how much we can count on him.
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2:03p, 3/3/18
Hanging onto the bubble by a thread
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In reply to vanillabryce • 2:03p, 3/3/18
vanillabryce said:
Yeah he needs to be in a low contact free flowing game. He tends to play poorly when it gets physical.
or maybe the bald guy could call a foul when LeConte gets knocked flat in the paint while dribbling?

i'm just spitballing here.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

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2:05p, 3/3/18
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
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In reply to vanillabryce • 2:05p, 3/3/18
vanillabryce said:
https://www.google.com/amp/wtnh.com/2018/03/02/yales-makai-mason-could-be-done-for-season/amp/

Mason had another setback with his foot. I don't know how much we can count on him.


OMG. Yeah, probably have to count him out at this point. 3 injuries on the same foot? Yeah...
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In reply to Wikstr9 • 2:08p, 3/3/18
Wikstr9 said:
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
Putting Manu on the bench is NOT the answer. People were floating that during our slump and I'm sorry but it's just asinine. He just has to play better, because his offense is irreplaceable on this roster.

We go as Manu goes, and it's a big reason why we are a top 50 team instead of a top 25 team. There is no better option. Jake and King are both negative offensive players, Manu is a plus (just very streaky)
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2:08p, 3/3/18
Vital is out of control right now.
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In reply to JusHappy2BeHere • 2:09p, 3/3/18
Well that's one play. You're not wrong, but that's one play out of a huge population.
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2:10p, 3/3/18
Goaltending!!!
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2:10p, 3/3/18
Goaltending????!
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2:11p, 3/3/18
How do three idiots all miss that?? 5 including the announcers. Then KSU follows up with 2.
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In reply to vanillabryce • 2:11p, 3/3/18
vanillabryce said:
Well that's one play. You're not wrong, but that's one play out of a huge population.
I don't disagree, but when that gets called they have to play less physical on him.... when it doesn't get called they know they can continue to beat the **** out of him
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

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2:12p, 3/3/18
Cats answering everything so far.
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2:12p, 3/3/18
Nuni coming to play. Who wants to join him?
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In reply to Hambone • 2:15p, 3/3/18
Hambone said:
Wikstr9 said:
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
Putting Manu on the bench is NOT the answer. People were floating that during our slump and I'm sorry but it's just asinine. He just has to play better, because his offense is irreplaceable on this roster.

We go as Manu goes, and it's a big reason why we are a top 50 team instead of a top 25 team. There is no better option. Jake and King are both negative offensive players, Manu is a plus (just very streaky)
I agree with your main premise, but Manu has not been a plus this year -- at least in Big 12 play, where he's shooting 35 percent from the field and 32.5 percent from 3. He's a bad point guard or a poor-shooting two guard right now. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got, so we have no choice but to throw him out there and hope for the best.
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2:16p, 3/3/18
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need a major run here.
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2:16p, 3/3/18
They're answering everything
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2:17p, 3/3/18
Jeez k state miss some damn shots!
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2:18p, 3/3/18
Looks like WVU Thursday in the night cap regardless of this outcome. That's our ncaa right now.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 2:18p, 3/3/18
bear2be2 said:
Hambone said:
Wikstr9 said:
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
Putting Manu on the bench is NOT the answer. People were floating that during our slump and I'm sorry but it's just asinine. He just has to play better, because his offense is irreplaceable on this roster.

We go as Manu goes, and it's a big reason why we are a top 50 team instead of a top 25 team. There is no better option. Jake and King are both negative offensive players, Manu is a plus (just very streaky)
I agree with your main premise, but Manu has not been a plus this year -- at least in Big 12 play, where he's shooting 35 percent from the field and 32.5 percent from 3. He's a bad point guard or a poor-shooting two guard right now. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got, so we have no choice but to throw him out there and hope for the best.


I agree we can't bench him, but when he's off, we can't let him take the air out of the ball or revolve the entire offense around getting him shots. We could at least do a better job using him as a decoy. Our other guys, specifically Lindsey and McClure, need to take advantage of the additional attention the defense pays to Lecomte.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 2:19p, 3/3/18
bear2be2 said:
Hambone said:
Wikstr9 said:
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
Putting Manu on the bench is NOT the answer. People were floating that during our slump and I'm sorry but it's just asinine. He just has to play better, because his offense is irreplaceable on this roster.

We go as Manu goes, and it's a big reason why we are a top 50 team instead of a top 25 team. There is no better option. Jake and King are both negative offensive players, Manu is a plus (just very streaky)
I agree with your main premise, but Manu has not been a plus this year -- at least in Big 12 play, where he's shooting 35 percent from the field and 32.5 percent from 3. He's a bad point guard or a poor-shooting two guard right now. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got, so we have no choice but to throw him out there and hope for the best.
For his career, he is an extremely efficient offensive player. Big 12 play this season has been tough, but he has no help from the SG spot.
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2:20p, 3/3/18
Holy ****
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2:20p, 3/3/18
Good God Manu. Just take the rest of the game off.
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2:21p, 3/3/18
What could possibly be going through Manu's mind to make him reach in like that?
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In reply to Hambone • 2:22p, 3/3/18
Hambone said:
bear2be2 said:
Hambone said:
Wikstr9 said:
Why don't we put Manu on the bench. Start Lindsey at point and go with a larger 2-3 guard set.

They guy just can't put two consistent trips together. He's streaky and a poor game manager.
Putting Manu on the bench is NOT the answer. People were floating that during our slump and I'm sorry but it's just asinine. He just has to play better, because his offense is irreplaceable on this roster.

We go as Manu goes, and it's a big reason why we are a top 50 team instead of a top 25 team. There is no better option. Jake and King are both negative offensive players, Manu is a plus (just very streaky)
I agree with your main premise, but Manu has not been a plus this year -- at least in Big 12 play, where he's shooting 35 percent from the field and 32.5 percent from 3. He's a bad point guard or a poor-shooting two guard right now. Unfortunately, he's the best we've got, so we have no choice but to throw him out there and hope for the best.
For his career, he is an extremely efficient offensive player. Big 12 play this season has been tough, but he has no help from the SG spot.
I'm not talking about his career. What he did in the past doesn't help this team win games. And he's been a volume scorer this year when this team needed efficiency.
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2:23p, 3/3/18
Gotta give KSU credit. They're playing like we did on Tuesday.
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2:23p, 3/3/18
Is Kansas State shooting eleventy billion percent?
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2:24p, 3/3/18
Games like this make me believe we get beat by a mid major in the first round.
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In reply to rudylaw • 2:24p, 3/3/18
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Gotta give KSU credit. They're playing like we did on Tuesday.
They're a good offensive team, but we have a habit of making them look like the Harlem Globetrotters. For whatever reason, this K-State team thrives against our zone.
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In reply to rudylaw • 2:25p, 3/3/18
rudylaw said:
vanillabryce said:
https://www.google.com/amp/wtnh.com/2018/03/02/yales-makai-mason-could-be-done-for-season/amp/

Mason had another setback with his foot. I don't know how much we can count on him.


OMG. Yeah, probably have to count him out at this point. 3 injuries on the same foot? Yeah...
he will be fine. Sprained an ankle. Different injury. He's shutting it down to heal. He should be good to go for Baylor's foreign tour this summer. But they are working to bring in a dynamic guard just in case.
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