I know this will not be a popular statement, but I saw Danzig live, and it was truly not good at all. Chimaira who played before them was much better.

fuentbu1 said:

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I know this will not be a popular statement, but I saw Danzig live, and it was truly not good at all. Chimaira who played before them was much better.

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When you see the live videos, that corroborates 100%. But albums are great.

RIP

Why is so much metal satanic, demon, whatever you want to call it? I know not all is, but much of it is.

The raw power is part of the appeal. It's usually un-subtle and direct. It just doesn't lend itself to "Gosh, I hope he calls me!" type lyrics.

I consider Black Sabbath to be the root of all things metal. Viewed through that lens, there's a very good reason why metal is dark and powerful. Tony Iommi had an industrial accident.

They originally wanted to be The Beatles (like all good English schoolboys). While doing his job as a machinist, Tony Iommi's work buddy missed work one day. He tried to help out by running the metal bending machine. He didn't know what he was doing, and chopped off the tips of his first two fingers.

He thought his musical career was over. When the fingers didn't heal right, he added metal caps to the end, and played with heavier, more slack strings.This gave the music a dark, angry tone that the rest of the band went with as a gimmick. Thus, metal was born.

Obviously, it isn't all one thing. There's "Christian Metal" and other genres. Motley Crue claimed "Sex, Drugs, Rock n Roll, and Pizza" as their mantra (even with the imagery, they obviously preferred boobs and booze to summoning demons).

Mr. Goodbear said:

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Why is so much metal satanic, demon, whatever you want to call it? I know not all is, but much of it is.

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Actually a good question and multi-faceted.

Satanism in media like heavy metal is no different than horror movies about demons or exorcism... it's a sub-genre of a type of media that portrays something artistically. Just like the guy who wrote The Exorcist isn't necessarily a satanist, neither are *most* of the musicians who perform these songs.

Some of it is also misunderstanding... Black Sabbath is thought of a band that was overtly evil... Slayer satanic... and yet Black Sabbath was reflecting their traditional upbringing.... instead of singing "Jesus loves you" they explored the idea that Satan wanted you to suffer... reading and understanding their lyrics shows they portrayed satan as something to fear, not revere. Slayer on the other hand use their lyrics to show inconsistencies and contradictions in people's beliefs. They've said many times in interviews, Tom Araya specifically says he wants people to reflect on what they thing and not just follow blindly.

When asked why they wrote an album called "God Hates Us All" he said, "God doesn't hate. God is incapable of hate. But we, as a people, are giving him lots of good reasons to start. It's also just a great ****ing title."

It's a lot of showmanship.

Mix in Rock's slave music roots and the spirit of rebellion inherent in rock and it gives you an outlet to explore something you're not "supposed" to. I know I personally, and most friends, listened to Slayer, Venom, Black Sabbath... and we all felt like we were doing something we shouldn't. That was exciting. No different than watching Faces of Death, or your first porn... just a lot of "forbidden" things that are taboo that shouldn't be explored or discussed.

Interestingly, there is a music series of notes called the tri-tone or the Devil's Fifth that was essentially banned in the middle ages because of it was thought to invoke Satan. Most classical fugues and much of heavy metal is based around the Devil's Fifth. Metal is a mix of delta blues, slave music, and classical fugue.

Foreigners actually do embrace satanism, such as the Norwegian, but again as rebellion. They have many state sponsored churches and some people feel like they need to rebel against being told what to believe. That led to a natural affinity for satanism and church burning because it's the obvious opposite of orthodox christianity.

Finally, I think metal as a whole is a music for outsiders and so if you tell a metal fan or group "You shouldn't do this because the mainstream doesn't agree," guess what they're going to do first? Metalheads know they're not like others. They're used to being on the fringe. At some point you start to embrace it. It's as much shock value and freedom to do and say what you want whether others like it or not than they are likely to actually believe it.

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Was a big hair metal guy, early 80's. Def Leppard, Motley Crue. Got back into it a bit in early 2000'2 with Static X, Powerman 5000, and Rob Zombie. That foray gave me one of my favorites....In Extremo.

King's X is my all time favorite. Not metal, but Doug Pinnick's fuzzy base can get you banging your head.

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Dang, I never expected to see another King's X fan here. Awesome!

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Little brother was a chamber man and he's a huge King's X fan too.

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FREEbass said:

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Was a big hair metal guy, early 80's. Def Leppard, Motley Crue. Got back into it a bit in early 2000'2 with Static X, Powerman 5000, and Rob Zombie. That foray gave me one of my favorites....In Extremo.

King's X is my all time favorite. Not metal, but Doug Pinnick's fuzzy base can get you banging your head.

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You left Disturbed off bro. And Rammstein.

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I don't know why, but I never connected with Disturbed. Rammstein though, AWESOME. Love me some techno metal...

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The raw power is part of the appeal. It's usually un-subtle and direct. It just doesn't lend itself to "Gosh, I hope he calls me!" type lyrics.

I consider Black Sabbath to be the root of all things metal. Viewed through that lens, there's a very good reason why metal is dark and powerful. Tony Iommi had an industrial accident.

They originally wanted to be The Beatles (like all good English schoolboys). While doing his job as a machinist, Tony Iommi's work buddy missed work one day. He tried to help out by running the metal bending machine. He didn't know what he was doing, and chopped off the tips of his first two fingers.

He thought his musical career was over. When the fingers didn't heal right, he added metal caps to the end, and played with heavier, more slack strings.This gave the music a dark, angry tone that the rest of the band went with as a gimmick. Thus, metal was born.

Obviously, it isn't all one thing. There's "Christian Metal" and other genres. Motley Crue claimed "Sex, Drugs, Rock n Roll, and Pizza" as their mantra (even with the imagery, they obviously preferred boobs and booze to summoning demons).

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Yeah, this. The downtuning and dark sound forced them to explore the tri-tone and drew on classical influences. They shaped the sound for heavy metal out of physical necessity.

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The raw power is part of the appeal. It's usually un-subtle and direct. It just doesn't lend itself to "Gosh, I hope he calls me!" type lyrics.

I consider Black Sabbath to be the root of all things metal. Viewed through that lens, there's a very good reason why metal is dark and powerful. Tony Iommi had an industrial accident.

They originally wanted to be The Beatles (like all good English schoolboys). While doing his job as a machinist, Tony Iommi's work buddy missed work one day. He tried to help out by running the metal bending machine. He didn't know what he was doing, and chopped off the tips of his first two fingers.

He thought his musical career was over. When the fingers didn't heal right, he added metal caps to the end, and played with heavier, more slack strings.This gave the music a dark, angry tone that the rest of the band went with as a gimmick. Thus, metal was born.

Obviously, it isn't all one thing. There's "Christian Metal" and other genres. Motley Crue claimed "Sex, Drugs, Rock n Roll, and Pizza" as their mantra (even with the imagery, they obviously preferred boobs and booze to summoning demons).

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My mom swears I like Metal because she went to a Black Sabbath concert when I was in utero

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Mr Tulip said:

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The raw power is part of the appeal. It's usually un-subtle and direct. It just doesn't lend itself to "Gosh, I hope he calls me!" type lyrics.

I consider Black Sabbath to be the root of all things metal. Viewed through that lens, there's a very good reason why metal is dark and powerful. Tony Iommi had an industrial accident.

They originally wanted to be The Beatles (like all good English schoolboys). While doing his job as a machinist, Tony Iommi's work buddy missed work one day. He tried to help out by running the metal bending machine. He didn't know what he was doing, and chopped off the tips of his first two fingers.

He thought his musical career was over. When the fingers didn't heal right, he added metal caps to the end, and played with heavier, more slack strings.This gave the music a dark, angry tone that the rest of the band went with as a gimmick. Thus, metal was born.

Obviously, it isn't all one thing. There's "Christian Metal" and other genres. Motley Crue claimed "Sex, Drugs, Rock n Roll, and Pizza" as their mantra (even with the imagery, they obviously preferred boobs and booze to summoning demons).

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My mom swears I like Metal because she went to a Black Sabbath concert when I was in utero

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Your mom is awesome.

My dad took me to my first show BIG show. Motorhead, Dio, Maiden.

Rammstein led me to Eisbracher. I figured, one angry German yelling over a MetalZone pedal was as good as the next:

And keeping with the "Germans doing odd things", Einsturzende Neubauten were responsible for my "drum on absolutely everything, and turn it into a musical instrument" passion.

It wasn't "industrial" until they did it.

I like bands that have a screamer and a singer. Yes I am super weird, but stuff that hits hard then slows, then hits hard again just gets me......haha

Bullet for my Valentine



Crown the Empire



IKTPQ




Good stuff to exercise to. Mainly what I use it for.

Rammsteins subject matter ranges from everything from sweet love to BDSM.

AlmightyGoldMind said:

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Rammsteins subject matter ranges from everything from sweet love to BDSM.

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Bring Me The Horizon? Of Mice & Men?

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AlmightyGoldMind said:

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Rammsteins subject matter ranges from everything from sweet love to BDSM.

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Never said otherwise

Yep...also As I Lay Dying, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, We Came As Romans (their older stuff), Issues, My Ticket Home, just to name a few.

Also, they are much softer than they used to be, but The Used is awesome. A Box Full of Sharp Objects is great. Bert McCracken is an awesome dude, met him twice.

MY neighbor my junior year was a music major queer and cool as ***** He broke down in the most technical way metal. It was amazing. Cliff had just died. Sabbath was every morning. Maiden when I got home. Lemmie before bed. He basically had metal with Beethoven and Mozart

As a very amateur and former musician, I hate when people hear metal and say "I can scream like that." The technical skill of most metal musicians and complex composition is lost on most.

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As a very amateur and former musician, I hate when people hear metal and say "I can scream like that." The technical skill of most metal musicians and complex composition is lost on most.

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Lmao. Love that guy.

Ignore the giant ***** who makes the introduction.

AceThedic said:

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As a very amateur and former musician, I hate when people hear metal and say "I can scream like that." The technical skill of most metal musicians and complex composition is lost on most.

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The proper response to that claim is "Let's hear it, then! Go ahead."

For no lack of trying, the best I can personally offer is a "serviceable" death metal growl, and I can't really sustain it for a whole song. I can do a black metal rasp which honestly is not so bad, but again, only in short durations.

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AceThedic said:

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As a very amateur and former musician, I hate when people hear metal and say "I can scream like that." The technical skill of most metal musicians and complex composition is lost on most.

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The proper response to that claim is "Let's hear it, then! Go ahead."

For no lack of trying, the best I can personally offer is a "serviceable" death metal growl, and I can't really sustain it for a whole song. I can do a black metal rasp which honestly is not so bad, but again, only in short durations.

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I always ask people to try and sing along with Ronnie James Dio. Guess what? No one can.

When Frankie Banali was trying to re-group Quiet Riot sometime after Kevin DuBrow's death, it readily became apparent that replacing his vocal qualities was next to impossible. There were plenty of vocalists who could imitate him, but none lasted more than 3 shows without completely destroying their throat.

Mostly, I think that speed or grindcore reaches a saturation point where there's no sonic space available, and the different instrumentalists are colliding with each other resulting in a loud hash of indistinguishable frequencies. At that point, I can't really rate one artist above another. I can appreciate the emotion and energy, but I like to see some differentiation.

The good ones can find their own space in a mix.

Or Rob Halford. Or Bruce Dickinson.

And to really throw someone for a loop, King Diamond.