Drones enters transfer portal

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curtpenn said:

blackie said:

The problem with the QB position is that everyone (coaches, players, fans) have been engrained with the rock solid belief that some type of alternation of QBs is strictly verboten. Football is the only major sport, and possibly all team sports that I can think of right now where there is a position that is put on that pedestal. Grant alternated QBs very successfully with Carlson and Muecke. But I can't think of any others, Baylor or not.

Now, that has seemingly worked fine for years, at all levels, although there might be some true alternating at the high school ranks in some places. Now, the last decade or so, or possibly longer, the "wildcat" came into being, but that was more for run plays than having a real question as to whether the one receiving the snap was going to run or pass. And I understand the arguments about the perceived needing the same QB because of cadence, transfer of the ball, and differences in how two QBs might throw the ball. But are the others on the field really incapable of working with two?

But now, the transfer portal, exacerbated by NIL money that has become more pay to play.....or really pay to recruit, is introducing massive problems for teams at the QB position. For good QBs, or at least ones that think they are good QBs, outside of a possible redshirt season, they don't want to sit. A team obviously must have more than one viable QB because of injury dangers. But if you adhere to no alternating of QBs in some manner, how do you ever keep a QB2 or heaven forbid a QB3 happy enough to stick around and wait their turn.......and then risk that someone else will be brought in from the portal to take the place they have been waiting for for years. And if the one taken from the portal is not good enough to take that place, why would they transfer in to sit on the bench. Fair or not, lack of the portal kept players on teams longer and in many cases kept the player from making a transfer mistake that might result in them never being a QB1 at a decent program because they wouldn't wait long enough.

It seems the portal is putting real stress on the model for only one QB1 per season as long as no injury occurs. Will coaches look to try to keep two QBs "happy" or stick to the same old, same old? I suspect the latter, but the real risk takers might look to the former. But whatever, the portal on team stability and team depth seems to be hitting the QB position far more than any other position on the field.


One thing that I find puzzling in these days of the portal is the relatively unchanged number of FBS programs (which I think is about 125) and how QB2s think they are going to somehow transfer their way to the top. Portal or not, there's still about the same number of high school QBs graduating in a given year competing for the same number of slots. It's just easier to shuffle the deck so to speak, but the deck size is unchanged.


I was thinking this same thing
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While that's true, there are plenty of teams that would happily take the QB2 of other teams and the portal is helping them have access to those QBs. Even if those QB2s wouldn't start at their new destination, they would force the existing QB room to either get better or leave. To that end, it is a positive for both sides - QB2s can go to somewhere where they can push to start and where they transfer to will likely have better QB play one way or another.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

PartyBear said:

Drones may stay he says so don't forget that. Is this becoming like what some coaches do? Could he be seeking more NIL from here?


I don't think guys chase money as much as fans think they do. A sizable NIL and bench isn't what players seek.

Guys want to play. Truth? There's no reason he didn't get at least 1 quarter against KSU. I can make an argument that we should have switched QBs for the rest of the season after Shapen lost his confidence.

I'm absolutely puzzled at how we've lost 2 really good, athletic QBs because the staff believes in a guy who is very average and whose performance this season was uninspiring. I just don't see it.
You would think we had the next Bryce Petty lined up.
I have to wonder how this is going to affect our ability to recruit QBs going forward.

Meanwhile let's get ready to hear excuses about how the offensive line is the worst in the country and how we have WRs who can't get open and can't run routes
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Ghostrider said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.


Sure he will. You have to start with something. 6'2" 223 is something. There are coaches who believe they can fix the mechanics.

If I'm Syracuse, I'm calling.
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From what I saw, Drones was more elusive as a runner than Bohannon.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Ghostrider said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.


Sure he will. You have to start with something. 6'2" 223 is something. There are coaches who believe they can fix the mechanics.

If I'm Syracuse, I'm calling.

Dude was a 4 star recruit with 20 plus offers
I'm sure there are a number of schools who would be interested
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PaperBear89 said:

BaylorGuru said:

Aranda completely botched the qb situation. He deserves to be blamed
Gonna actually agree with FrogGuru on this one.


Where are the Admins on this? If he is a frog he shouldn't have that username.
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robby44 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Ghostrider said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.


Sure he will. You have to start with something. 6'2" 223 is something. There are coaches who believe they can fix the mechanics.

If I'm Syracuse, I'm calling.

Dude was a 4 star recruit with 20 plus offers
I'm sure there are a number of schools who would be interested


Florida needs a QB.
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I continue to be amazed at the number of Shapen apologists on this site.
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BUMBA1 said:

I continue to be amazed at the number of Shapen apologists on this site.

It is quite shocking. As a school who has produced a Heisman winner i would think we'd have a little higher expectations
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BUMBA1 said:

I continue to be amazed at the number of Shapen apologists on this site.


I'm not. My standard position is to not be critical of coaches and players. It's infuriating how we're managing the QBs the last 3 years.

We stick with losing ( 2-7), move from winning (12-2), stick with losing (6-6) , lose last 3 games. One by blowout where the backup got no snaps).
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Shakesbear said:

Bigkahunaww said:

JP1037 said:



Novosad he should be game 1 starter if he is healthy and our line can protect him a little.



His bio list him at 6-3" and 185 lbs.
I would think he is going to need to bulk up quite a bit.
Shapen playing at 200 lbs gets bounced like a pinball.


Sorry to see Drones go. I thought his arm strength, mobility and knowledge of the offense should have warranted him some more playing time. Even if it was some wildcat plays.

I'm just hoping Grimes and Aranda aren't playing #12 as the best card for next year.


Shapen will hit the portal too if Novosad beats him out next spring. I don't really know how you can keep a decent backup QB these days

Guess we'll have wait and find out when we have a decent QB.
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Ghostrider said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.

And yet he made it to the finals of the Elite 11 QB competition. Do those Mannings not know what a damned QB looks like???
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robby44 said:

BUMBA1 said:

I continue to be amazed at the number of Shapen apologists on this site.

It is quite shocking. As a school who has produced a Heisman winner i would think we'd have a little higher expectations
As a school that's always touting excellence, our continuing acceptance of, if not quest for, football mediocrity over time is noteworthy.
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Can we go ahead and bring this kid into Spring practice?

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I wish Shapen had entered the portal and Drones could have been our starter next year.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Ghostrider said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.


Drones passing % was less than 50% in hs. Unless he improves dramatically, he won't be going anywhere.


Sure he will. You have to start with something. 6'2" 223 is something. There are coaches who believe they can fix the mechanics.

If I'm Syracuse, I'm calling.
I'm talking the NFL, which is what I was replying to.
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We have seen very little of Drones. He may be great but it is totally unknown at this time. Don't know why so many people think he will be the savior without knowing much at all about his skills.






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Bear3 said:

We have seen very little of Drones. He may be great but it is totally unknown at this time. Don't know why so many people think he will be the savior without knowing much at all about his skills.
Because the backup quarterback is the most popular player on any team. All those same people wanted Shapen to replace Gerry last year.

I think it's likely that Drones is not an upgrade over Shapen. The only disappointment I have in his handling is not giving him a chance to spark the offense against K-State. There was no risk in giving him the rest of that game after we stalled out in our first drive out of halftime. If he's good, you have a chance to win that game. And if he's bad, it solidifies Shapen's standing as the clear best option. Both are positive outcomes compared to what ended up happening.
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I'm concerned because:
1) He's an athletic QB.
2) No guarantee Novasad will be here,yet.
3) BU hasn't exactly been fortunate to have the starting QB healthy for ALL the season going back to RGIII
Best I can remember we haven't had maybe but ONE that wasn't hurt going back to RGIII.
4) Shapen, physically, is questionable of making a full season w/o injury.
5) He's short and really not that athletic
6) Is our coaching staff/QB coach capable of correcting mechanic issues.

LOTS of players will be gone next year due to graduation, portal, etc. Looking for something to have comfort in that we can compete like we want and expect.
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bear2be2 said:

Bear3 said:

We have seen very little of Drones. He may be great but it is totally unknown at this time. Don't know why so many people think he will be the savior without knowing much at all about his skills.
The only disappointment I have in his handling is not giving him a chance to spark the offense against K-State. There was no risk in giving him the rest of that game after we stalled out in our first drive out of halftime. If he's good, you have a chance to win that game. And if he's bad, it solidifies Shapen's standing as the clear best option. Both are positive outcomes compared to what ended up happening.
Same here. That was very frustrating. It seemed like a no lose situation to at least give Drones a look in that game when it was clear we wouldn't be making a come back. If Shapen is your ride or die guy seems like it would still make sense to pull him at that point just to protect him and keep him healthy for the next game.
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Big_Pumpin said:

Naw the only person responsible for Drones leaving is Drones. The only person responsible for Gerry leaving was Gerry.

Maybe. Benching the starter for the best Baylor team maybe ever is on the coaches. I'd rather Gerry be mediocre somewhere else, than sit on our bench after what he did for us.

What an embarrassment this coaching staff is. Drones going to the portal tells you all you need to know.
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BBWCBear said:

I'm concerned because:
1) He's an athletic QB.
2) No guarantee Novasad will be here,yet.
3
) BU hasn't exactly been fortunate to have the starting QB healthy for ALL the season going back to RGIII
Best I can remember we haven't had maybe but ONE that wasn't hurt going back to RGIII.
4) Shapen, physically, is questionable of making a full season w/o injury.
5) He's short and really not that athletic
6) Is our coaching staff/QB coach capable of correcting mechanic issues.

LOTS of players will be gone next year due to graduation, portal, etc. Looking for something to have comfort in that we can compete like we want and expect.
Since the coaching staff promised Novosad they wouldn't recruit a QB in 2022, I can't imagine he would renig on the deal.
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Bear3 said:

We have seen very little of Drones. He may be great but it is totally unknown at this time. Don't know why so many people think he will be the savior without knowing much at all about his skills.







While this may be true, I would offer that chances are he would not have been worse.
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boognish_bear said:


That's a pretty dramatic upgrade over Petras.
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Bigkahunaww said:

BBWCBear said:

I'm concerned because:
1) He's an athletic QB.
2) No guarantee Novasad will be here,yet.
3
) BU hasn't exactly been fortunate to have the starting QB healthy for ALL the season going back to RGIII
Best I can remember we haven't had maybe but ONE that wasn't hurt going back to RGIII.
4) Shapen, physically, is questionable of making a full season w/o injury.
5) He's short and really not that athletic
6) Is our coaching staff/QB coach capable of correcting mechanic issues.

LOTS of players will be gone next year due to graduation, portal, etc. Looking for something to have comfort in that we can compete like we want and expect.
Since the coaching staff promised Novosad they wouldn't recruit a QB in 2022, I can't imagine he would renig on the deal.



That can't be true. We're still in the running for DJ Lagway (and he's legacy)
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Bear3 said:

We have seen very little of Drones. He may be great but it is totally unknown at this time. Don't know why so many people think he will be the savior without knowing much at all about his skills.









Yep. I trust Aranda and if Aranda doesn't believe in him, then we shouldn't. To not get playing time over Shapen speaks volumes.
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Notre Dame QB, Drew Pyne enters portal.
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NIL and transfers are Thunderdome.




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Baylor student wins Dr Pepper QB toss at the Georgia/ LSU game.
Maybe Bell should have been there………..lol.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

Bigkahunaww said:

BBWCBear said:

I'm concerned because:
1) He's an athletic QB.
2) No guarantee Novasad will be here,yet.
3
) BU hasn't exactly been fortunate to have the starting QB healthy for ALL the season going back to RGIII
Best I can remember we haven't had maybe but ONE that wasn't hurt going back to RGIII.
4) Shapen, physically, is questionable of making a full season w/o injury.
5) He's short and really not that athletic
6) Is our coaching staff/QB coach capable of correcting mechanic issues.

LOTS of players will be gone next year due to graduation, portal, etc. Looking for something to have comfort in that we can compete like we want and expect.
Since the coaching staff promised Novosad they wouldn't recruit a QB in 2022, I can't imagine he would renig on the deal.



That can't be true. We're still in the running for DJ Lagway (and he's legacy)


There are a couple people on this board that know his dad, and they have said that he is not likely to come to Baylor. I think Florida is his number one choice

Our best bet is to maintain that relationship and hope that he gets a beat out at Florida or wherever by the next great five star and keep a seat warm for him here
 
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