bear2be2 said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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You avoid that fate by bunkering down and keeping independent eyeballs off the evidence. Given the choice between fixing the problem or hiding the problem, I'm glad we chose the former.

It was painful at the time, but we're waaaaaayyyyyyyy healthier as a university and athletic program now than we would have been if we had handled our scandal the conventional way.

We don't get any credit for that from the outside, and that sucks. But we have stronger leaders at all levels and better policies in place than we would have otherwise.

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Stronger leaders? Highly doubt it. Maybe some here and there.

Now compare Art and say Gary Patterson? Let's talk legitimate adjudicated events? This has to sk with Baylor / Art Briles destroying texas and ou for years and amazing enough talent to have Alabama attempting to litigate what offenses could be run in college due to player health risks

Baylor was lined up to compete for multiple national titles. That's how not a single R conviction and some texts led to the demise of Art Briles

Only at baylor.

Mocking tcu just got even more entertaining.

It was the double team sex cell phone video with 2 football players and a volleyball player that doomed him.

Once PH showed that cell phone video…he was toast.

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It was the double team sex cell phone video with 2 football players and a volleyball player that doomed him.

Once PH showed that cell phone video…he was toast.

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Art produced this video? Wow. Never heard this. KB working the cam?

Silly

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Don't know what you're saying

Believe it or not, baylor students make sex tapes. I guess that may shock some of the boomers. Probably most have done it sadly. I guess no players at Bama made any sex tapes. Happened when RG3 was here too. Maybe that's what you're referring to?

All of what you say is correct….

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If 100 D1 football programs had been presented with the identical fact situation Baylor faced in 2015-16, only one would have handled it as poorly as did Baylor. Was Art Briles absolutely free of blame? No. Did Art Briles run his program any differently than the vast majority of other D1 head football coaches during his tenure here? No.

The other 99 programs/administrations would have handled it as follows:

1. First, they would have had a functioning Title IX office handing out clear instructions. Baylor? No.
2. There would have been a clear chain of command for ALL departments within the university regarding matters like this, with training, instructions, guidelines, etc.
3. Would Art Briles have followed those instructions? Yes.
4. Even without the preceding three items, which would have kept the problems from existing, the other 99 programs would have managed to handle the problems in a way that would have allowed Briles to continue and not give Baylor such a black eye. If you believe problems such as the ones at Baylor didn't (and don't) exist on other campuses, then I suggest a simple Google search.

Baylor had a uniquely terrible method of handling problems. For decades, the solution was to try to sweep them under the table and act like Baylor students all spent Saturday night studying their Sunday School lesson. Then, when that bit them in the backside, they overreacted like fools.

All members of the Briles family are justified in being disgusted with Baylor.

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That Baylor is the only program that would take an introspective look and make the necessary changes at all levels of leadership and policy is a feather in its cap, not a mark against it.

I'm proud that Baylor did the right and difficult thing. Our university leadership and athletic program culture is much better off for it.

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The way the BOR is structured hasn't changed and still leaves plenty of opportunities for them to turn a blind eye when it is convenient.

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That so many are willing to overlook that because we won a lot of football games at the time is sad.

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This is really the beginning and the end of the "Briles was railroaded" argument to me. Had Briles done the exact same things - to the word - and been a .500 coach, he'd be unanimously burned at the stake by those who now defend him. The fact that he not only got us winning again, but did so after such an obnoxiously fallow period of years, has largely blinded some to his egregious and unforgiveable errors, particularly as a so-called leader of young men.

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No if Briles teams went .500 none of us would have heard about any "scandals"

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Thee University said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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Once again, I don't care what happens at other universities. I care what happens at the one I actually care about. I would rather us be worthless athletically for 1,000 years than harbor low character leaders like Art Briles through their storms.

The board handled it by ripping the bandaid off. We could've gone into damage control, lessened the blow, deflected the blame, harried and questioned the accusers through public campaigns, done all the things many other programs would've done to Protect the Brand. Many would have preferred we do that. We'd all feel real nice about Baylor football, feel like whew, we really dodged a bullet there, like we could all go on buying our flashy CAB merch with no consequences. It wouldn't have changed the facts of the case, that Briles knowingly shielded more than a dozen real crimes from judicial affairs that had nothing to do with rape, that he used Colin Shillinglaw as his fixer to shut up apartment supers, numerous women and Waco PD officers from ringing up legitimate crimes, that he openly colluded with Ian McCaw to shield those crimes from the university, that he used his recruiters, including his own son, to openly sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

That's a take. Interesting

Maybe related to A Board member?

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Reverend said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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Once again, I don't care what happens at other universities. I care what happens at the one I actually care about. I would rather us be worthless athletically for 1,000 years than harbor low character leaders like Art Briles through their storms.

The board handled it by ripping the bandaid off. We could've gone into damage control, lessened the blow, deflected the blame, harried and questioned the accusers through public campaigns, done all the things many other programs would've done to Protect the Brand. Many would have preferred we do that. We'd all feel real nice about Baylor football, feel like whew, we really dodged a bullet there, like we could all go on buying our flashy CAB merch with no consequences. It wouldn't have changed the facts of the case, that Briles knowingly shielded more than a dozen real crimes from judicial affairs that had nothing to do with rape, that he used Colin Shillinglaw as his fixer to shut up apartment supers, numerous women and Waco PD officers from ringing up legitimate crimes, that he openly colluded with Ian McCaw to shield those crimes from the university, that he used his recruiters, including his own son, to openly sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. Lo That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

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parch said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with really sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

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Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

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If you took an exit poll of graduating seniors in the last 3-4 semesters at Baylor of the Briles tenure, you'd learn some interesting things, namely:

That you didn't convince the student body that Baylor leadership believed and practiced it's own Christian mission.

In fact, many students expressed to other alums that the Board was corrupt and members were directly involved in coverups and the scandal.

Now, we can try and make excuses all day long, but the bottom line is, The blameshifting wasn't convincing..

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Reverend said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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Once again, I don't care what happens at other universities. I care what happens at the one I actually care about. I would rather us be worthless athletically for 1,000 years than harbor low character leaders like Art Briles through their storms.

The board handled it by ripping the bandaid off. We could've gone into damage control, lessened the blow, deflected the blame, harried and questioned the accusers through public campaigns, done all the things many other programs would've done to Protect the Brand. Many would have preferred we do that. We'd all feel real nice about Baylor football, feel like whew, we really dodged a bullet there, like we could all go on buying our flashy CAB merch with no consequences. It wouldn't have changed the facts of the case, that Briles knowingly shielded more than a dozen real crimes from judicial affairs that had nothing to do with rape, that he used Colin Shillinglaw as his fixer to shut up apartment supers, numerous women and Waco PD officers from ringing up legitimate crimes, that he openly colluded with Ian McCaw to shield those crimes from the university, that he used his recruiters, including his own son, to openly sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

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You do realize that's all hearsay right?

parch said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Reverend said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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Once again, I don't care what happens at other universities. I care what happens at the one I actually care about. I would rather us be worthless athletically for 1,000 years than harbor low character leaders like Art Briles through their storms.

The board handled it by ripping the bandaid off. We could've gone into damage control, lessened the blow, deflected the blame, harried and questioned the accusers through public campaigns, done all the things many other programs would've done to Protect the Brand. Many would have preferred we do that. We'd all feel real nice about Baylor football, feel like whew, we really dodged a bullet there, like we could all go on buying our flashy CAB merch with no consequences. It wouldn't have changed the facts of the case, that Briles knowingly shielded more than a dozen real crimes from judicial affairs that had nothing to do with rape, that he used Colin Shillinglaw as his fixer to shut up apartment supers, numerous women and Waco PD officers from ringing up legitimate crimes, that he openly colluded with Ian McCaw to shield those crimes from the university, that he used his recruiters, including his own son, to openly sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

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BU cleaned much of the house but then just painted over some dirty walls without cleaning them.

RR and others took some time off and came back to different positions. Still employed. Still with their reputations. Still just as guilty. Still not scapegoated like Art.

UT and all the other B12 schools benefited by BUs embarrassing situation.

When UT had an embarrassing situation like wearing dildos on their head, only a Baylor BOR member profited. Who was that Parch?

No SA's (0) were allowed to be reported at Baylor at all for years before Art came. How about the BOR's micro-managing that? Those crimes were covered up by the holier than thou BOR. Art would definitely do things better, and he even told them he would make whatever changes they said, but they knew with one finger pointing at Art, there were 3 pointing back at the BOR, so, they had to wipe him out.

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No SA's (0) were allowed to be reported at Baylor at all for years before Art came. How about the BOR's micro-managing that? Those crimes were covered up by the holier than thou BOR. Art would definitely do things better, and he even told them he would make whatever changes they said, but they knew with one finger pointing at Art, there were 3 pointing back at the BOR, so, they had to wipe him out.

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How many SA since Art left? 20,000 horny teenagers and booze and nothing in going on 7 years now. Impressive.

For the love of god, can we please just let this thread die? No one has contributed anything new to this issue that has been beat to death for what is approaching a decade now.

2,432 days!

And how many posts have you had?

I'm guilty, but I only respond. It is time to let it go.

"There are none so blind as those that cannot see."
Little Donny Darkness

Actually the whole BOR thing still has a few Alums waiting for an apology from the Baylor Administration for being called brain dead by one of the notorious Regents that spent his time chasing down and punishing "Baylor Tarts" because they drank a lttle wine.

I realize that apology will never come, but the disrespect will not be forgotten either.

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Actually the whole BOR thing still has a few Alums waiting for an apology from the Baylor Administration for being called brain dead by one of the notorious Regents that spent his time chasing down and punishing "Baylor Tarts" because they drank a lttle wine.

I realize that apology will never come, but the disrespect will not be forgotten either.

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They won't tell you about the BMDs that tell them to give up their board seat.

bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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You avoid that fate by bunkering down and keeping independent eyeballs off the evidence. Given the choice between fixing the problem or hiding the problem, I'm glad we chose the former.

It was painful at the time, but we're waaaaaayyyyyyyy healthier as a university and athletic program now than we would have been if we had handled our scandal the conventional way.

We don't get any credit for that from the outside, and that sucks. But we have stronger leaders at all levels and better policies in place than we would have otherwise.

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I get what you're saying, but we went way beyond transparency. In a litigation move, a handful of board members actually went so far as to embellish what happened. They interpreted all of the evidence in a way that placed criminal intent on like 20 something players and leaked it to the Wall Street Journal. That is what has us looking like sexual assault u. It was completely self-serving, and dishonest from what has been established legally, and was calculated in order to destroy Briles, and in the process it destroyed our school's reputation.

parch said:

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Chuckroast said:

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Thee University said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Reverend said:

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Got a response from both of you. Disappointing, but not unexpected. I was just asking you to shut up. You won.

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In what warped way is having your university's image and reputation tarnished beyond repair by an unscrupulous coach and staff winning?

I'm glad we didn't compound our mistakes, and choose football over everything else. But winning would have been not being put in that position in the first place.

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Amen.

2,431 days and still we have limp-wristed, spineless Madden video heroes crying and self flagellating. Good grief. Just because you shook Art's hand once or twice you are assuming he actually cared for each of you individually???

I blame Ian more than anyone. He should have sat Art and his family staff down after each season and reviewed all of the smoke that started pouring out of Baylor around 2009 to 2010. Ian should have reviewed with the coaches the way Baylor operates and that it is different than state schools. Ian should have put his size 7 foot down and forcefully (ha!) reminded them that they could not allow their festering, undisciplined, gang-banging to occur at Baylor. An annual, after season check up and correction plan should have been implemented. The smoke from each incident should have been extinguished and the starters of said fires expelled. Players and coaches.

Now, having said that, I'm not sure Art's ego would have allowed for Ian's baby-sitting plan to be successfully adopted. I think this is part of the reason Art was shopping himself around. He knew his methods would eventually overload his @$$.

Baylor was NEVER going allow anyone to ride roughshod over her 165+ years of Christian education and Texas leadership.

Quit crying and living in your altered universe. It's over. We gave that staff everything they needed to be successful and were more than patient with their fires that Ian was incapable of putting out.

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I'm not trying to defend the bad things that happened under Briles's tenure, but it was the way the board handled it that set the university on fire.

We all know that similar stuff happens at universities across the country, both within sports programs, and in the general student body, but these universities don't come out of it looking like the poster child for sexual assault. That's on our board.

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Once again, I don't care what happens at other universities. I care what happens at the one I actually care about. I would rather us be worthless athletically for 1,000 years than harbor low character leaders like Art Briles through their storms.

The board handled it by ripping the bandaid off. We could've gone into damage control, lessened the blow, deflected the blame, harried and questioned the accusers through public campaigns, done all the things many other programs would've done to Protect the Brand. Many would have preferred we do that. We'd all feel real nice about Baylor football, feel like whew, we really dodged a bullet there, like we could all go on buying our flashy CAB merch with no consequences. It wouldn't have changed the facts of the case, that Briles knowingly shielded more than a dozen real crimes from judicial affairs that had nothing to do with rape, that he used Colin Shillinglaw as his fixer to shut up apartment supers, numerous women and Waco PD officers from ringing up legitimate crimes, that he openly colluded with Ian McCaw to shield those crimes from the university, that he used his recruiters, including his own son, to openly sell the sexuality of our coeds as a tool. I have higher standards than these. Maybe you don't.

Where I am proud of Baylor is that we didn't go the Florida route after Meyer left. We didn't sell our souls for competitiveness. We didn't throw a blanket on the problems and let them fester. We cleaned house. That's awesome to me. Life is bigger than wins.

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You're completely missing the point. I'm not trying to excuse what happened just because it happens everywhere else. What I'm saying is we are the freaking poster child for sexual assault, and we don't deserve that label. We have that label only because of the way our board handled the situation.

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And how many posts have you had?

I'm guilty, but I only respond. It is time to let it go.

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Yep, he's probably had at least 2,432 posts on the subject.

“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

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Because nobody has more experience with finger than Brenda.......

boognish_bear said:

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“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

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Did Mike Finger say anything when Texas was among the first to hire a former Briles assistant?

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boognish_bear said:

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“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

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Did Mike Finger say anything when Texas was among the first to hire a former Briles assistant?

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I know. It sucks that somehow we are still getting media blow back when it's other schools that are picking these guys up.

As far as I can tell Rhule and Aranda have both run very upstanding programs that would probably fare better on a close inspection than many other P5 programs.

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And how many posts have you had?

I'm guilty, but I only respond. It is time to let it go.

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I only respond when one of you nimrods brings the sad little tale back up. As a former player who spent 4 years trying hard to leave the Baylor program in better shape than when I got there, I have a unique attachment that you and 99% on here don't have. You can't understand.

When hired guns embarrassed the program by breaking rules and ditched common decency, wiped their tails with Baylor Mission Statements and generally were allowed to taint the program that wiped away all of the positives their wins and turn around accomplished, yes, I feel a duty to make a few comments to those still trying to re-write history.

boognish_bear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

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Did Mike Finger say anything when Texas was among the first to hire a former Briles assistant?

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I know. It sucks that somehow we are still getting media blow back when it's other schools that are picking these guys up.

As far as I can tell Rhule and Aranda have both run very upstanding programs that would probably fare better on a close inspection than many other P5 programs.

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Yep. This narrative of Baylor being at fault for the hiring choices of other schools is ludicrous.

Baylor paid its penance. We voluntarily ended the Briles era and ushered out all relevant subjects from that time. If you want to relitigate our decisions from 2008-2015, fine. But I don't see how anyone can find fault with the decisions the university has made in response to that time period -- particularly when compared to the responses of other universities in similar situations.

At this point, anyone who hires a Briles-era assistant is on the hook by itself for that decision. Baylor has nothing to do with it.

boognish_bear said:

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“But year by year, little by little, the same schools that were sure they’d never overlook what Baylor did keep doing exactly that.”

Good read by @mikefinger https://t.co/6aVyu5AzCb

— Brenda Tracy (@brendatracy24) January 22, 2023

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Poor Brenda. She doesn't even realize that all the cool kids in the room have #MovedOn years ago and left her holding the bag. Hollywood and Disney no longer care about #MeToo

I dont think anyone is blaming Baylor for other school's hiring choices. It is more like criticizing schools for hiring choices knowing about the Baylor situation when the new coach was on the staff at Baylor.

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I dont think anyone is blaming Baylor for other school's hiring choices. It is more like criticizing schools for hiring choices knowing about the Baylor situation when the new coach was on the staff at Baylor.

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The DMN editorial definitely tried to deflect blame off of TCU and onto Baylor. It was absurd.

We're living in an age when the media has split into propagandists meant to weaponize information to suit a political agenda.

Finger and the Rape Profiteer are the mouth piece of the Left.
You'll notice that her higher profile supporters seem scarce.
But most propagandists, especially in Sports media are becoming irrelevant.

Anyone can have an opinion in the new digital age. Facts on the other hand are scarce.

I think TCU is in the clear now. They had to endure about 3 days of a little social media fire storm....but crickets today.

Unless something specific comes up with KB this probably won't come up again for them.