Jacques Strap said:

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How did I make it through 4 years and two summers at Baylor and never once learn of these parties?

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You must have never visited The Island....may she Rest In Peace.

Joecool114 said:

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As a current student I'm actually really surprised that you didn't think this stuff went on at Baylor. I guess the dangers of the "it doesn't happen here" mentality is also one of the most important lessons everyone's learned from the past 2 years or so.

One thing I don't think you touched on enough is the drug use. Drugs are more common at Baylor than you might think, the combination of a largely affluent student body with the availability of drugs in Waco make it pretty common for a lot of sororities/fraternities to have someone dealing. Another thing about these students that live this lifestyle is honestly you would never know just by looking at them. I know innocent looking sorority girls who were 4.0 business fellows who dealt some serious drugs in serious quantities for years. I think there is a big disconnect from the largely older alumnus on this board (and around Baylor in general) compared to the students on campus today.

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Drugs, except for weed, were not that common back in the early 90s. Heard a dude offer my Penland roommate X one night when they came in. When they left again in the early morning hours minutes later, I threw all his shlt from the dorm room out of the 2nd story window. Told him I didn't put up with drug users and he'll have to explain to Dub Oliver why his shlt was outside. Never had a problem with him after that.

I saw one of my football buddies sneak a girl into Brooks Hall back in 1982 and it wasn't even Open Dorm Sunday! I heard that another of my football buds snuck a six pack of beer in one time. Needless to say, these two events were just ABSOLUTELY shocking to me. THE HOORRRRROOORRR!!!!

I snuck a girl into Penland in the 90s. She was 5ft2. In a laundry bag. Those were hard times fellas.

It was a great idea u Til she needed to use the restroom. Of course Saturday night was the night that my dorm neighbor, we will call him Jason, had returned from LaFiesta. Awkwardness ensued.

She had the audacity to complain when I hit her head on the doorway carrying her out.

I hope women are more appreciative now.

Alleged victims have already claimed their quotes were distorted.....not sure how anyone can claim this book would have any truth to it

Baylor is a collection of 18-22 year old kids - we can ***** and moan all we want, but it will always be a collection of 18-22 year old kids. It'll never stop.

80sBEAR said:

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I saw one of my football buddies sneak a girl into Brooks Hall back in 1982 and it wasn't even Open Dorm Sunday! I heard that another of my football buds snuck a six pack of beer in one time. Needless to say, these two events were just ABSOLUTELY shocking to me. THE HOORRRRROOORRR!!!!

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Ecstasy was legal when we were in school Jim until the last year. You could buy it at clubs. There was a lot going on.

MilliVanilli said:

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Seeming you're nothing but a Briles shill, we can assume your "we" is that dismissed inner circle.

Sorry our standards were higher than your own.

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You're the only one here who is so fixated on Briles. It's weird. Most everyone else sees the larger narrative in which he was just one part.

IN 3 years never saw a Baylor student drunk, Never saw someone drinking on campus. Only smelled it on a couple of men off campus. Heard about drinking at apt. rented by some very wealthy brothers from famous family. Perhaps a whole floor at big hotel in Waco. That was it. So when I hear about all this it is quite disturbing. Still no one has answered the question about why so few legal charges if all these rapes.

BirelART Bear said:

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Baylor is a collection of 18-22 year old kids - we can ***** and moan all we want, but it will always be a collection of 18-22 year old kids. It'll never stop.

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Pastorron said:

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IN 3 years never saw a Baylor student drunk, Never saw someone drinking on campus. Only smelled it on a couple of men off campus. Heard about drinking at apt. rented by some very wealthy brothers from famous family. Perhaps a whole floor at big hotel in Waco. That was it. So when I hear about all this it is quite disturbing. Still no one has answered the question about why so few legal charges if all these rapes.

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because these are usually drunken or drug induced hook-ups. Take away the drugs and alcohol and you would have a lot fewer sexual assault allegations. A lot of football players just want to have sex, get in fights, get drunk or get high. I think it is a minority but it seems most teams have 10 to 15 of those guys and that is where your problems come from.

Not going to read this book. I know the song and verse. Ready to move on.

Pastorron said:

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IN 3 years never saw a Baylor student drunk, Never saw someone drinking on campus. Only smelled it on a couple of men off campus. Heard about drinking at apt. rented by some very wealthy brothers from famous family. Perhaps a whole floor at big hotel in Waco. That was it. So when I hear about all this it is quite disturbing. Still no one has answered the question about why so few legal charges if all these rapes.

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We had a very different experience.

The silver lining is most grew up and are reasonably productive members of society.

The Baylor blue bloods that thought Baylor was impervious to the social inexplictives displayed in the book are the ones that need a reality check.

This is a result of expectations not being met. Baylor Blue Bloods expected Baylor and its faculty, staff, and students to be above the inexplictives of immature behavior. When in reality they are just like every other college out there.

The media only makes it worse by highlighting these occurrences at Baylor and not putting it into context of how Baylor fits in among all colleges

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MilliVanilli said:

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Seeming you're nothing but a Briles shill, we can assume your "we" is that dismissed inner circle.

Sorry our standards were higher than your own.

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You're the only one here who is so fixated on Briles. It's weird. Most everyone else sees the larger narrative in which he was just one part.

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Me thinks you must think no one can read your posts in every thread.

Sad. You've got a hard-on for Briles and that's all you can see.

I hate to hear this. Disappointed. We are getting farther away from our Lord everyday. In every part of our society. We forget to be the light and instead choose the darkness. I know Baylor is not perfect but we need to get back to the business of being God centered. And before you jump on my case, I love football and yes , I want to win, and no I don't blame the whole football team for our problems. It sounds like it has gotten out of control in every area of our social life. Just sad

Spent 5 years and was in a sorority and never heard of any of these things. Of course, I was a little naive.

BaylorProud77 said:

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I hate to hear this. Disappointed. We are getting farther away from our Lord everyday. In every part of our society. We forget to be the light and instead choose the darkness. I know Baylor is not perfect but we need to get back to the business of being God centered. And before you jump on my case, I love football and yes , I want to win, and no I don't blame the whole football team for our problems. It sounds like it has gotten out of control in every area of our social life. Just sad

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That was just one guy's take. There are other current students on this very thread who paint a completely different picture.

When I was in school (2006-2011), there was a little something for everyone at Baylor and it seemed as though students gravitated towards the social circles that were looking for a similar type of college experience. I bet it isn't much different now.

Lolol, you are so aweful. We are trying to be serious about this stuff. Of course, that is just about only the worse thing in my days. This other stuff , I never knew existed.

Robert Wilson said:

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Sad. You've got a hard-on for Briles and that's all you can see.

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You truly are someone divorced from the reality of your own posts, if only we all could be so lucky.

You are.

Robert Wilson said:

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You are.

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I know, but what am I?

Robert Wilson said:

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You are.

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You're literally reduced to nanny nanny boo boo, thanks for the laugh.

You might've understood Mr Rogers' train.

Everything since then has been a whiff.

When I was there (95-00) and then visited quite a bit from 00-02 while my gf (now wife) finished, my experience was Baylor was somewhat unique to other schools, as we had what I'd consider the somewhat normal college crowd. They drank on occasion, attended parties and some even experimented with drugs (I mean, it is college). What made Baylor unique is that you had another crowd that didn't do any of this and really looked down at those that did. I'm sure every university has this, but when I visited other colleges, you saw a lot of this. When visiting UT I was amazed by the parties they threw --- some spent more money than KOT's float on a party. I'm not sure there is anything a university can do other than educate your students not to be naive and expect that this won't happen at your university.

While it appears that Baylor is making changes, I've very concerned after speaking to some of the leadership that is charge of making these changes. Their conclusion for what lead to this epidemic (not only at Baylor, but everywhere) is that the easy access to porn has changed culture. While this may have something to do with it, (in my opinion very little), I'm worried they are missing the boat on how to educate and or prevent alcohol, drug and sex issues I fear they have folks trying to make this decision that have never been a part of that lifestyle. Even worse, I'm not even sure they understand has society has changed about sex. Any show you watch these days, it's like sex is the end game to anything.... then some young man goes out and relives what he sees on TV, only to have the woman have remorse and F is life .

I was a student from 79-85, undergrad & law school. Apparently I either didn't have or had the right friends, depending on your perspective. I never knew anything about stuff like this happening, and I am glad I did not. Ive always said 'you can find anything you want at Baylor,' but never really thought you could find THIS if that's what you're looking for. Perhaps that makes me part of the head-in-the-sand crowd, and it certainly seems that this type of attitude among the administration is a huge part of the problem.

This is not a football or briles problem. It is a university problem. It is a college, and a society problem. Obviously that doesn't get clicks so in the press it remains Baylor, football and briles. The decisions to terminate Starr, Briles, McCaw, and others were a good start, but there is a ton of housecleaning that still needs to be done.

I too find it remarkable that no enterprising little truth-finders are spending their time at schools with publicly known problems, and it's pretty easy to attribute that to anti-Christian bias in the press.

I am utterly ashamed of Baylor and what it has done (and what it failed to pro-actively do) to put people in harms way and to destroy the school's reputation.

Beaneater said:

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I was a student from 79-85, undergrad & law school. Apparently I either didn't have or had the right friends, depending on your perspective. I never knew anything about stuff like this happening, and I am glad I did not. Ive always said 'you can find anything you want at Baylor,' but never really thought you could find THIS if that's what you're looking for. Perhaps that makes me part of the head-in-the-sand crowd, and it certainly seems that this type of attitude among the administration is a huge part of the problem.

This is not a football or briles problem. It is a university problem. It is a college, and a society problem. Obviously that doesn't get clicks so in the press it remains Baylor, football and briles. The decisions to terminate Starr, Briles, McCaw, and others were a good start, but there is a ton of housecleaning that still needs to be done.

I too find it remarkable that no enterprising little truth-finders are spending their time at schools with publicly known problems, and it's pretty easy to attribute that to anti-Christian bias in the press.

I am utterly ashamed of Baylor and what it has done (and what it failed to pro-actively do) to put people in harms way and to destroy the school's reputation.

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I truly believe that if Baylor was a state school that all of this would have disappeared rapidly simply due to the fact that max settlement amounts are normally limited. The check cutting is fast tracked. I'm not saying it's right, just that the PR firestorm dissipates quicker. These are societal problems, no matter what any Baylor-hating loony wants to believe. The Feds need to set up their own educational sexual assault enforcement squad. It's their policy, so they should enforce it.

FWBear91 said:

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I really hope ... that I won't read another story about a frat boy raping someone at a party, or students having sex with HS recruits, or a football player beating up his girlfriend, or a Diadeloso get together turning into a gang bang.

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It's too bad Texas and TCU fans celebrate reading every Baylor story like this.

ValpoCory said:

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FWBear91 said:

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I really hope ... that I won't read another story about a frat boy raping someone at a party, or students having sex with HS recruits, or a football player beating up his girlfriend, or a Diadeloso get together turning into a gang bang.

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It's too bad Texas and TCU fans celebrate reading every Baylor story like this.

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The difference is that they acknowledge that those actions occur.

YoakDaddy said:

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ValpoCory said:

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FWBear91 said:

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I really hope ... that I won't read another story about a frat boy raping someone at a party, or students having sex with HS recruits, or a football player beating up his girlfriend, or a Diadeloso get together turning into a gang bang.

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It's too bad Texas and TCU fans celebrate reading every Baylor story like this.

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The difference is that they acknowledge that those actions occur.

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Dumb post is dumb

Chanceux said:

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Beaneater said:

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I was a student from 79-85, undergrad & law school. Apparently I either didn't have or had the right friends, depending on your perspective. I never knew anything about stuff like this happening, and I am glad I did not. Ive always said 'you can find anything you want at Baylor,' but never really thought you could find THIS if that's what you're looking for. Perhaps that makes me part of the head-in-the-sand crowd, and it certainly seems that this type of attitude among the administration is a huge part of the problem.

This is not a football or briles problem. It is a university problem. It is a college, and a society problem. Obviously that doesn't get clicks so in the press it remains Baylor, football and briles. The decisions to terminate Starr, Briles, McCaw, and others were a good start, but there is a ton of housecleaning that still needs to be done.

I too find it remarkable that no enterprising little truth-finders are spending their time at schools with publicly known problems, and it's pretty easy to attribute that to anti-Christian bias in the press.

I am utterly ashamed of Baylor and what it has done (and what it failed to pro-actively do) to put people in harms way and to destroy the school's reputation.

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I truly believe that if Baylor was a state school that all of this would have disappeared rapidly simply due to the fact that max settlement amounts are normally limited. The check cutting is fast tracked. I'm not saying it's right, just that the PR firestorm dissipates quicker. These are societal problems, no matter what any Baylor-hating loony wants to believe. The Feds need to set up their own educational sexual assault enforcement squad. It's their policy, so they should enforce it.

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It also would've disappeared, or maybe even just barely gotten a mention in the media if Briles, McCaw and Starr hadn't made the "mistake" of making the football program a nationally relevant winner.

Pastorron said:

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IN 3 years never saw a Baylor student drunk, Never saw someone drinking on campus. Only smelled it on a couple of men off campus. Heard about drinking at apt. rented by some very wealthy brothers from famous family. Perhaps a whole floor at big hotel in Waco. That was it. So when I hear about all this it is quite disturbing. Still no one has answered the question about why so few legal charges if all these rapes.

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Oh man.. were you there 87 years ago?!

I was there from 2008 - 2012, and there was SOOO much partying. It's college! Baylor is no more immune to these behaviors as any other University. I didn't even drink until I was 21 (2010), and even before I drank and attended parties I knew it was rampant!

Again.. it's college. Your name is PastorRon, so you must be a 1%er. The vast majority of Baylor students are college students just like everywhere else.

YoakDaddy said:

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ValpoCory said:

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FWBear91 said:

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I really hope ... that I won't read another story about a frat boy raping someone at a party, or students having sex with HS recruits, or a football player beating up his girlfriend, or a Diadeloso get together turning into a gang bang.

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It's too bad Texas and TCU fans celebrate reading every Baylor story like this.

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The difference is that they acknowledge that those actions occur.

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No they don't. All they do is make rape jokes while pretending they care about the victims and hoping the whole school is shut down. They acknowledge nothing but their hate for Baylor.

100% this. I will never forget the speed it changed from "Will Briles get fired for recruiting dangerous players and not dealing with discipline properly?" to "which of those recruits can we get? Can we get any transfers?"

I've talked to alumni from each of the other three schools in the Big 12 currently under Title IX investigation. None of them knew that their school had messed up the same stuff. You would be very hard pressed to convince me TCU, UT or Tech fans have even a tiny amount of concern for rape victims that don't benefit their football interests.

LBKBEAR said:

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100% this. I will never forget the speed it changed from "Will Briles get fired for recruiting dangerous players and not dealing with discipline properly?" to "which of those recruits can we get? Can we get any transfers?"

I've talked to alumni from each of the other three schools in the Big 12 currently under Title IX investigation. None of them knew that their school had messed up the same stuff. You would be very hard pressed to convince me TCU, UT or Tech fans have even a tiny amount of concern for rape victims that don't benefit their football interests.

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Tech's backup QB was kicked out for sexual assault and let back in the team