BaylorProud77 said:

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Spent 5 years and was in a sorority and never heard of any of these things. Of course, I was a little naive.

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chicks on the forums, chicks on the forums !

There actually wasn't ever any punishment on the football side. He served a university suspension for the spring and summer, I believe. The saintly Tech fans have some interesting thoughts on the victim's drinking.

The part of this that made me really scratch my head was that Livingstone had just been put on blast by the media for not being willing to say that anyone guilty of a Title IX violation should be immediately expelled. Then Tech does this and nobody cares. Selective outrage is an interesting thing.

Robert Wilson said:

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This is why our regents used football as a bright shiny object.

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This.

Amen. Can you say Vanderbilt?

Hutch said:

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... What made Baylor unique is that you had another crowd that didn't do any of this and really looked down at those that did.

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Bingo. Regardless of the number or percentages at Baylor who participate in wildness, Baylor holds a much higher percentage of students as quoted above then any other university save a BYU or ND or Liberty and I'm not sure about ND.

In the mid 2000s, I hung out with both types of people (straight edge and burnouts). It's college, and Baylor is big enough to find what you're looking for, whether it be a Bible study or drugs and partying.

I agree with a lot of the opinions above stating that if Baylor was a bigger state school then things could be different.

I am simply praying that this kind of thing never ever happens again and that one day our name and our football program will no longer be synonymous with a sexual assault scandal!

I'm just telling you that the chicks from the University of Georgia which is the alma mater of Mark Schlabach have a sexual appetite and willingness to try kinky things that VASTLY exceeds the wildest Baylor women.

We need a brave writer to go there and tell the truth by exploiting their females with the lowest form of journalistic expose.

FWBear91 said:

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--House parties that feature gang bangs
--Football players tricking girls into coming over to have sex with multiple guys
--An expectation that a girl who has sex with one guy is willing to be "shared" with his friends
--"Date rape" drugs being frequently used, especially at frat parties
--Audiences forming--and cheering--when people are having sex
--Pot and other drugs freely and openly used
--Drinking to the point of blacking out

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No way (aside from the blacking out.. and the drogas). Just no way.

I was at Baylor in mid to late 2000s and spent multiple nights a week partying with usually a blackout/brownout on the weekends. I can't speak for football parties, but this behavior wasn't anything remotely close to mainstream, even for the people who partied hard. Yeah there was pot, but this was always backroom stuff. Hard drugs were incredibly rare and hardly ever talked about. My fraternity threw all kinds of parties all the time and nothing even remotely close to that ever happened. Gang bangs? GTFO.. Not saying they never ever happened but I call total BS.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I'm just telling you that the chicks from the University of Georgia which is the alma mater of Mark Schlabach have a sexual appetite and willingness to try kinky things that VASTLY exceeds the wildest Baylor women.

We need a brave writer to go there and tell the truth by exploiting their females with the lowest form of journalistic expose.

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can confirm, went on spring break a few years ago and my group met some Georgia lasses and partied with them for the rest of the week and let me tell ya those doggies will hunt

Hi, everyone. For numerous reasons, I haven't posted on this website since many years ago, when it was BaylorFans.com. However, I was just awakened in the middle of the night by a phone call from an old friend who told me that I had better take a look at this particular thread on the forum message board ASAP. He said that someone had posted a message accusing me by name of having been a drug dealer.

So, I logged on here, for the first time in probably 7 years or more, and I read the posts on this thread. Sure enough, I found a post by someone going by the name of TacoBellmead. His posted message referred to me by my full name, Jack Chambers, and further identified me, correctly, as the person who started the tradition of lighting up Pat Neff in green lights after athletic victories.

In the post, it said that I "ran White China." I googled that phrase and discovered that it is a term for dealing heroin.

Let me set the record straight. I have NEVER had ANYTHING to do with ANY illegal drugs. (I will say more about that FALSE accusation later in this post.)

Back in the 1980s (over 30 years ago) I got into some bad legal trouble (civil and criminal) because of some wrong things I did in my financial activities, including writing hot checks. I am ashamed of that chapter of my life. I am especially ashamed of the discredit I brought on my family, on my church, on Baylor University, and on other various people and organizations with which I have had any connections or associations.

I paid a dear price for having done those wrong things back then, with some severe consequences. But, fortunately, the Lord and a lot of people gave me another chance in life. And since that time, I have done my best, with God's help, to try and live an honorable life, though I have still stumbled, here and there.

And in the years since that chapter of my life, I have tried to bring credit to any organization or individual with which I am associated. That includes Baylor University.

Also, though I was publicly critical of the way Baylor basically became independent in the 1990s, I buried that hatchet long ago. And since then, I have done many things to support and promote Baylor over the years. I am a loyal fan who attends many Baylor sports events. I am a member of the Bear Foundation. Also, I have been an independent radio talk-show host on Baylor's football affiliate in Houston (AM 1070), for many years. In fact, though my radio show is mostly about things to see and do in the Houston area and at various travel destinations, I often do Baylor-related stories, reports and interviews, which are designed to promote a positive image of Baylor in general, and of Baylor athletics specifically.

In fact, over the last year or so, as Baylor has endured the vicious attacks to its reputation, including many distortions and outright falsehoods published and broadcast by the media, I have diligently worked behind the scenes to try and help Baylor's image. I have contacted numerous colleagues in the local and national media and urged them to correct inaccuracies that they have made when reporting on the various scandals that have emerged from Baylor.

So, it's especially confusing, awkward, embarrassing and painful when any fellow Baylor fan brings up something about my shameful past, from more than 3 decades ago, especially in a public arena like an internet message board. That's one of the many reasons I stopped posting on BaylorFans.com many years ago.

Many posters on this site didn't like me, didnt like my opinions, didn't like my long-winded posts (like this one... ha!), didnt like the way I communicated, etc. But, unfortunately, instead of just disagreeing with me, some posters did their best to discredit me and hit me below the belt by posting messages about various things they had heard about the troubles I got into years ago. Some of those things were true; some were exaggerated; some were false. But it was always embarrassing and hurtful to see those things posted about me.

So, for that reason and many others, I stopped posting here years ago. But, prompted by the late-night phone call, I log on this site tonight and see that a new low has been reached. Someone on this message board has publicly accused me of being a drug dealer.

As God is my witness, I have never, ever had any involvement with any type of illegal drug (not even marijuana), as a user, nor a dealer. NEVER. I have never been charged with, accused of, or investigated for anything having to do with any illegal drugs. In fact, before I read the post tonight which accused me of being a heroin dealer, I had never heard any such accusation about me.

Let me say something directly to TacoBellmead, whoever you are. I am going to give you a break. I am going to assume that you are the unfortunate victim of a phenomenon that frequently occurs in life, where someone gossips about something, and they pass it on, and it keeps getting passed on, all the while being distorted each step along the way. Maybe that's what happened here. Maybe some gossip over the years about what I actually got in trouble for became distorted to the point where someone told you I had been in trouble for dealing drugs. And, since it's so easy to post things anonymously on an internet message board without checking one's facts and considering the damage that might be done by posting hearsay, you impulsively jumped into the conversation here and repeated something about me that you may have heard somewhere. And you didn't stop to think about how inaccurate your statement might be, and how hurtful and damaging it might be to someone... and a "someone" who is, in this case, a loyal Baylor fan.

So I forgive you for what you did. I started to post a message threatening to pursue legal action against you for posting such a libelous accusation about me. But I'm not going to do that. I forgive you.

I do ask, however, that you do me the courtesy of posting a retraction and an apology. That is, unless you have some solid basis for which to accuse me of dealing drugs at any time in my life. And I assure you that you have no such evidence.

To the rest of you... now you know (as Paul Harvey used to say on the radio) "the rest of the story."

Please pardon the length of this post. But surely you'll agree that this particular matter warranted a lot of space for me to respond.

Oh and, by the way, my screen name here is, and always has been, Backtojack. It is not Back2Jack, nor B2J, nor any of the other bogus screen names that some have created over the years in attempts to impersonate me in bogus posted messages.

I look forward to the upcoming football season and have high hopes for Matt Rhule and his staff and our football team. I have season tickets, as I have for many years, and plan to attend most or all of our home games and maybe even 1 or 2 away games.

Sic 'em, Bears! Adios.

Jack Chambers
Houston, TX
Attended Baylor 1977-81
(Majored in Music, then switched to Communications. Didn't graduate.)
My radio show's website: www.HoustonAndBeyond.com

I wasn't around for your posting years. So, I missed that back-and-forth. Maybe it was a joke that will be cleared up.

There could be alternate explanations. I go to church with a doctor that I knew as a youth. We both grew up 75 miles aways from where we live. Our father's worked for the same grocery chain. He worked there in college as a floater. He cut meat. So he doesn't like it when he is talking to some of the older members about minor surgical procedures. I have a couple of times brought up his vast experience as a butcher. When I clarify that he paid his own way thru four years of college working 32+ a week they admire him more than ever.

Did you ever work at a grocery store that had promotions of buy $10 of groceries get a plate of saucer for a penny? Pretty plain white china.

Ever collect and trade Precious Moments figurines? I live near their HQ. They import those little cherubs.

Jack,
This site, which "merged" with Baylorfans.com (think bought out) is expected to be moderated at a higher level. In other words, there should be a lot less peeing in the pool (only real old school baylorfans.com posters will catch that reference). You might want to stick around and post some.

God bless you Jack. I know He has and will continue to do so.
Brother Frank.

ghostrider said:

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bobo said:

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Yes things like that went on 25 years ago. But it went on at every college and Baylor was better than most.

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That's what a select few number of people don't get about the Briles fiasco, it's not that this doesn't happen elsewhere, it's that we failed to be any different...granted a bunch of opportunistic outsiders don't care about much more than hurting Baylor competitively, but we have to have a higher standard than their petty and disingenuous interest in our failings other than how it affected out football program's ability to compete in the short term.

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You do realize we are talking about the whole university and not just football?

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Of course it was an institution wide problem that should not have happened but generally speaking athletic departments are the face of a university...what the masses see and know of the school. That school 90 miles south of campus has a massive problem with SA but it hasn't been tied to athletics, thus all you hear about the problems in Austin are crickets chirping.

Amen, Backtojack.

Go Bears!

Brian Ethridge said:

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I deleted the posts and banned the user for a bit

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Thank you, Brian Ethridge. I loved Baylorfans, but this is the type of moderation that was lacking there. I am all for giving people a lot of rope but not when it comes to accusatory posts regarding reputations and personal lives.

I partied a little and had friends that partied REAL hard. As young people do, they would talk about most anything exciting in their lives. I never saw what has been described here and nay friends never mentioned. Does not mean it did not exist. But I do not think it was that prevalent, then. Im no expert so I have no idea how it is now.

Brian Ethridge said:

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I deleted the posts and banned the user for a bit

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Just curious.

What does "for a bit" mean. Guy has lost posting privileges for a month or two? not permanent

Great post Backtojack. If we only had someone in the Baylor administration to so eloquently defend her as you have defended yourself...if only.

TacoBellmead is on my ignore list for a reason.

RioRata said:

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Great post Backtojack. If we only had someone in the Baylor administration to so eloquently defend her as you have defended yourself...if only.

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Great post +1/blue star/whatever

we need more BacktoJack on BaylorFans/sicem 365

great baylor fan, loyal at all times, wish we made more like him. Sicem forever

D. C. Bear said:

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Jack,
This site, which "merged" with Baylorfans.com (think bought out) is expected to be moderated at a higher level. In other words, there should be a lot less peeing in the pool (only real old school baylorfans.com posters will catch that reference). You might want to stick around and post some.

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So THAT explains why all those posts are turning blue...

Please go to the link and "report" the referenced comment.

Do not engage or post, unless just to relate your own positive experience.

But go to the linked page and click on "REPORT" by the comment by Taylor Baker. If enough report, maybe it will be removed

https://www.amazon.com/ss/customer-reviews/srp/-/R109AQSR0EPLQ3/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_paging_btm_3?pageNumber=3

lol I don't know if you have to post reviews with your personal name on amazon, but people who post things under their personal name on the internet sometimes blow my mind. That is a big TCU guy, probably around 25. We have 6 mutual friends on Facebook.

It's kind of funny seeing that he has three other reviews- one on a book by Briles, one on some kind of record player and one on an electric wine corkscrew.

BU84BEAR said:

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Please go to the link and "report" the referenced comment.

Do not engage or post, unless just to relate your own positive experience.

But go to the linked page and click on "REPORT" by the comment by Taylor Baker. If enough report, maybe it will be removed

https://www.amazon.com/ss/customer-reviews/srp/-/R109AQSR0EPLQ3/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_paging_btm_3?pageNumber=3

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Our work is done. It has been removed!!

Brian Ethridge said:

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Mr. Goodbear said:

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TacoBellmead is on my ignore list for a reason.

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And he's gone, for good. Read his posts and there was just trolling.

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Thanks Brian!

104.9 FM The Horn in Austin (Longhorn station) had Mark Schlabach on this morning, and co-hosts Erin Hogan and Bucky Godbolt were salivating as this has been their purpose in life for the last 2 years.

The co-hosts were constantly trying to get Mark to say nothing has changed and Baylor should be kicked out of the Big 12. Mark tried to keep up with their hatred, at one point saying about the NCAA's investigation of Baylor's drug testing policy ... "maybe that is the way they can get 'em". Openly rooting against Baylor.

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Texas lost to Kansas in football.

Smoak was upset that I disagreed with him about having Schlabach on his station. I don't think we should be giving this guy (Schlabach) an outlet to promote his book. Smoak thinks we need to hear both sides, but I see Schlabach just wanting to bash us and sell books.

LBKBEAR said:

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lol I don't know if you have to post reviews with your personal name on amazon, but people who post things under their personal name on the internet sometimes blow my mind. That is a big TCU guy, probably around 25. We have 6 mutual friends on Facebook.

It's kind of funny seeing that he has three other reviews- one on a book by Briles, one on some kind of record player and one on an electric wine corkscrew.

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TCU and Texas fans spend too much mental energy hating Baylor. That's why they are

Mr. Goodbear said:

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Smoak was upset that I disagreed with him about having Schlabach on his station. I don't think we should be giving this guy (Schlabach) an outlet to promote his book. Smoak thinks we need to hear both sides, but I see Schlabach just wanting to bash us and sell books.

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Smoaky is in an interesting position. While he is associated with Baylor through 1660 being the flagship station of Baylor sports, he's not a Baylor employee and has a degree of professional responsibility to maintain his independence.

I think he does a good job of covering Baylor, and I don't object to him interviewing someone who wrote a book about this whole fiasco, even though I'm not going to read the book.